August 29, 2016 by Navigator
Over the clover.
SeriTD and facilitating your changes to your reality 🖖
    by Navigator in group test — 2016-08-29 19:16:48 thought 21434
    1 comment thread
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 19:17:00 [item 21434#58102]
    How to do that today?
    August 29, 2016 by Seth
    Seth says ...
    Don’t you get some feelings about the thoughts that you think?  Do not some feel better than others?
    by Seth in group seth — 2016-08-29 12:29:27 thought 21431
    no comments
    by Mark de LA in group unhackthebrain — 2016-08-29 07:49:23 thought 21429
    13 comment threads
    Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-29 07:52:37 [item 21429#58012]
    Deregulation would be more open society than the opposite.  Maybe blackball those who collude to deprive.null
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 11:57:05 [item 21429#58054]
    I haven’t heard Trumps take on the internet, but in general, Trump seems to be for more regulation … i.e. protection. What is your idea about Trumps take on this?
    Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-29 12:02:41 [item 21429#58056]
    IDK – I disagree that he is pro regulation – just the opposite!  He is a business man which is usually anti-regulation & free trade.  Liberals are the people who want to regulate.  Obama initiated literally tons of regulations in the last 7.x years.
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 13:30:04 [item 21429#58072]
    Well, he wants to regulate immigration, both from Mexico, and from Arabic countries, right?

    And he says things like “In this race for the White House, I am the law and order candidate,”.

    source http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-team-releases-excerpts-republican-national-convention-speech/story?id=40782502 

    Law and order implies rules and regulations does it not?

    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 13:40:39 [item 21429#58073]
    Also remember, J. P. Morgan was one of the major players in preventing Tesla’s free energy and other amazing devices from going into public production. He was also one of the strongest instigator’s of keeping us all in the energy-power-resource “dark ages” for the last 100 years with his policies and influences upon education and science at the college level. And even though he avidly used LOA himself, he set up policies that greatly slowed it’s dissemination to the masses. He did all this because these advances were “bad for business” and also because he believed that the country should be ruled by the elite and knowledgeable … the “class of reason and order”.

    Sound like anyone you know of?
    Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-29 13:44:01 [item 21429#58074]
    Law & order means enforcing the laws that are already on the books or get them repealed by the U.S. Congress. The failure of Obamacare points to the latter.  The president swears to uphold & defend the constitution (meaning the laws of the land). 
    Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-29 13:46:06 [item 21429#58075]
    Nope – shove innuendo up the dark ages orifices you speak of. null tag threefoldness would never evolve to such a thingy. 
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 13:46:53 [item 21429#58076]
    … and if you had an agenda and a vested interest in laws and regulations supporting “good business for you”, and “putting your chosen crowd of people into power”, what would you say to the public? What would get them to elect you?
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 13:50:19 [item 21429#58077]
    I really don’t know what that means. You don’t talk about threefoldness details in our discussions, you only point to it when you want to bash the things I say. Why don’t you bring it out and authentically discuss it in the contexts we are exploring? How does it work here in this context? What mechanisms underlie it in this context? And what process would it bring to the table to improve things?
    Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-29 14:03:46 [item 21429#58078]
    I don’t respond to cunts that accuse me of bashing – use other words if you want to attract a real answer.  I have written about tag threefolding for the last 10 years or more here.  Maybe talk to Seth or channel RS.  BTW, RS wrote lots about the threefold social organism.  One of the things he did not write about was the institutions which might implement. His was about the principles & spiritual being at the core of it all – evolutionary.
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 14:07:03 [item 21429#58079]
    Okay cool. With more than 10 years experience with it you must have a solid grasp of it. If you work it’s concepts into our dialogs in the way that feels most intuitive to you at the moment, then things like the institutions which threefoldness might implement, will start flowing through your fingers and your words. You will become a path for that to come in … and personally I would find that quite interesting!  
    Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-29 14:21:15 [item 21429#58080]
    I have spoken a lot on making the economic part independent of government so that it flows like the blood system of the human body. I suspect that would be the greatest gene of a new DNA for the body social. I suspect something like a more universal bitcoin/block chain to handle value exchanges between smaller parts of the body is a step. Something that can’t be ruined by crony governments. We are not speaking of a party platform that pretends to have all the answers for winning one election.  I still suggest reading what you can glean of stuff I already wrote. 
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    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 14:27:57 [item 21429#58081]
    Okay, I can lean in that direction of understanding. Thank you.

    I do read lots of your stuff when I come across it. I don’t have time or desire to just go out reading all your stuff like it was a book.

    But if you start talking in the concepts that you admire and desire, like I talk in the ones I do, then I will quickly catch up. Nearly everything we talk about here at FBI should be able to have a voice in the threefoldness model. You can be the voice since this model is at the for front of your awareness and desire.  
    August 28, 2016 by Seth
    Mostly destined to become applesauce

    yielded quart and a pint of pure unadulterated applesauce and i have a few apples left over.   i will see if denise wants it spiced or sweetened or mixed with another fruit … is it a dessert? … or a side dish?
    by Seth in group poolefarm — 2016-08-28 17:36:31 thought 21427
    2 comment threads
    Seth 2016-08-28 17:37:54 [item 21427#57970]
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-28 19:03:31 [item 21427#57974]
    by Mark de LA in group mark — 2016-08-28 14:00:49 thought 21426
    3 comment threads
    Seth 2016-08-28 14:06:04 [item 21426#57967]
    Seth 2016-08-28 14:13:52 [item 21426#57968]
    nullnull OMG … the world i live in null
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 04:53:38 [item 21426#58002]
    August 28, 2016 by Seth

    Hot and amazing !

    Got this from the Harvest Mayhem …

    Thanks Scott !!!


    shared on fb here


    Sriracha_sauce … “made from a paste of chili peppers, distilled vinegar, garlic, sugar, and salt.[1]”
    by Seth in group seth — 2016-08-28 12:55:48 thought 21425
    8 comment threads
    Seth 2016-08-28 12:57:32 [item 21425#57962]
    Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-28 13:45:30 [item 21425#57964]
    Seth 2016-08-28 13:42:51 [item 21425#57965]
    nullnull OMG … the world i live in null


    Halibut swimming in blueberry sauce with baby potatoes and snap peas

    thumbs upnull

    normally i would not have posted it … but since you started it … 
    Seth 2016-08-28 14:21:58 [item 21425#57969]
    Sriracha_sauce on bread …

    simple

    effective

    hot
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 05:34:53 [item 21425#58004]
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 05:38:10 [item 21425#58005]
    Sriracha is my favorite “spicy”.  

    Though it is typically very concentrated with just tiny dots being enough. That much on the bread in the picture would probably kill an elephant! Must be mild sriracha.
    Seth 2016-08-29 08:29:33 [item 21425#58019]
    yeah this is not concentrated, just naturally fermented … but it is quite hot enough for the likes of me.
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 09:46:32 [item 21425#58035]
    by Seth in group seth — 2016-08-28 11:43:09 thought 21424
    1 comment thread
    Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-29 10:34:30 [item 21424#58003]
    Yes you can (perhaps). 

    http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/herbs/saffron/growing-saffron-crocus.htm 
     
    SeriTD and facilitating your changes to your reality 🖖
    August 28, 2016 by Mark de LA
    Today’s electronic media gives swing to politics influenced by crony speech – speech which is electronically blocked, megaphoned & lies propagated so that one point-of-view is the main narrative over another. Ugggg!
    http://tinyurl.com/j325jqy is just an quick example – e pluribus unum
    null


    Here’s hoping the ship of state rights itself someday.
      by Mark de LA in group unhackthebrain — 2016-08-28 10:01:38, changed 2016-08-28 11:09:31 thought 21423
      August 27, 2016 by Holmes
      For to judge is to create a KLUDGE.
        by Holmes in group test — 2016-08-27 20:34:02 thought 21421
        1 comment thread
        Holmes of group da 2016-08-28 05:31:22 [item 21421#57915]
        Things go better with coke.
        August 27, 2016 by Seth
        Seth says ...
        no beliefs and no expecting may well be a blissful state of being … is it being conscious?

        … i rather think not. 
        by Seth in group seth — 2016-08-27 13:43:24 thought 21420
        August 27, 2016 by Seth


        Re:  "WE EACH OF US HAVE AN INSIDE AND AN OUTSIDE ... ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!"

        there is a gestalt in relationship between this and that

        ... and a person being viewed as:
        • the manifold of their behavior from the outside (public) view.
        • the manifold of their experience from the inside (private) view
        I don’t want to loose this gestalt ... but have not been able yet to  represent it in language.

        "inside" is here defined as that which is private, only accessible inside a  single individual .... and "outside" is that which is public, accessible by all even outside that individual. 

        ...

        (1) are feelings the only things that are exclusively inside, or private?

        (2) can thoughts be either private or public?  A private thought becomes public when it is successflly communicated .... a public thought becomes private when it is understood.

        (3) Actions are exclusively outside, they are always public.  (Else we do not call them actions or deeds.  Note this is strickly definitional here - behavioral psychology defines all experience as behavior - but i break experienc down to tht which can possibly directly effect the outside world, and that which cannot)

        ---

        I think this gestalt might have been seeing  "all the instances of the 6 kinds of changes with them starting, inside or outside me" as a manifold of me.  I won’t be sure if it was more than that unless i am able to re-enact it.  This item has been an exercise in providig the the context in which the wallaby emerged.

         
        by Seth in group seth — 2015-08-27 08:37:53, changed 2016-08-27 11:37:54 thought 18736
        August 27, 2016 by Mark de LA
        What kind of mental space surrounds religion, faith & LOA?
        I say most of it looks like superstition. Proof in the classic sense or the scientific method ends up in the acolyte pool of “It doesn’t work that way!”.  Try whatever it is & it works (for me!). 
        I say if it is of this Cosmos – proof must be out there somewhere. Of course if you have your own independent universe or cosmos then you can always evade the call for proof. 
        nullnullnull

        Coincidence versus cause/effect confuses some & employs others as statistitians.
                                                                                                                                  null – M.R. 

        by Mark de LA in group law of attraction — 2016-08-21 09:55:33, changed 2016-08-27 10:32:56 thought 21367
        August 27, 2016 by Seth
        Seth says ...
        i have thought for some time now that there should be only one menu of gadgets on each comment … not one at the top and some at the bottom and the edit pen even outside it.   i think that would simplify and deconfuse the comment system dramatically and eliminate lots of errant clicks.

        and a hidden menue is an absurbity and very hard to learn that it is there.  one has to be told like i was.
          by Seth in group fbi — 2016-08-27 09:15:34 thought 21417
          August 27, 2016 by Navigator
          Seth says ...
          its more of a mathmatical thought than anything else.   Stems from my study of mentography.  Notice that a subject with no arrows from it, of to it, essentially does not exist within the system.  It is useless.  it means nothing.  there is nothing about it, nor is it about anything else.  

          Also whatever we can say about that unrelated subject in a mental space, we could say about a similarly unrelated thing in 4 space. 

          GW’s “every particle has consciousness” flys directly in the face of my assertion.
          by Navigator in group fork masters — 2016-08-27 09:04:23 thought 21416
          August 26, 2016 by Navigator
          Navigator says ...
          I will not be bullied by you @mark. Your father tried the same exact bullying shit with me you do, on his death bed, and I looked him in the eye and said “no, fuck you” when he was pulling this exact same shit. After he realized I was not going to back down, he softened and respected me for it for the rest of our time together.

          Thing is, you don’t have his smarts, because you are still living in his shadow, doing the same shit he did, but not owning it like he did. It doesn’t matter what your age is, you still have not learned to be your own man and be responsible for, and live out, your own actions … you only copy the actions of others.
          See thought 21397 for how to live your own authentic life.
            by Navigator in group nathan — 2016-08-26 21:10:01 thought 21415
            by Mark de LA in group fork masterbaters — 2016-08-26 14:38:20, changed 2016-08-26 17:48:55 thought 21414
            15 comment threads
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 15:06:26 [item 21414#57754]
            Well, thanks for clarifying who gets the Fo Hammer title. I wasn’t sure … I just saw a bunch of things go away from the news when I pulled it up. Glad you are owning up to it.  
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 19:19:48 [item 21414#57761]
            Well, thanks for clarifying who gets the Fo Hammer title. I wasn’t sure … I just saw a bunch of things go away from the news when I pulled it up. Glad you are owning up to it.  
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 19:54:11 [item 21414#57762]
            Well, thanks for clarifying who gets the Fo Hammer title. I wasn’t sure … I just saw a bunch of things go away from the news when I pulled it up. Glad you are owning up to it.  
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 19:56:12 [item 21414#57763]
            Well, thanks for clarifying who gets the Fo Hammer title. I wasn’t sure … I just saw a bunch of things go away from the news when I pulled it up. Glad you are owning up to it.  
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 19:58:22 [item 21414#57764]
            Well, thanks for clarifying who gets the Fo Hammer title. I wasn’t sure … I just saw a bunch of things go away from the news when I pulled it up. Glad you are owning up to it.  
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 19:59:15 [item 21414#57765]
            Well, thanks for clarifying who gets the Fo Hammer title. I wasn’t sure … I just saw a bunch of things go away from the news when I pulled it up. Glad you are owning up to it.  
            Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-26 20:39:56 [item 21414#57766]
            Beware of shit-assed bullies like the Navigator. thumbs down See video for further explanation;
            https://youtu.be/tcm4hq_vUOo?t=105 null
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 19:59:56 [item 21414#57767]
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 20:11:52 [item 21414#57768]
            Yes. Be-like, be-loved, and be-have like us too, don’t just wear our clothes.  

            If you are going to copy my techniques … go fully in … don’t just scrape the surface. Get the most out of it. Find out all there is to discover.  
            Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-26 20:43:48 [item 21414#57773]
             
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 20:45:21 [item 21414#57774]
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 20:45:26 [item 21414#57775]
            Yes. Be-like, be-loved, and be-have like us too, don’t just wear our clothes.  

            If you are going to copy my techniques … go fully in … don’t just scrape the surface. Get the most out of it. Find out all there is to discover.  
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 20:47:10 [item 21414#57776]
            Yes. Be-like, be-loved, and be-have like us too, don’t just wear our clothes.  

            If you are going to copy my techniques … go fully in … don’t just scrape the surface. Get the most out of it. Find out all there is to discover.  
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 21:12:32 [item 21414#57777]
            I will not be bullied by you @mark. Your father tried the same exact bullying shit with me you do, on his death bed, and I looked him in the eye and said “no, fuck you” when he was pulling this exact same shit. After he realized I was not going to back down, he softened and respected me for it for the rest of our time together.

            Thing is, you don’t have his smarts, because you are still living in his shadow, doing the same shit he did, but not owning it like he did. It doesn’t matter what your age is, you still have not learned to be your own man and be responsible for, and live out, your own actions … you only copy the actions of others.
            Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-26 21:10:01 [item 21414#57778]
            Conversation forked to thought 21415
            August 26, 2016 by Mark de LA
            Photonull Thanks Isaac Calder G+
              by Mark de LA in group fork masterbaters — 2016-08-21 20:05:33, changed 2016-08-26 14:38:51 thought 21379
              21 comment threads
              Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-21 17:23:33 [item 21379#57252]
              http://www.dictionary.com/browse/superstition?s=t 
              I like the distinctions cognitive dissonance and cognitive assonance for unmunging or munging peoples realities as well. 
              Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-21 20:06:31 [item 21379#57268]
              new thought comment – got invalid thought id before.
              Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-21 20:11:50 [item 21379#57269]
              This is confusing.  I can’t figure out where this came from. Apparently a move is a move & doesn’t leave anything behind. 
              Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-21 20:11:58 [item 21379#57270]
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-21 20:13:08 [item 21379#57271]
              Hummm. Could you explain that? The comment could only have been created by using the “add new comment” button, or now, also by pasting it to the thought from somewhere else.
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-21 20:21:25 [item 21379#57272]
              It would be more helpful if you moved the depreciated comments over here from that location than ones, like the one above, that were accepted … just saying.  

              It is your comment and if you want to move or delete it that is your business … but that particular one was accepted, a bunch of other ones near it were depreciated as off topic.
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-22 05:34:37 [item 21379#57275]
              Cognitive assonance is a nice term. I like it. See thought 21343

              When you mix it in the same sentence with the word munge, it creates literal dissonance … lack of harmony … mismatching. It’s like you talk about something good, then because you have doubt about the stability of goodness in your experience, you mismatch it. Just saying.
              Seth 2016-08-22 07:20:38 [item 21379#57282]
              me i have to translate mark’s words to digest them.  One such translation is  “mung” = “combine” + “Mark’s special aug”.   I think mostly his aug is … and this is just my story of it, so don’t be surprised it don’t ring true over there  … but anyway the story goes that his special aug is a kind of vertigo when he encounters a factoring of signs that is different from what he is acustomed to.    he usually says something pretty pointed, but he tells you that in a way that says, don’t  make me fall way down that scary hole.
               
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-22 06:59:45 [item 21379#57283]
              I could do that too … and that is what I do with most people.

              If I did that, the fact would remain that Mark cancels out nearly all the good ideas and thoughts he has with mismatching, either directly at the time of saying it, or later with lots of mismatching commentary.

              It’s not just his world that is getting cancelled and made “meh”, when I am in rapport enough with Mark to digest his stuff, it ends up being my world that is diluted too. So the choice being, leave his world and stay out of rapport, in thought (like you do) or literally, or ask for something better … I am asking for something better.
              Seth 2016-08-22 07:02:41 [item 21379#57284]
              well yes the aug does rubb off.
              Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-22 07:35:38 [item 21379#57287]
              Move is different from copy/paste in ordinary DOS. A fork used to be a copy/paste leaving behind residue of the fact of the fork. Move now does not & is designed that way isn’t it?  Such leaves the possibility of mischief afoot – especially with your pink deletes. Moving context around while also moving comments around is a nice control mechanism for those who like to control things. 
              If you continue to talk “about” me in my group I may need to shift  group settings to something else. Talking “to me” & “about me” are distinct. The latter is still gossip even though I can read it.
              Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-22 07:39:05 [item 21379#57289]
              for me aug is the the standard abbreviation for August. 
              Seth 2016-08-22 07:45:27 [item 21379#57290]
              i do believe that i have diligently defined my use of the word “aug” in the tag room, tag aug … and specifically in "aug".

              ask yourself how mathematics would have developed had defining new terms was not allowed. 
              Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-22 07:44:21 [item 21379#57292]
              maybe so null
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-22 10:21:48 [item 21379#57311]
              Humm … a move is a move, go figure!  
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-22 10:26:22 [item 21379#57312]
              Fork is still there. A fork is a fork and does what forks do, i.e. makes a copy of the old for continuation elsewhere. In addition, our forks put an automatic pointer reference to the new fork and an about reference back to the original.

              Perhaps the terminology is a bit out of sync with the norm for a move. I will consult the ruins on it.
              Mark de LA of group mark 2016-08-22 10:28:39 [item 21379#57315]
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-22 10:34:37 [item 21379#57316]
              For now the wording is changed to “move clipboard content here”. In the future, when there may be a copy available as well, then the wording might change.

              I say “may” because a copy might not really be needed in this context. I am having trouble thinking of a time when it is all that useful to copy a comment without just forking it which does a better job of what is actually needed in this context.

              A copy may be useful in another context, which could be to copy a whole thought and/or it’s comments. We’ll see … more to watch how people use what is there before SeriTD can grock the next.  
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-22 10:39:58 [item 21379#57317]
              p.s. @seth and @mark,

              Now there there is a clipboard, you can also use it as a second way to keep track of a spot for temporary reference.

              Just put anything you can on the clipboard and then use the clipboard icon in the navigation bar to get back to it.  
              Seth 2016-08-22 10:47:59 [item 21379#57318]
              Navigator of group nathan 2016-08-22 10:57:51 [item 21379#57321]
              See the comment: link there in blue? Just click on it and go to it. Your simply using the clipboard as a way to get to something.