May 19, 2016 by Mark de Los Angeles

Ethical egoism[edit]

Main article: Ethical egoism

Ethical egoism can be understood as a consequentialist theory according to which the consequences for the individual agent are taken to matter more than any other result. Thus, egoism will prescribe actions that may be beneficial, detrimental, or neutral to the welfare of others. Some, like Henry Sidgwick, argue that a certain degree of egoism promotes the general welfare of society for two reasons: because individuals know how to please themselves best, and because if everyone were an austere altruist then general welfare would inevitably decrease.[12]

    by Mark de Los Angeles in group mark — 2016-05-19 10:38:26 thought 20940
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    Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2016-05-23 16:16:56 [item 20940#52319]
    Mark de Los Angeles 2016-05-23 14:08:15 [item 20940#52314]
    & ….
    Seth 2016-05-23 15:55:46 [item 20940#52316]
    laughing … but i think the meme writer got the velocity wrong … it should be 299,792,458 miles/second.  
    ponderingMight depend on the length of the cock at the speed of light. laughing
    by Mark de Los Angeles in group mark — 2016-05-19 09:24:43 thought 20938
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    Seth 2016-05-19 09:29:04 [item 20938#52165]
    well on this we agree thumbs up laughing
    Seth 2016-05-21 16:20:53 [item 20938#52241]
    nathan 2016-05-21 15:58:47 [item 20938#52238]
    What map?
    some of the experiences in your being can be recognized as representations of that which happens outside of your being.   the former can be called the “map” and the latter, the “territory”.   of course if you do not acknowledge anything outside of your being, that conception would be  quite absurd. 
    Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2016-05-23 09:53:09 [item 20938#52298]
    Mark de Los Angeles 2016-05-22 09:45:00 [item 20938#52267]
    The advanced course might consider the phrase “the News is not New nor News” for contemplation. ponderingcool
    Seth 2016-05-23 04:46:01 [item 20938#52269]
    yeah it’s almost a corollary.
    nathan 2016-05-23 09:31:31 [item 20938#52297]
    I was just wondering where you are seeing a map in that picture! laughing
    See Korzybski one of the fathers of semantics. TR used the phrase in NLP courses. The picture has both a map of the weather patterns & a model showing the map. Other ways it is much like a play on words (maybe even fun).laughing
    May 18, 2016 by Mark de Los Angeles
    American hero says:


    Maybe the Democrat convention will bern over too! (as well as the Republican one) thumbs up

    by Mark de Los Angeles in group mark — 2016-04-08 07:00:41, changed 2016-05-18 08:31:37 thought 20767
    May 12, 2016 by Mark de Los Angeles
    You can believe & tell a story any way you like as long as there are no effects or consequences outside your perceptive domain or anyone else’s that you communicate with.  Any story will do. Dark Energy & Dark matter are currently prime cosmology trending examples. LOA could be another although it overlaps NLP & trance induction. A Universe  which only extends to the limits of your telescopes & the electro-magnetic spectrum & senses which is all your own is great. Once it touches others it seems to bounce back upon the originator’s senses & instruments; i.e. could run into contradictions – a good believer can whisk those away too!  Write good stories & become them. You already did!
    thumbs upponderingroseideacoolthumbs up
      by Mark de Los Angeles in group mark — 2016-05-12 13:09:11 thought 20920
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      Seth 2016-05-13 06:14:32 [item 20920#51985]
      Seth 2016-05-12 13:38:16 [item 20920#51978]
      The presumption in your first sentence that one can not (or is it should not?) tell a story that effects others outside of their “preceptive domain” contradicts my experience.  The stories we tell each other actually do effect each other, not just ourselves.   For example Trump’s story, still in the telling, is the most dramatic that comes to mind.  But on a smaller scale every person’s life that i even have known in depth has told me a story … which story has become part of the Kontext of my being.  The stories my be somewhat arbitrarily chosen by the particular individuals involved, …  the effect of those stories on each other is not arbitrary in the same sense … and is not a effect to be rationalized away.  Stories have a cause effect withing our Kontexts … withing our verses … and withing the universe that we share.
      Mark de Los Angeles 2016-05-12 13:42:33 [item 20920#51979]
      Backup – your first sentence is in error – that’s your presumption.  Basically I am saying that in isolation you can tell yourself anything you want. In connection you can do the same as long as it is outside the experience of another. laughing
      Seth 2016-05-12 13:54:44 [item 20920#51981]
      ok, fair enough … that works for me too.   it is however, interesting to note, that the effect of our stores on each other can happen whether the sories are told to ourselves in private or voiced publically … else our stories do not affect our feelings and actions which do effect each other.   are they really quite so arbritrallially associated to what actually happens as to be quite so irrelivant?
      Mark de Los Angeles 2016-05-12 14:09:31 [item 20920#51982]
      A prime contrary example is you do not know what another is thinking – specifically. So you can tell yourself or others any story about what I am thinking & as long as nobody else does you are home free to tell any story.  Politics is another prime example of that. 
      Seth 2016-05-12 14:32:17 [item 20920#51983]
      yep … no disagreement here …. lots of examples of a person telling themselves (and even others) any story and then believeing that story.   in a sense … and this may be new to you, i don’t know … for almost any story (which somewhat respects what is possible) there is a mind set (a Kontext) from  which that story can be understood as matching experience.  Woo Woo smug as they say!
      Mark de Los Angeles 2016-05-12 14:39:14 [item 20920#51984]
      Yep, in the vernacular “there is a sucker born every minute” . laughing
      that actually was not my take-away conclusion from my thought.  rather my thought tells of the nature of the relationsip between thought and what happens.  it goes to exemplify that what happens undertermines that which can be thought about it … see "All stories obtain”.  in other words there is no 1-to-1 match between thought and what happens … there can never be … that is not the nature of this spirit. 

      you went right to judging the story, presuming that the story should  ideally match what happens 1-1.   try giving up that presumption and notice how your attitude toward thinking changes.   me, i like “better and better” as the matching relationship of {thinking ← → happens}.  but  what determines the better and better … better in relationship to what? ← i believe that is always subjective … iow, reading from the tetrahedron model,  the match is inside  the tetrahedron – not outside it … though we can put it outside when we learn to share spirit in common. 
      Seth 2016-05-13 06:41:59 [item 20920#51990]
      that can be said differently.   what i think should excite and create what i do.   that is different relationship between thiking and what happens than the traditional relationship that you perhaps judge it shoul be ← namely that thinking should represent what happens on a 1 to 1 basis.
      Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2016-05-13 07:22:51 [item 20920#51991]
      For clarity, I would prefer that “what happens” morph into “what I do & what someone else does” –→ having a personal relationship to your body, life & what you do sounds more engaged than “what happens” or “shit happens”.   Second of all I am beginning to hate the use of arrows for p;unctuation ← ? → ♦⇔►
      You might also consider wisdom versus thought. 
      It is probably N that thinks there is a 1-1 correspondence between thought (more likely feelings) & events, deeds etc. Happen sounds passive; like being a victim of life rather than actively determining the course of one’s life dynamically correcting as needed or surprised by your results. Bio & story is what you make of it.  A sucker is born every minute was my comment to wise-up people who believe that stories are true & totally related to that which IS!
      I might appreciate your point of view more with less abstract words if you got to the point more quickly as to what you want to say.
      Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2016-05-13 07:25:16 [item 20920#51992]

      happen (v.) Look up happen at
      late 14c., happenen, "to come to pass, occur, come about, be the case," literally "occur by hap, have the (good or bad) fortune (to do, be, etc.);" extension (with verb-formative -n) of the more common hap (v.). Old English used gelimpan, gesceon, and Middle English also had befall. In Middle English fel it hap meant "it happened." Related: Happened; happening. Phrase happens to be as an assertive way to say "is" is from 1707.
      nathan 2016-05-23 09:29:52 [item 20920#52296]
      nathan 2016-05-21 16:00:44 [item 20920#52239]
      Write good stories and become (or live) them?

      Okay, sounds good to me. Done!   
      May 8, 2016 by Mark de Los Angeles
      Out of my morning silence came a thought about politics & principles. Most people don’t like them as if they had them they would feel sheepish about the shit they say in public.  In a way principles are the context within which politics could evolve which enhance human lives, but …..
      One context I am fond of is threefoldness , but …
      I suffered the top down nature of corporate slavery, military, secret societies, cults & governments, famalies etc. Is there a way to have the great hoi polloi appreciate what it is & upend the pyramid? .. so that the top never loses contect with the bottom – note a pyramid scheme (ponzi) requires those at the top to profit & leave the rest to getting to the top for their rewards against the overwhelming sisyphis effect & mathematical impossibilities. See also this cartoon.
      LEC(97) had a powerful process where in the daily experience of the members of the organization were sifted to a few per group & the groups sifted into stake-holders & so forth … eventually a 2000+ conference discovered the operating principles within which the organization could transform from a personality-centered to a principle centered one which satisfied all of the challenges of the top down personality one. More later.
      by Mark de Los Angeles in group mark — 2016-04-15 07:54:49, changed 2016-05-08 09:25:54 thought 20807
      May 7, 2016 by Mark de Los Angeles
      thumbs uplaughingthumbs down (emotey for stand up or sit down)
      Important shit for a governor to ponder while the bully justice department forces him to change the law
        by Mark de Los Angeles in group mark — 2016-05-07 08:46:46 thought 20903
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        Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2016-05-11 06:18:27 [item 20903#51948]
        The memes continue: Thin Privilege, Fat Discrimination eh? Maybe we need bigger stalls for those whose asses are too big for the toilet seats.
        Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2016-05-22 10:54:13 [item 20903#52268]
        I like this cover presumably on topic with Trump & Hillary 
        laughingthumbs up
        May 7, 2016 by Mark de Los Angeles
             DEBT is the new slavery.  The Greeks were conquered by the Romans and became slaves of the Romans. Perhaps they were less inclined to fight than to think & had a great influence on the Romans even as slaves.  You can read all about the history of slavery in the World in Wikipedia. What I am discovering is that what used to be Debt bondage is what we are rebuilding today with a national debt growing exponentially each month.
        source: ... Debt bondage (or bonded labor) is an involuntary arrangement whereby a person is forced to pay off a loan with direct labor in place of currency, over an agreed or obscure period of time. When the debtor is then tricked or trapped into working for very little or no pay, or when the value of their work is significantly greater than the original sum of money borrowed, some consider the arrangement to be a form of unfree labour or debt slavery. It is similar to peonage, indenture or the truck system
        ...  In 2009 we work until April 13 to pay off our taxes. What you might look at in the reference is that tax freedom day around the world shows socialist countries like Sweden & Norway have tax freedom day in July or ~56% of the year pays for government.
        You would think that Obama, the president, who is sensitive to slavery of the past might be sensitive to what he & Congress are creating in the way of slavery for generations of Americans, but they are not! Is Obama intentionally creating a kind of reverse slavery where those who are rich now have to work for those who are on the lower end of the economy? Maybe so! & so & so & ... appointments of "czars" who have more allegiance to the Alinsky's Rules for Radicals than the U.S. Constitution or some of the founding documents.  One of the latest appointments is Mark Lloyd, potentially the media diversity czar will help him silence his critics like Rush & Glenn under the euphemism of diversity. You may not like the sources or my conclusions, but with special advisers who do not pass confirmation in the Senate, many with less than main stream values, many not examined by the M$M, you may rightly wonder if we are not actually being sold into slavery for Obama's dreams of a socialist Utopia.
        by Mark de Los Angeles in group mark — 2009-08-29 09:12:39, changed 2016-05-07 06:52:54 thought 12480
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        Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2009-08-29 09:30:13 [item 12480#20488]
        SO....Fuck ALL Y'ALL!  for the terrible mess & the slavery to debt that you assholes are creating!

        Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2009-08-30 05:51:49 [item 12480#20491]
        Some are waking up! 57% would replace entire Congress!
        Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2009-09-01 14:23:26 [item 12480#20487]
        Here's a bumper-sticker with the right sentiment:
        Mark de Los Angeles of group mark 2016-05-07 07:11:09 [item 12480#51854]
        Mark de Los Angeles 2016-05-07 06:59:07 [item 12480#51853]
        Is there a search corporate slavery syntax?
        While corporate hating is the cause de jure of the leftists, Sandersites & Hillaryites of today, it is nothing new. The Bolsheviks at the beginning of the last century went for a one party system 

        The Bolsheviks, founded by Vladimir Lenin and Alexander Bogdanov, were by 1905 a major organization consisting primarily of workers under a democratic internal hierarchy governed by the principle of democratic centralism, who considered themselves the leaders of the revolutionary working class of Russia. 

        Going in that direction would loose the lessons of history in a very ugly way.
        search threefoldness for better clues – vocation directed by individuals in a synergy which is dynamic & balanced by the people who produce the goods & services independent of government, etc.