New Age Voting & Liquid Democracy Links

Some interesting things about democracy, voting etc to ponder – what might the discussion change?

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  1. voting
  2. liquid democracy
  3. koyaanisqatsi

Comments


Seth says
Seth 2016-04-11 07:28:29 [item 20783#51056]
i ran into blockchain the other day … might be interesting to grok what that is all about.
MR 2016-04-11 07:57:32 [item 20783#51059]
Yeah, the youtube from the google guy hinted that it might even be used to vote/create specs & run a software project. Such might be a way of getting around problems of evolution by dictatorship if this expands much.
…. hmmm, now that might be interesting.  now i’ll have to (something) the video. 

Mark de LA says
This might also be combined with a survey of what “We the People” want from a government.  For me personally I want transparency & at the same time I barely want to know they are there. See also thought 20787 or s threefoldness

Mark de LA says
Mr. Wallaby 2016-04-13 08:53:25 [item 20783#51138]
Elsewhere I wrote

I am looking for a piece of drama and song that brings it all together for a new Golden Age in dynamic balance. All the intellectualism, arguing & persuasion won't git-r-done !

Seth 2016-04-13 09:06:49 [item 20783#51139]
hmmm …

for me it was somwhere in leviathan slash mixed media.   but if you think about it you will know that your drama/song wold probably not speak to me, nor mine to you ← really think about that …. then put that in the dama too … er, mixed medai … but don’t over think it.
Haven’t a clue as to what you are saying put your → where they will do you the most good.  The Grand Munge of Ego-Anarchy is not my thingy. 

Mark de LA says
Mr. Wallaby 2016-04-13 09:29:35 [item 20783#51145]
A reminder :
Seth 2013-03-25 07:21:45 thought 16454#27252

i like your term "Golden Age in dynamic balance"  
Seth 2016-04-13 09:37:49 [item 20783#51146]
as opposed to the Koyaanisqatsi we have going now
there is no “opposed to” in my meme.

Mark de LA says
Seth 2016-04-13 09:42:10 [item 20783#51148]
obviously … your meme eats the koyaanisqatsi … transforming it into golden balance
Mr. Wallaby 2016-04-13 09:50:20 [item 20783#51151]
dynamic balance or dynamic equilibrium rights itself when it gets off balance – the human body is fairly good at it (it heals, keeps rhythms well, grows & stabalizes & replenishes lost cells constantly)  & – it is the essence of what has been proposed as a model for the economic system independent of governmental interference & cronyism . 
Seth 2016-04-13 09:58:00 [item 20783#51152]
http://robustai.net/~seth/explode.gif


also related to the sustainable meme

but  many people don’t realize that we are an explosion surprise

… so how do you do that? pondering
“The second half’s solved, solving the first” Hex #22 line 3 or Liber Legis I,56 

Expect him not from the East, nor from the West; for from no expected house cometh that child. Aum! All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little; solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked. But thou hast all in the clear light, and some, though not all, in the dark.

above:

...All the intellectualism, arguing & persuasion won't git-r-done !


Seth says
Mr. Wallaby 2016-04-13 09:44:12 [item 20783#51149]
Mine was somewhat inspired by this familiar quote on an entirely higher plane.

“To love a person is to learn the song that is in their heart and to sing it to them when they have forgotten.”

Seth 2016-04-13 09:44:48 [item 20783#51150]
?
Mr. Wallaby 2016-04-13 10:02:46 [item 20783#51153]
Lyrics

Listen to the song here in my heart
A melody I start but can't complete
Listen to the sound from deep within
It's only beginning to find release

Oh, the time has come for my dreams to be heard
They will not be pushed aside and turned
Into your own all 'cause you won't
Listen

Listen, I am alone at a crossroads
I'm not at home in my own home
And I've tried and tried to say what's on my mind
You should have known (oh)

Oh, now I'm done believing you
You don't know what I'm feeling
I'm more than what you made of me
I followed the voice you gave to me
But now I've gotta find my own

You should have listened, there is someone here inside
Someone I thought had died so long ago
Oh, I'm screaming now and my dreams will be heard
They will not be pushed aside or worse
Into your own all 'cause you won't
Listen

Listen, I am alone at a crossroads
I'm not at home in my own home
And I've tried and tried to say what's on mind
You should have known

Oh, now I'm done believing you
You don't know what I'm feeling
I'm more than what you made of me
I followed the voice you gave to me
But now I've gotta find my own

I don't know where I belong
But I'll be moving on
If you don't, if you won't

Listen to the song here in my heart
A melody I start but I will complete

Oh, now I'm done believing you
You don't know what I'm feeling
I'm more than what you made of me
I followed the voice you think you gave to me
But now I've gotta find my own

My own.


Seth says
give away the confabulation,

“a difference be an argument” ...

instead make it be  a combination

Mark de LA says
So now that “we” are way off topic do I have to move the actual topic somewhere else etc. 
or can we return to government, & voting & how we want government to perform in principle terms. 
-XOR- maybe just Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar Act 3 Scene 1 p 13

ORIGINAL TEXT

 



280




285




290
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy.
Blood and destruction shall be so in use,
And dreadful objects so familiar,
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quartered with the hands of war,
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds,
And Caesar’s spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch’s voice
Cry “Havoc!” and let slip the dogs of war,
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.

 
   

Mark de LA says
Seth 2016-04-13 10:39:54 [item 20783#51158]
strange … surprise … i though we were right on target ← oh well
There is a difference between a target & the whole wall. laughing

Mark de LA says
Seth 2016-04-13 10:48:42 [item 20783#51161]
well to see a thing you somtimes need to look at what is beside it on the wall … or CiK … “context is king”
Mr. Wallaby 2016-04-13 10:50:18 [item 20783#51162]
Or sometimes ADHD turns the wall into a munge like the above grafitti example. laughing
Seth 2016-04-13 10:59:15 [item 20783#51163]
of course yes




individuals will have differing tolerances to chaos

… er, to otherness. 

pondering hmmm …. i wonder …

what has that to do with “Liquid Democracy”

 
For some value of “that” I could probably munge something onto it. laughing Actually wouldn’t even need to know to what “that” referred anyway. smug

Seth says
Seth 2016-04-13 11:15:46 [item 20783#51168]
me, i have to go do my taxes laughing
Mr. Wallaby 2016-04-13 11:16:51 [item 20783#51169]
We,She already have the refund deposited. smug
i’ll have to pay … but it won’t be much … biggest prob is my ira … i’m too old and am required by law to take taxable income out of that.  it’s just cranking up the turbo tax and getting everyting to match.

Mark de LA says
Seth 2016-04-13 11:03:22 [item 20783#51165]
“that” obviously = “individuals will have differing tolerances to chaos”

precise reference and parsing does increase focus. 
Mr. Wallaby 2016-04-13 11:08:54 [item 20783#51166]
Liquid Focus & munging requires little at all; maybe just a thin sliver consciousness to react & slurp!sad
Seth 2016-04-13 11:14:53 [item 20783#51167]
seems to me that the “liquid focus” necessary to make a democracy flourish will (must) supervene on the differing medias of each indvidual ← a problem … er, or a feature?   we all know where it goes wrong … just where it becomes centralized … where one power (media) dominates.   so where do we go from here?
I say throw it all up in the air & reinvent – commit to a transition more like a dynamic equilibrium adjustment itself but shuns revolution & letting slip the dogs of war.  etc.  Happy Taxing thumbs upcool

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