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June 22, 2012 by Mark de LA

   
Is it just partisanship which hunts for answers to why a government sanctioned (DHS, ATF, DOJ or ?) gun running operation gone bad, with hundreds of Mexicans & a USA border control agent killed, was conducted in the United States without anyone being responsible ? Is it not the Congressional oversight function of government that should be able to compel answers be found, in a timely manner? If such an operation can be conducted with nobody responsible, is that not a giant fucking clue that this government has gotten so out of touch with reality & is way out of control such that it needs to be pared down to such a size that it can be managed by the people & for the people & not just for few who are privileged & exempt from the rule of laws they make for others?
    
It is TIME to FLUSH the TOILET of THIS GOVERNMENT!
  1. fast and furious
by Mark de LA in group mark — 2012-06-22 07:28:00, changed 2012-06-22 07:36:40 thought 16061
12 comment threads
Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25521]
M 2012-06-22 07:53:25 item 16061
Sometimes this government is more transparent than it thinks !
i.e. the TOILET IS FULL!
Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25519]
M 2012-06-22 09:24:30 item 16061
I sometimes liken the legal system as similar to a baseball game.  If you can run fast enough you can get to first base & then you are safe.  If the pitcher or catcher is not alert, you can steal second. If someone on your team just dribbles the ball with a bunt you can again run real fast to third. And, then if another team mate hits a big whopper high enough & far enough & even the opposing team catches it for an out you can still run home & score! For some it's just a game, eh?


Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25523]
seth 2012-06-22 18:58:38 item 16061
M 2012-06-22 17:45:58 item 16061
seth 2012-06-22 16:59:03 item 16061
Jon Stewart is on my list of don't waste my eyeballs on.

too bad ... this time he was on your side
Not really I caught a little on facebook before my stomach began to turn from the dripping sarcasm & I quit. You can say one thing with your mouth & another thing with your tonality. Bush's claims of executive privilege & Obama's are different cases.  Obama's is closer to Nixon's. The libs are trying to merge them of course to muddy the distinction & justify getting away with pretending nobody was responsible for the fast & furious botched up operation. It's time to hold the president in contempt until he names the responsible party for the operation. The buck stops on the desk in the oval office.
Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25529]
seth 2012-06-24 09:49:35 item 16061
Well it does seem to me that if Holder's involvement was innocent and minimal that there would be a way to "come clean" about it and still not compromise current operatives.  That he does not looks bad.  That Obama does not take that tack but hides behind executive privilege looks bad too.  I'm glad that Jon Steward did not give him a pass.  I expect Republicans are gloating anxious to pounce ... just part of the partisan tribalism that pervades Washington.  Have fun with it bro ... your attitudes deserve it.
Let me know when the taste of the Kool-Aid begins to just be sour, bro!

Current government transparency is for shit!
Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25528]
I added this to Facebook but it should be repeated here:
source: ... Here is a facinating precedent for things going on in the white house & other parts of the government that nobody seems to be aware of or responsible for until something is botched up & the M$M notices. Transparency & We The People suffer & it gets buried till people forget it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_FBI_files_controversy
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& the beat goes on..... btw, we still don't know for sure who did it

Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25530]
So far we have an unsolved murder of a border patrol agent with someone in the executive branch being an accomplice by authorizing or providing, channeling the murder weapon to the perp. I'm fairly certain nobody in the Congress of Judiciary was responsible. That only leaves the executive branch & Obama is its head.  It is not partisan to be offended that so far the investigation has not found the culprit after 1 year 6 months & 10 days (558 days ago).

Seth 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25545]
M 2012-06-25 13:19:15 item 16061
Another absurdity surfaces today:

The move means that even if local police step up immigration checks, they'll have to rely on federal officials to make the arrests.

But federal officials made clear that ICE would be selective in responding to the expected increase in calls from Arizona and other police agencies about immigration status. Officials said ICE will not respond to the scene unless the person in question meets certain criteria -- such as being wanted for a felony.

Even as Brewer sounded an optimistic note Monday, all these factors led some GOP officials to question the future of state-led efforts to tackle illegal immigration.

"We've lost the ability for states to take problems that they themselves are facing and do something about it," said Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, who represents one of several states that implemented their own Arizona-style law.

... Apparently the country has forgotten state's rights & refuses to enforce the law; furthermore burdening border states with the burden of illegal immigration to the education & law enforcement & health care systems.
Fuck it all!
Let's all just decide which laws we like & don't like & not follow the ones we don't like & see how far the rule of law goes, eh?



Well the Supreme Court of The United states has ruled today ...
source: in ARIZONA ET AL. v. UNITED STATES that:

The Supremacy Clause gives Congress the power to preempt state law. A statute may contain an express preemption provision […] but state law must also give way to federal law in at least two other circumstances. First, States are precluded from regulating conduct in a field that Congress has determined must be regulated by its exclusive governance.
... so in this case the Federal law IS the law that must be enforced.  You can like it or not, but to claim the country has refused to enforce the law is to deny the Constitutional process that has taken place.


Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25544]
seth 2012-06-25 15:10:39 item 16061
M 2012-06-25 14:54:37 item 16061
DUDE! Obama recently decided not to enforce the immigration law on certain illegal aliens - did you miss that newsfront?

nope, didn't miss it, nor is the foxnews article you quoted above about it .

In any case the allegation that Obama's choice of priorities are against the law is something that can be tested in a court of law ...  sans that ruling he is just doing his job ... the job which he was elected to do ... notwithstanding the Republican parties efforts to obstruct.
Yep, selectively enforcing the law to PANDER for votes? Like selectively exempting unions & contributors from the mandatory parts of Obamacare to PANDER for votes, etc. 

Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25556]
seth 2012-06-27 16:55:41 item 16061
Things are not always what you right-wing blogs are telling you ...
source: Fortune Magazine

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.
... not sure what to believe yet ... eh?

If it was all unintentional then nothing explains why Holder submitted two reports that had to be rescinded because there were innacuracies (lies) in them.  Also nothing explains why Holder has stonewalled for so long & why we still don't know who was responsible. It is still 560 days & counting & the administration has not answered that question. There is an old saying that a fish rots from the head first.

Seth 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25562]
Justice Department won’t prosecute Attorney General Holder for contempt of Congress.  In other words Holder has as much contempt for the partisan conrtrolled House of Representatives as that august body has for him.  Way to go ... fight contempt with contempt !
Seth 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#25555]
M 2012-06-27 19:55:21 item 16061
seth 2012-06-27 16:55:41 item 16061
Things are not always what you right-wing blogs are telling you ...
source: Fortune Magazine

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.
... not sure what to believe yet ... eh?

If it was all unintentional then nothing explains why Holder submitted two reports that had to be rescinded because there were innacuracies (lies) in them.  Also nothing explains why Holder has stonewalled for so long & why we still don't know who was responsible. It is still 560 days & counting & the administration has not answered that question. There is an old saying that a fish rots from the head first.

to be honest with you i don't have the time to filter the partisan noise from the actual signal ... sorry.
Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 16061#29363]
I guess the government is afraid of people who have the power to resist. Fast & furious debacle was not enough. It appears the ATF has brought it back within the United States:
Source: ... The nature of these complex investigations is weighed against the need to increase public safety in a community. Many ATF agents place themselves in vulnerable circumstances with high probability for imminent  danger from violent criminals in these long-term investigations. But the men and women of ATF do this willingly to rid communities of these criminals," the statement said. "The purpose of a long-term undercover operation is to specifically target a criminal element, street gang or an organization that is bringing violence to a community. ... This mechanism is necessary to rid the area of a large volume of individuals opposed to just a handful of individuals." 

According to the newspaper report, ATF agents also befriended mentally disabled people to spread the word about the gun buyback programs and manipulate them to help during stings. 

"In Wichita, Kan., ATF agents referred to a man with a low IQ as 'slow-headed' before deciding to secretly use him as a key cog in their sting," the paper reported. "Agents in Albuquerque, N.M., gave a brain-damaged drug addict with little knowledge of weapons a 'tutorial' on machine guns, hoping he could find them one." Other questionable activity was reported in Atlanta, Ga.

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ETC.
December 8, 2011 by Mark de LA
We all remember Bill Clinton parsing the meaning of the word "IS".  Here is Eric Holder's moment (see the about link).  Below is more on the recent emails released by the DOJ in last week's document dump on the "Fast & Furious" debacle where one of our border control agents was shot & killed with the guns that were let across the border. Apparently someone (who?) wants to argue against guns again & make stricter legislation so that law abiding people lose more of their rights to possess guns. Apparently you are only lying if in your mind you intend to lie. 
CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7391019n&tag=mncol;lst;1
  1. fast and furious
by Mark de LA in group mark — 2011-12-08 15:36:07 thought 15691
4 comment threads
Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 15691#23942]
Hmnmnm... maybe he prematurely sent a memo to Congress before he found a better truth.
Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 15691#24005]
As the race card is played more & more often with this administration it begins to be like the man that cried "wolf". Nobody will give a shit anymore - even when it might be legitimate. It's a good thing in view of my item 714.  Maybe in reality there is no excuse for Holder not coming clean & disclosing his part & others' in the fast & furious disaster. When you can't argue the merits of your case argue the legitimacy of the evidence or the party that presented it - as every lawyer knows.

Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 15691#24898]
... Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent months investigating Bush & Cheney to no avail even after they knew Richard Armitage was the one responsible for the leak; finally hanging Libby out to dry for lying - the only thing they could get anyone on. Why can't we get to the bottom of this scandal?
Source: ...

Border Patrol agents, who have since been issued gag orders, were overheard at Terry’s funeral discussing the third gun.

“The idea that the border patrol agents were issued gag orders and not allowed to talk about this is very telling,” Pavlich said in an interview with the Free Beacon.

An email sent less than 12 hours after Terry’s death also mentioned the weapon.

Finally, an audio recording of a discussion between Andre Howard, owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company, and ATF agent Hope MacAllister also references a third gun.

The investigation of Fast and Furious revealed that at least six FBI informants were involved in the operation, as well as an unknown number of DEA informants. Pavlich claims in her book that a confidential source told her the FBI hid the third gun from evidence because it was linked to a confidential informant or the brother of the informant.

“The reason they’re covering up the third gun is because it could lead to the confidential informant,” Pavlich said. “They’re protecting him at the cost of justice to Brian Terry and his family. I am not an expert on what confidential informants are allowed to get away with, but I guarantee they’re not allowed to kill federal agents.”

... new informant or gun belonging to someone who can testify about the matter, maybe.

Mark de LA of group mark 2015-12-10 12:52:57 [item 15691#25518]
BTW, there is an ICE agent, Jaime Zapata, killed in Mexico who also was killed in this obamanation:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/06/21/ice-agent-family-files-wrongful-death-claim/
source: ...

The 32-year-old Zapata and fellow ICE agent Victor Avila, who was wounded, were attacked on Feb. 15, 2011, by gunmen working for the Los Zetas drug cartel while driving from Mexico City to the northern city of Monterrey.

The two agents, who were assigned to the ICE attache office in Mexico City, were driving an armored vehicle when they were attacked in San Luis Potosi



Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/06/21/ice-agent-family-files-wrongful-death-claim/#ixzz1yY58DuPE
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