Why Thinking Domains ?

it is a fact that most people don’t really think for themselves and with others in a practical manner.  but they should.  and it is a fact that our new networked tools actually encourage shallow and hallow interactions between people – i mean how much depth of interaction happens by a click on sombody’s selfie to game some status and get a little inner tweak in one’s soul.  if anything thinking domains is intended to provide a medium for people to swing in the opposite direction.

seth russell

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Seth says
Mark de Los Angeles 2016-05-14 07:11:04 [item 20923#52006]
How so? again!  Please be SPECIFIC! thumbs up
hmmm … good question … let’s think about it …

to be continued ...

Mark de LA says
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 08:58:10 [item 20923#53531]
Lynch-Mobs also do what excites them. Countries create wars by what excites them (killing the enemy) etc. I prefer more thoughtful people with some core values in common.. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:05:01 [item 20923#53533]
If you think those things, then I don’t think you yet understand what following your excitement really is. Lynch mobs and terrorists are moving away from some pain, and also operating mostly on automatic out of habits of thought, sometime programmed from birth. Moving away from pain is never the same thing as following excitement.

I believe that no one following real excitement, not just moving away from pain or programming, but truly know what is exciting and doing it, can ever intentionally do harm to another. We are all one at a higher level. Our excitement is our higher level knowledge coming to us as an emotion. When we follow it we are doing not only that which will make us happy, but that which is in the best harmony with all of us as one.
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:08:51 [item 20923#53534]
Yep, whatever keep redefining until you are right, eh?

 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:11:45 [item 20923#53537]
I have never changed any of this. I am saying the same thing I have been saying for quite a few years, only adding my latest experience to the words and keeping it relevant to the subjects you are innitiating.

What I say is sold and consistent. It is a complete system that works and works very well. Better than any other I have seen or heard of … and consistent with most other spiritual teachings too.  
Yep rather tiresome proselytizing . Enjoy your Egoo! yes

Mark de LA says
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:26:14 [item 20923#53542]
I would be more interested in what Sethyes has to say. N is almost 100% predictable.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:32:16 [item 20923#53543]
That’s cool. So then what would I say is the reason to “tell anyone else”? Can you back up your words with an example of my predictability? I will be fair and consider the overall gist of what you write, your words for it will be fine.  
ponderingNope – more like I’m tired of your words & redundancy, N.
Basically I was trying to follow the Topic not LOA.

Mark de LA says
So why thinking domains?
So why thinking domains?
So why thinking domains?
So why thinking domains?
So why thinking domains?
So?
pondering
laughing

Seth says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-26 16:28:25 [item 20923#53501]
I can’t think of any reason “think for themselves and with others in a practical manner” is a useful thing. Why? What difference does it make?
Mark de LA 2016-06-26 17:14:09 [item 20923#53503]
yep, doesn’t really say much & what it says is a fuzzy generalism 
Seth 2016-06-27 08:21:00 [item 20923#53526]
i agree that we need examples here to see where thinking together is necessary for group activity.  There are many obvious examples here most of which should not even be controversial as long as we believe that people function at times as a group whole.  For example if a group wants to move to San Francisco as a whole group,  they need to agree on where San Francisco is, and how to efficiently get the group there.  The move as a group will not happen if there are diverse opinions of where the destination is geographically,  and how to get there.  Relative to that move happening, agreements in thought must be established.  

If we accept the belief that humans act usefully together as a group,  then that they think together follows automatically.  This has to do with what kind of a being we form  together socially.  There are many animal species which have no social life at all,  each instance of a body is just for itself.  As we move up in hierarchy that changes dramatically, so that early on we see animals caring for their young and behaviors forming which favor group survival even in contradiction to individuals. 

Of course if we reject our social being, avoiding even invoking its name “We”, then the usefulness of thinking together will simply not appear in the contexts of our consciousness.   We will be quite different that we actually are. ← imho.
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 08:30:48 [item 20923#53528]
There are many WE’s : the family, the neighborhood, the crowd, the mob, the country, city, state, the company, the crowd-sourcing something, the flashmob, all those who think like you & all those that oppose your thinking.  In fact the TAO predicts the moment you invoke a WE you create the anti-WE.  I don’t think anyone thinks together except in an orchestrated trance state. Maybe politics straddles the idea for the vastly low-information classes.  My question is who elected whom to speak for the WE you are talking about. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 08:56:35 [item 20923#53530]
There is no need to elect a spoksman or leader. Simply follow excitement. Sometimes excitement produces a leader for a particular need, and then the dynamics change naturally through following excitement when the need is satisfied. This works splendidly. I have been doing this in my group Travel by Yes for the last 3 years and the more we actually do it exactly that way, the better things get and the more the group is an amazing fun entity to be a part of.   
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:01:52 [item 20923#53532]
Yep, telepathy works better, quicker eh? Maybe no need for the website either!
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:09:06 [item 20923#53535]
I never said anything about telepathy … different subject. You seem to be grabbing at anything you can to slam at my words and degenerating with every reply. Soon you will be doing what I “call” acting like an asshole. Please reconsider your own excitement.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:11:04 [item 20923#53536]
Look in the mirror dude, & watch how infected your claim of not doing the RWG decays.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:15:50 [item 20923#53538]
Notice that I am telling you my truth. What I am seeing, feeling. Notice that I am not calling you wrong. What you are doing in my truth is degenerating on the vibrational scale into a low state of energy where your responses become that which I call “being and asshole”. This is my truth. If it is not yours, that is fine. I am telling you what I am seeing in real time as it is happening. What you choose to do with my observations is entirely your business. I have told you before that I will not stand for being treated the way you treat people when you are being an asshole. Take that as you will. I will move as my excitement moves me.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:20:46 [item 20923#53539]
Who cares?  Why in your solipsic world tell anyone else – they are all YOU!  Excitement can move anything.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:23:57 [item 20923#53541]
There is a really good and clear answer to why interact with others.

At the moment, I don’t think you will read it consciously. When you are actually responding to dialog and not just striking back with bigger and bigger hammers, I would be interested in answering. Thanks.
Seth 2016-06-27 09:44:36 [item 20923#53547]
hmmm … i would like to see if we can get back to a common way of thinking.


mark is right,  every time a “we” is created, so is it’s “anti-we” and that the aspects and classifications of “we(s)” are just as diverse as the firmament itself.   nathan is right in that focusing of who is the leader is quite unnecessary and not the point of the social being at all.   it does not need a singular leader, nor even a singular voice.  it hangs together just as is its being and functions coherently just as we do individually in that regard.  

all of that said, i think i answered nathan’s question about why it is useful to think together.   
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:50:00 [item 20923#53548]
PJ2 was an example of a leaderless organization which would have died except for a handful of energetic people who handled the relationships to the outside world.
Seth 2016-06-27 09:55:43 [item 20923#53549]
yes it was … and you and i were two of the individuals involved thumbs up.

it is also interesting that a very important aspect of the control of p2 was that it operated on consensus ← which is almost the definition of thinking together.
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 10:14:12 [item 20923#53553]
An analysis might be interesting, however time has put ~ 40 years of change into the pot.  “Lead, follow or get out of the way” was a frequent motivating mantra. The flower children still romped & played.  It was more like the family level of organization. Frequent contact with all the people via meetings, paying dues, outings & fuckings. A maximum of about 60 people existed at one time. Nothing much novel about a group of people with some common interests cooperating & sharing. Digitally that is facebook, & G+ etc. Emphasis on just thinking instead of the full monty of thought, feeling AND action leaves things a bit weak.  Same goes for just feeling.  Dangerous if just will(action) (3rd Reich).
thumbs up
well as the scope of a group enlarges and incudes more and more diversity,  then so must a group being grow in complexity in an  amazing mysterious manner … or weaken … or even divide.   an individual is quite different than a couple, or than a family of 5, or a community, or a city,  or a guild, or a state, or a nation, or humanity as a whole … circles within circles exploding into all that is possible.

Mark de LA says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 08:52:03 [item 20923#53529]
There is another way for a group to interact and move. I have been participating in this other way in the group I travel with (Travel by Yes). It actually works about 50 times (or more, I am being conservative) better than group consensus.

It is simply for each person to do what excites them. It is not necessary for humans to plan. Planning is always being done at a higher level of intelligence than conscious reality. When we do what is exciting to us, we are tapping into that higher level planning that is being done from a much broader perspective and taking things into consideration that we cannot see from our physical perspective.

What binds a group is common excitements. What binds a mother to care for her child is not a decision or planning, it is because she feels doing that is the most exciting thing, even when what she thinks she has to do is plan, she is still doing that because she wants to more than she wants to do something else.

When we all do what we want to do, things start falling into place easily. Groups are then not static entities with most of their effort tied up into trying to get consensus and keeping the group goals and details set, but rather become living groups that are much more fun to be a part of and members come and go as their excitement moves them and it is more like groups that form in the natural world, dynamic and highly productive. heartsmiley
Seth 2016-06-27 12:14:16 [item 20923#53562]
well i agree that “what binds a group is common excitements” … that is what makes them a group and not just a inadvertent collection of individuals.  

and i am not touting consensus as a singular solution to all group problems.  it is just a rule for a governing body that works where it works.  the social being itself is more of a feeling … in your terms a vibration … a synchronicity … a synergy.  consensus is more applied to just how thoughts must connect to each other and that the group feeling must be preserved (or not) where conflicts emerge .   And conflicts will emerge … notwistanding  that to the extent that synergy obtains,  they will not. 

examples for the above available on demand.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 12:23:21 [item 20923#53563]
 Conflicts will   emerge  true. And what we have learned In our group, the hard way even though Abraham has said many times,  conflicts  are best  resolved  by every person doing what is exciting to them. Never by group  ideas or consensus.  Our combined  inner beings know how to resolve conflicts way better than our physical mind, which is designed to experience not to figure out problems bigger than the scope of what we can see.
Seth 2016-06-27 13:18:33 [item 20923#53564]
and what constitutes  “our inner beings combining to resolve conflicts”  ?  What actual nature does that consciousness entail?   Is it something other than just thinking and feeling and doing together?   I mean, how do spirits combine without actually combining?   The idea that happens automatically and unconsciously with no coordination  between separate independent beings defies my understanding of how things happen.  Is it necessary for the coordination (the syncing) to be intentional and conscious by all involved? … no, not to my understanding.   But whether intentionally conscious or not, it sure seems to me that thinking and feeling and doing together will enhance the process of “inner beings knowing how to combine their changes”.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 15:08:28 [item 20923#53565]
 That is a really interesting subject and I can give you my take on it. But for practical purposes knowing the details doesn't make any difference. Because what you do is always the same. You follow your excitement. And you know that by doing whatever it is that organizes the multi-verse works. And it really does work. Every single time! I can verify that with daily use for over five years now.
Seth 2016-06-27 15:24:08 [item 20923#53566]
well you have given that simplistic response to just about everything that has been thought of recently here as if it were the solution to everything.   You give it even to the considerations of beings far different and than you could possibly know.  but in my experience what is happening does not always simplify to and such a singular practice.  were i to discover myself so singularly focused, i would step back and look for amazement outside of that which appears from the outside as just narrow and convenient. 
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 15:56:21 [item 20923#53567]
?
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 16:48:42 [item 20923#53568]
Well it is a simple principle and it does apply to everything. But it does not create a simple life. It creates an incredibly complex interesting and diverse life. I am sure you have thought about it, probably even a lot. But I am also sure you have not exactly tried it the way I suggest. Because when you someday do you will be hooked. You'll be hooked on its power and it's simplicity and the amazing life it creates for you.
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 17:19:10 [item 20923#53572]
Seth – have you found the way N suggests somewhere here? To me, most all of it vague & pointers to other people’s YouTubes.  See of you cam find steps 1 … 2...3 to a specific result ( not anecdotes of successes & coincidences) – I think TR has many such lists. N’s been trying this for a lot longer than 5 years.  I remember when our mother complained to me about some of his proselytizing (the enthusiasm of a true believer of something) .
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 17:30:21 [item 20923#53573]
I'll buy that. You guys have been asking for examples so I've been giving examples. Before that many many times I  listed exact steps.  Both of you always have your reasons for not following the steps and for ignoring them. The steps have not changed and they're listed many times here and many times on Facebook. You are welcome to try them when you are ready. The steps are harmless. They will either work or they will do nothing. I live my life clearly and simply and follow my own inner guidance. You are welcome to call that whatever you like. What I say works. I try it many times myself before I bother to tell it to others. 
So what exact item is that?  Your magic search ought to be able to find it. ponderingsmug

Seth says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-26 16:28:25 [item 20923#53501]
I can’t think of any reason “think for themselves and with others in a practical manner” is a useful thing. Why? What difference does it make?
Mark de LA 2016-06-26 17:14:09 [item 20923#53503]
yep, doesn’t really say much & what it says is a fuzzy generalism 
Seth 2016-06-27 08:21:00 [item 20923#53526]
i agree that we need examples here to see where thinking together is necessary for group activity.  There are many obvious examples here most of which should not even be controversial as long as we believe that people function at times as a group whole.  For example if a group wants to move to San Francisco as a whole group,  they need to agree on where San Francisco is, and how to efficiently get the group there.  The move as a group will not happen if there are diverse opinions of where the destination is geographically,  and how to get there.  Relative to that move happening, agreements in thought must be established.  

If we accept the belief that humans act usefully together as a group,  then that they think together follows automatically.  This has to do with what kind of a being we form  together socially.  There are many animal species which have no social life at all,  each instance of a body is just for itself.  As we move up in hierarchy that changes dramatically, so that early on we see animals caring for their young and behaviors forming which favor group survival even in contradiction to individuals. 

Of course if we reject our social being, avoiding even invoking its name “We”, then the usefulness of thinking together will simply not appear in the contexts of our consciousness.   We will be quite different that we actually are. ← imho.
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 08:30:48 [item 20923#53528]
There are many WE’s : the family, the neighborhood, the crowd, the mob, the country, city, state, the company, the crowd-sourcing something, the flashmob, all those who think like you & all those that oppose your thinking.  In fact the TAO predicts the moment you invoke a WE you create the anti-WE.  I don’t think anyone thinks together except in an orchestrated trance state. Maybe politics straddles the idea for the vastly low-information classes.  My question is who elected whom to speak for the WE you are talking about. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 08:56:35 [item 20923#53530]
There is no need to elect a spoksman or leader. Simply follow excitement. Sometimes excitement produces a leader for a particular need, and then the dynamics change naturally through following excitement when the need is satisfied. This works splendidly. I have been doing this in my group Travel by Yes for the last 3 years and the more we actually do it exactly that way, the better things get and the more the group is an amazing fun entity to be a part of.   
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:01:52 [item 20923#53532]
Yep, telepathy works better, quicker eh? Maybe no need for the website either!
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:09:06 [item 20923#53535]
I never said anything about telepathy … different subject. You seem to be grabbing at anything you can to slam at my words and degenerating with every reply. Soon you will be doing what I “call” acting like an asshole. Please reconsider your own excitement.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:11:04 [item 20923#53536]
Look in the mirror dude, & watch how infected your claim of not doing the RWG decays.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:15:50 [item 20923#53538]
Notice that I am telling you my truth. What I am seeing, feeling. Notice that I am not calling you wrong. What you are doing in my truth is degenerating on the vibrational scale into a low state of energy where your responses become that which I call “being and asshole”. This is my truth. If it is not yours, that is fine. I am telling you what I am seeing in real time as it is happening. What you choose to do with my observations is entirely your business. I have told you before that I will not stand for being treated the way you treat people when you are being an asshole. Take that as you will. I will move as my excitement moves me.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:20:46 [item 20923#53539]
Who cares?  Why in your solipsic world tell anyone else – they are all YOU!  Excitement can move anything.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:23:57 [item 20923#53541]
There is a really good and clear answer to why interact with others.

At the moment, I don’t think you will read it consciously. When you are actually responding to dialog and not just striking back with bigger and bigger hammers, I would be interested in answering. Thanks.
Seth 2016-06-27 09:44:36 [item 20923#53547]
hmmm … i would like to see if we can get back to a common way of thinking.


mark is right,  every time a “we” is created, so is it’s “anti-we” and that the aspects and classifications of “we(s)” are just as diverse as the firmament itself.   nathan is right in that focusing of who is the leader is quite unnecessary and not the point of the social being at all.   it does not need a singular leader, nor even a singular voice.  it hangs together just as is its being and functions coherently just as we do individually in that regard.  

all of that said, i think i answered nathan’s question about why it is useful to think together.   
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:50:00 [item 20923#53548]
PJ2 was an example of a leaderless organization which would have died except for a handful of energetic people who handled the relationships to the outside world.
Seth 2016-06-27 09:55:43 [item 20923#53549]
yes it was … and you and i were two of the individuals involved thumbs up.

it is also interesting that a very important aspect of the control of tag p2 was that it operated on consensus ← which is almost the definition of thinking together.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 10:14:32 [item 20923#53554]
I am getting a clue about your answer from this about consensus. I don’t consider consensus a very useful tool. I have not for quite a while, well before I knew about LOA. Instinctively I have been suspect of it. It’s smells of the kind of thing humans create to get around a problem they created in the first place instead of a natural way of doing something.

Now that I understand LOA I see that consensus is often used to override individual excitement. It is the idea that the good of the many is more important that the good of the few, or the one. LOA teaches that the good of the many is always considered when excitement is being followed. No single “one” has access to the knowledge required to truly know what is best for the many. Even when all of the many are present, as in a council for instance, each is often pulled in different directions by their own inner guidance. When we let that inner guidance free, then things that are not obvious to our physical minds come into play and all things work out in the best possible way. Consensus ties the hands of the multiverse to help us out. It leaves us trying to figure it all out from our limited physical awareness and not only that, we each have our own awareness so the best we can ever get with consensus is a very muddied down compromise.
Seth 2016-06-27 11:18:58 [item 20923#53558]
consensus says that each individual’s concerns must be addressed … in that sense, when it is actually working,  it is not, as you are assume,  “used to override individual excitement” … rather each individual either voluntarily joins the consensus of their own excitement, or they object and nothing will change.   so to make consensus work in a group, what must happen is that people think together until each individual’s excitement (as you have it) is satisfied.    Forming a consensus is where the group becomes conscious of itself as a group … rather than just a coincidental collection of individuals each just concerned with themselves. 

Sometimes this works well and sometimes it does not.   When it does not, all manner of horse shit and turbulence might obtain.  I think it works best when the scope of the group being is minimized and individual initiative is encouraged.  That way forming consensus becomes easier and need not encroach on freedoms and excitements of an individual.
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 11:25:18 [item 20923#53559]
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Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 16:52:38 [item 20923#53569]
 It is the "nothing will change" part that is the problem.  At best that slows things down massively from what they could be. At worst it completely stagnates.  Each following their excitement allows situation to advance at the maximum rate possible for all individuals involved. Consensus does the opposite. It makes the situation proceed as slow as The weakest link in the group.
Seth 2016-06-27 18:28:32 [item 20923#53576]
acting intuitively according to inner guidance does not always conflict with thinking and feeling and acting together.  the more the latter is practiced, the more it becomes in synchronism with the former.  a consensus meeting is just a venue where people make decisions which effects the entire group … it is where individuals become consciously aware of the group and personally take responsible for them as if they were the group.   the alternatives being, no group conscious awareness, dictatorship, or perhaps some total faith in a magic for which people are not personally responsible. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 19:22:24 [item 20923#53578]
I agree. Inner guidance does not always conflict with thinking and feeling and acting together. In fact, it most often does not at all. Humans trying to synchronize by thinking out conflicts often does degrade the group. Inner guidance allows the higher needs of the group to flourish. Sometimes the needs of one steers that one on their own path. This is natural and often conflict free. Quite the opposite of groups guided by human consensus where when the needs of one differ from the group either compromise or stagnation results.

Dictatorship and the like can only arise when humans are not following inner guidance. It is the result of humans giving up inner guidance in favor of an an outside guidance, group or individual. I believe it is true that consensus is one way to avoid things like dictatorship. It has it’s merit's. I only say that it produces a slow evolution for a group. It is only as strong as the weakest individual and can only move forward that fast. Following excitement produces a much stronger and more dynamic group that moves forward at the fastest pace that the whole collective can manage and has no negative side effects like dictatorship. No one following inner guidance will ever follow a dictator. They are polar opposite ways to proceed. When you are following what is coming from inside, you are not following someone trying to take over outside. And inner guidance does synchronize groups. I have experienced it again and again and am aware of many other groups in our reality reporting the same.  It works.
yeah all of that is fine … we both know about social dynamics … i don’t think that is the aspect we wanted to talk about when it comes to asking the question of why thinking domains. 
 

Si says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-26 16:28:25 [item 20923#53501]
I can’t think of any reason “think for themselves and with others in a practical manner” is a useful thing. Why? What difference does it make?
Mark de LA 2016-06-26 17:14:09 [item 20923#53503]
yep, doesn’t really say much & what it says is a fuzzy generalism 
Seth 2016-06-27 08:21:00 [item 20923#53526]
i agree that we need examples here to see where thinking together is necessary for group activity.  There are many obvious examples here most of which should not even be controversial as long as we believe that people function at times as a group whole.  For example if a group wants to move to San Francisco as a whole group,  they need to agree on where San Francisco is, and how to efficiently get the group there.  The move as a group will not happen if there are diverse opinions of where the destination is geographically,  and how to get there.  Relative to that move happening, agreements in thought must be established.  

If we accept the belief that humans act usefully together as a group,  then that they think together follows automatically.  This has to do with what kind of a being we form  together socially.  There are many animal species which have no social life at all,  each instance of a body is just for itself.  As we move up in hierarchy that changes dramatically, so that early on we see animals caring for their young and behaviors forming which favor group survival even in contradiction to individuals. 

Of course if we reject our social being, avoiding even invoking its name “We”, then the usefulness of thinking together will simply not appear in the contexts of our consciousness.   We will be quite different that we actually are. ← imho.
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 08:30:48 [item 20923#53528]
There are many WE’s : the family, the neighborhood, the crowd, the mob, the country, city, state, the company, the crowd-sourcing something, the flashmob, all those who think like you & all those that oppose your thinking.  In fact the TAO predicts the moment you invoke a WE you create the anti-WE.  I don’t think anyone thinks together except in an orchestrated trance state. Maybe politics straddles the idea for the vastly low-information classes.  My question is who elected whom to speak for the WE you are talking about. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 08:56:35 [item 20923#53530]
There is no need to elect a spoksman or leader. Simply follow excitement. Sometimes excitement produces a leader for a particular need, and then the dynamics change naturally through following excitement when the need is satisfied. This works splendidly. I have been doing this in my group Travel by Yes for the last 3 years and the more we actually do it exactly that way, the better things get and the more the group is an amazing fun entity to be a part of.   
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:01:52 [item 20923#53532]
Yep, telepathy works better, quicker eh? Maybe no need for the website either!
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:09:06 [item 20923#53535]
I never said anything about telepathy … different subject. You seem to be grabbing at anything you can to slam at my words and degenerating with every reply. Soon you will be doing what I “call” acting like an asshole. Please reconsider your own excitement.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:11:04 [item 20923#53536]
Look in the mirror dude, & watch how infected your claim of not doing the RWG decays.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:15:50 [item 20923#53538]
Notice that I am telling you my truth. What I am seeing, feeling. Notice that I am not calling you wrong. What you are doing in my truth is degenerating on the vibrational scale into a low state of energy where your responses become that which I call “being and asshole”. This is my truth. If it is not yours, that is fine. I am telling you what I am seeing in real time as it is happening. What you choose to do with my observations is entirely your business. I have told you before that I will not stand for being treated the way you treat people when you are being an asshole. Take that as you will. I will move as my excitement moves me.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:20:46 [item 20923#53539]
Who cares?  Why in your solipsic world tell anyone else – they are all YOU!  Excitement can move anything.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:23:57 [item 20923#53541]
There is a really good and clear answer to why interact with others.

At the moment, I don’t think you will read it consciously. When you are actually responding to dialog and not just striking back with bigger and bigger hammers, I would be interested in answering. Thanks.
Seth 2016-06-27 09:44:36 [item 20923#53547]
hmmm … i would like to see if we can get back to a common way of thinking.


mark is right,  every time a “we” is created, so is it’s “anti-we” and that the aspects and classifications of “we(s)” are just as diverse as the firmament itself.   nathan is right in that focusing of who is the leader is quite unnecessary and not the point of the social being at all.   it does not need a singular leader, nor even a singular voice.  it hangs together just as is its being and functions coherently just as we do individually in that regard.  

all of that said, i think i answered nathan’s question about why it is useful to think together.   
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 09:50:00 [item 20923#53548]
PJ2 was an example of a leaderless organization which would have died except for a handful of energetic people who handled the relationships to the outside world.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 09:55:55 [item 20923#53550]
Where is that answer Seth? I am not seeing anything that explains why thinking together does anything. I’m not being difficult, I reread the stuff I thought it might be in and don’t see it, that’s all.  
Seth 2016-06-27 10:03:15 [item 20923#53551]
hmmm … do you not recognize the answer in http://www.fastblogit.com/item/20923#53526 ?
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 10:06:52 [item 20923#53552]
I am not seeing comment 53526 anywhere on this item. I have been using the new 3.0 system mostly, but right now I switched back to 2.0 and still don’t see that comment number? Do you?
Seth 2016-06-27 10:41:12 [item 20923#53556]
yes i certainly do … here it is pasted directly from above in this thread …
Seth 2016-06-27 08:21:00 [item 20923#53526]
i agree that we need examples here to see where thinking together is necessary for group activity.  There are many obvious examples here most of which should not even be controversial as long as we believe that people function at times as a group whole.  For example if a group wants to move to San Francisco as a whole group,  they need to agree on where San Francisco is, and how to efficiently get the group there.  The move as a group will not happen if there are diverse opinions of where the destination is geographically,  and how to get there.  Relative to that move happening, agreements in thought must be established.  

If we accept the belief that humans act usefully together as a group,  then that they think together follows automatically.  This has to do with what kind of a being we form  together socially.  There are many animal species which have no social life at all,  each instance of a body is just for itself.  As we move up in hierarchy that changes dramatically, so that early on we see animals caring for their young and behaviors forming which favor group survival even in contradiction to individuals. 

Of course if we reject our social being, avoiding even invoking its name “We”, then the usefulness of thinking together will simply not appear in the contexts of our consciousness.   We will be quite different that we actually are. ← imho.

 

Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 17:02:49 [item 20923#53571]
 I do not reject our social groups. I honor and love them. But I reject consensus and similar ideas. I favor individuals following their excitement within the group as the control mechanism. It is far superior.  Beyond that I think I think about groups pretty much the same way you do. And my idea about the best group mechanisms are not theory, they are very well practiced fact. I have been living them and they work extremely well!
Seth 2016-06-28 06:00:42 [item 20923#53600]
yeah i realize all that.   i think both of us here are interested in the nature and dynamics of person to person and person to group.   consensus is just a way of running a meeting, like Roberts Rules of Order or parliamentary procedure.   but even if meetings use that procedure,  the actual dynamics is still just individuals doing what they do, and feeling what they feel, and leading or following. 
Pretty much. What we have evolved over our time with these concepts is that meetings don’t need a structure around the details of the group, because that is already taken care of by each individual following their own excitement and that automatically tunes each person in with the details that have been organized by a higher perspective.

When each person is tuned in, group meetings become a format for synchronizing vibrations. This can have structure and often does. In our meetings we play together until we are in sync and then often do group stories, where each person tells the next sentence of the story, around a subject our group is interested in manifesting. Sometimes we set an intention and meditate together after doing group breathwork. Sometimes we just write poetry and share it. All of these things bring individual knowledge and desires out into the group and sync us up.

What we don’t do are details or minutes of “what is”, because what is is always the past. Bringing in the past syncs people up with what they have done, not with where they are at now and where they want to go. It is never necessary to relive the past unless you literally desire to relive it. If you want to move forward in your life, or group life, you only focus on your inspired desires and stay out of the details of what will come about to make it happen … that will always be taken care of naturally by each person following their excitement and being in the right place at the right time to do exactly what is needed.

Seth says
i saw 5 Chinese girls in the mall yesterday.   they had got these giant ice cream cones from 31 flavors.   they were holding them up and snapping pictures of them together and taking selfies of them.   it was a delicious experience.   i wish i could find it on facebook.   i regret not being fast enough to whip out my own camera and snap the moment. 

Si says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 20:50:05 [item 20923#53588]
On the topic, I believe people will be drawn to tools that help them speak their mind. I agree that much social media is not on target with current needs, but not really because they encourage shallow interactions … I actually don’t think they do that. I think the current ones encourage rich interactions. I think what people are craving is a positive and forward moving experience.

Current social mediums tend to encourage negative interactions that keep people cycling in the same feelings, the same thoughts. People want to move forward. Forward movement requires new positive thoughts. Like attracts like.

In order for a medium to meet what people are craving in this time it will need to reward positive and progressive thinking and discourage thinking that keeps people doing the same thing over and over. People will be drawn to that!  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 23:09:31 [item 20923#53595]
People in social media are living a selfie world. The prophecies in Brave New World & Max Headroom are mostly complete. Thought control might be your thingy, not mine. Political correctness is such a form.  Anything obtains what anything wants if anything is awake .  OTOH, if not anything obtains what the power structure wants if anything is asleep. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 03:51:49 [item 20923#53596]
I believe people are progressing and on track. I believe in the rightness of all that is. Not in stories of degeneration and lack. I base my ideas about what will draw people on sound principles that I understand fully and apply myself, not on storybooks and reading the news.

How do you know that people in social media are living in a selfie world? Is it because that is what you are doing? What I know is because I am doing and applying the things I speak about.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 07:27:33 [item 20923#53610]
I post very few pictures of myself.  The other day in a ~ 6000 person fire walk in Dallas ~ dozens people got burned – some reported that people were taking selfies & movies of the experience as a possible cause.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/06/24/dozens-burned-after-fire-walking-event-at-tony-robbins-seminar/
 
Seth 2016-06-28 07:49:18 [item 20923#53613]
yeah i can see how taking a selfie as you walk on the burning coals would not work laughing

but mark seems to have an subjective distaste for the current craze,  brought on by our prolific cameras,  of taking our own pictures and showing them publically.   me, i don’t have such a distaste.  feedback from others being aware of me is part of our consciousness.  it does not necessarily equate to narcissism.  marks internal distaste of that is just his own affair.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 07:58:51 [item 20923#53615]
Yep, that’s what Narcissus would say. laughing
Misplaced Mirth Effect

Seth says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 20:50:05 [item 20923#53588]
On the topic, I believe people will be drawn to tools that help them speak their mind. I agree that much social media is not on target with current needs, but not really because they encourage shallow interactions … I actually don’t think they do that. I think the current ones encourage rich interactions. I think what people are craving is a positive and forward moving experience.

Current social mediums tend to encourage negative interactions that keep people cycling in the same feelings, the same thoughts. People want to move forward. Forward movement requires new positive thoughts. Like attracts like.

In order for a medium to meet what people are craving in this time it will need to reward positive and progressive thinking and discourage thinking that keeps people doing the same thing over and over. People will be drawn to that!  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 23:09:31 [item 20923#53595]
People in social media are living a selfie world. The prophecies in Brave New World & Max Headroom are mostly complete. Thought control might be your thingy, not mine. Political correctness is such a form.  Anything obtains what anything wants if anything is awake .  OTOH, if not anything obtains what the power structure wants if anything is asleep. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 03:51:49 [item 20923#53596]
I believe people are progressing and on track. I believe in the rightness of all that is. Not in stories of degeneration and lack. I base my ideas about what will draw people on sound principles that I understand fully and apply myself, not on storybooks and reading the news.

How do you know that people in social media are living in a selfie world? Is it because that is what you are doing? What I know is because I am doing and applying the things I speak about.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 07:27:33 [item 20923#53610]
I post very few pictures of myself.  The other day in a ~ 6000 person fire walk in Dallas ~ dozens people got burned – some reported that people were taking selfies & movies of the experience as a possible cause.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/06/24/dozens-burned-after-fire-walking-event-at-tony-robbins-seminar/
 
Seth 2016-06-28 07:49:18 [item 20923#53613]
yeah i can see how taking a selfie as you walk on the burning coals would not work laughing

but mark seems to have an subjective distaste for the current craze,  brought on by our prolific cameras,  of taking our own pictures and showing them publically.   me, i don’t have such a distaste.  feedback from others being aware of me is part of our consciousness.  it does not necessarily equate to narcissism.  marks internal distaste of that is just his own affair.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 07:58:51 [item 20923#53615]
Yep, that’s what Narcissus would say. laughing
Seth 2016-06-28 08:07:57 [item 20923#53617]
but i am not a narcissus and i said it, all mirth aside.  a narcissus has an obsessive love of themselves, especially their external appearance.  come on mark, that is not me, or you do not know me at all.
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:10:38 [item 20923#53619]
or perhaps you are in denial – more likely you have a strong desire to be one out in the public square. heart
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:12:19 [item 20923#53620]
N, otoh, is a full on hot-mess with himself. laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:17:20 [item 20923#53624]
I’m a hottie? Cool! I actually had that on my belief generation list lately … I am glad the multiverse is providing evidence of my belief growing, no matter from which direction or how slyly slipped in.   
Seth 2016-06-28 08:20:02 [item 20923#53626]
and you are a hottie Nathan … you should show more skin laughheart
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:33:25 [item 20923#53632]
Workin it!  
heart

Mark de LA says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 20:50:05 [item 20923#53588]
On the topic, I believe people will be drawn to tools that help them speak their mind. I agree that much social media is not on target with current needs, but not really because they encourage shallow interactions … I actually don’t think they do that. I think the current ones encourage rich interactions. I think what people are craving is a positive and forward moving experience.

Current social mediums tend to encourage negative interactions that keep people cycling in the same feelings, the same thoughts. People want to move forward. Forward movement requires new positive thoughts. Like attracts like.

In order for a medium to meet what people are craving in this time it will need to reward positive and progressive thinking and discourage thinking that keeps people doing the same thing over and over. People will be drawn to that!  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 23:09:31 [item 20923#53595]
People in social media are living a selfie world. The prophecies in Brave New World & Max Headroom are mostly complete. Thought control might be your thingy, not mine. Political correctness is such a form.  Anything obtains what anything wants if anything is awake .  OTOH, if not anything obtains what the power structure wants if anything is asleep. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 03:51:49 [item 20923#53596]
I believe people are progressing and on track. I believe in the rightness of all that is. Not in stories of degeneration and lack. I base my ideas about what will draw people on sound principles that I understand fully and apply myself, not on storybooks and reading the news.

How do you know that people in social media are living in a selfie world? Is it because that is what you are doing? What I know is because I am doing and applying the things I speak about.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 07:27:33 [item 20923#53610]
I post very few pictures of myself.  The other day in a ~ 6000 person fire walk in Dallas ~ dozens people got burned – some reported that people were taking selfies & movies of the experience as a possible cause.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/06/24/dozens-burned-after-fire-walking-event-at-tony-robbins-seminar/
 
Seth 2016-06-28 07:49:18 [item 20923#53613]
yeah i can see how taking a selfie as you walk on the burning coals would not work laughing

but mark seems to have an subjective distaste for the current craze,  brought on by our prolific cameras,  of taking our own pictures and showing them publically.   me, i don’t have such a distaste.  feedback from others being aware of me is part of our consciousness.  it does not necessarily equate to narcissism.  marks internal distaste of that is just his own affair.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 07:58:51 [item 20923#53615]
Yep, that’s what Narcissus would say. laughing
Seth 2016-06-28 08:07:57 [item 20923#53617]
but i am not a narcissus and i said it, all mirth aside.  a narcissus has an obsessive love of themselves, especially their external appearance.  come on mark, that is not me, or you do not know me at all.
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:10:38 [item 20923#53619]
or perhaps you are in denial – more likely you have a strong desire to be one out in the public square. heart
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:12:19 [item 20923#53620]
N, otoh, is a full on hot-mess with himself. laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:17:20 [item 20923#53624]
I’m a hottie? Cool! I actually had that on my belief generation list lately … I am glad the multiverse is providing evidence of my belief growing, no matter from which direction or how slyly slipped in.   
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:19:16 [item 20923#53625]
Then too the hottie thing is about/for yourself.  (just expressed btw) Check out the Narcissus mythology again. laughing
Seth 2016-06-28 08:21:38 [item 20923#53627]
i think there is a difference between awareness … er, consciousness …. and obsession. 
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:26:28 [item 20923#53629]
methinks you protest too much defending narcissism – must be coming out of a closet  – eh?laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:28:40 [item 20923#53630]
Very clearly a strong MME.
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:39:52 [item 20923#53635]
My dog commented in the last 2 days. She said there is regular shit & serious shit. Guess which one she assigns to this thread? laughing (photos un posed)  no turds were squashed for this presentation
Seth 2016-06-28 08:42:42 [item 20923#53637]
mark, why you shit in my room?  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:47:28 [item 20923#53641]
Actually it was humor for those who think their stuff is so fucking serious; especially selfies. I actually expected one of you to accuse me of taking self portraits. laughing
Seth 2016-06-28 08:49:49 [item 20923#53642]
but your shit is funny only to you!   Certainly you must know that by now. 
.. & your shit is only serious to you – certainly you must have gotten that by now, eh?

Seth says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:23:35 [item 20923#53628]
As I have said before, the selfie craze is an important step in our evolution.

We are learning to focus on ourselves. We are the center of our entire reality. We need to learn to own that, and learn to clean up our verses and thoughts creating it, then we will be ready to go back out and play more deeply with others. It is an important cycle to pass through and children today are doing a great job of it! They have the programming deep down to focus on self first and intuitively understand how to produce this consciousness shift as a culture.   
Seth 2016-06-28 09:04:41 [item 20923#53647]
hmmm
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 09:09:35 [item 20923#53649]
Much more important than selfies is the technology which allows the public to make government, police & the M$M more transparent. The establishment & the law needs to have eyes upon it.
coolthumbs up
and that is totally happening thumbs up

Seth says
Seth 2016-06-28 08:16:48 [item 20923#53623]
i think selfies is more just about awareness … it is an amplification of aspects of that.   and i think it is more caused by the availability of the tool, than from some internal desire of people.  the old, people don’t take selfies, smart phones do ← now that is funny laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:47:20 [item 20923#53640]
Well of course the appearance of the means (technology) is happening in parallel with the needs of our group consciousness. Things appear to meet the needs of the propensity of thought. This is always how evolution happens. Darwin saw it, but only on the physical side, it happens on both … always initiated by newborn desire and brought about by thoughts gaining momentum.

We want to become more aware of our self in relation to all that we experience … and so that is manifesting in many many ways … not just selfies, though they are very clearly one form of it working into our combined realities.
Seth 2016-06-28 08:57:29 [item 20923#53644]
well i agree it is part of our changing consciousness.   and not in the bad way that mark protrays it.  anything carried to an extreme can become a fixation or an obsession.   which obsessions are easily seen from the outside.  

for example i could read and reread that paragraph above … and the more id did the truer it would feel to me.   if i did that for an hour,  it would be so true to me that you would not even be able to talk to me about it
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:02:05 [item 20923#53646]
Yes! That is how beliefs happen, and can be engineered too!

Nearly all self help gurus push vision boards. They work like this and create beliefs.

And when we understand that beliefs are the foundations of our experience, then it all hangs together and makes sense and also gives us a platform from which to engineer our beliefs and thus affect our reality experience.  
Seth 2016-06-28 09:11:26 [item 20923#53650]
i guess you missed somewhere, perhaps in the other thought, how i do not change my beliefs by focusing on them internally like you do.   rather i change my beliefs by noticing what i experience which others experience too.

that is one way we are different.  or at least we keep saying that we are. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:17:46 [item 20923#53654]
I did reply to that exact thing (somewhere) and it was important too because you are there mis-characterizing how I do things. I explained the mis-representation in detail.

p.s. This is one of the areas the current TD system breaks down. I have some ideas on how to improve that.  
well i missed your direct response to that in that same context … too much static going on … so that particular train of thought has been lost.   it belongs in the contex of thought 21074 not here.

Seth says
Seth 2016-06-28 08:45:28 [item 20923#53639]
its a serious question.   What would you do, Mark,  if a person literally came in your bedroom and left those kind of turds there?  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:57:28 [item 20923#53643]
Folks, take whatever you feel about it & multiply it & that is how I feel when you graffiti some of my thoughts & turn them into shit after I put a lot of thought & effort into them. E.G. item 21017 .  Such was not my intent with the turds, do with them what you will.  Maybe send it all to group pellick
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:32:35 [item 20923#53660]
This was an excellent post. The pointer to the thought which does not exist thought 21017 for me (is it private?) allowed me to fix that case in 3.0 so that it does a useful thing!  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 09:39:48 [item 20923#53663]
yes that & untangling the nest in very long comment threads would improve the experience here.  I can imagine the way it is now would turn off newbies or really make it hard for 10 people to contribute on one thought. 
thumbs up 
some days I would like to take a somment & send it by itself to group pellick laughing
yes comments and comment trains should have motility in their own right.

and sorting out where there are more than two people talking in the same thread,  needs of a brilliant solution.

Si says
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-27 20:50:05 [item 20923#53588]
On the topic, I believe people will be drawn to tools that help them speak their mind. I agree that much social media is not on target with current needs, but not really because they encourage shallow interactions … I actually don’t think they do that. I think the current ones encourage rich interactions. I think what people are craving is a positive and forward moving experience.

Current social mediums tend to encourage negative interactions that keep people cycling in the same feelings, the same thoughts. People want to move forward. Forward movement requires new positive thoughts. Like attracts like.

In order for a medium to meet what people are craving in this time it will need to reward positive and progressive thinking and discourage thinking that keeps people doing the same thing over and over. People will be drawn to that!  
Mark de LA 2016-06-27 23:09:31 [item 20923#53595]
People in social media are living a selfie world. The prophecies in Brave New World & Max Headroom are mostly complete. Thought control might be your thingy, not mine. Political correctness is such a form.  Anything obtains what anything wants if anything is awake .  OTOH, if not anything obtains what the power structure wants if anything is asleep. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 03:51:49 [item 20923#53596]
I believe people are progressing and on track. I believe in the rightness of all that is. Not in stories of degeneration and lack. I base my ideas about what will draw people on sound principles that I understand fully and apply myself, not on storybooks and reading the news.

How do you know that people in social media are living in a selfie world? Is it because that is what you are doing? What I know is because I am doing and applying the things I speak about.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 07:27:33 [item 20923#53610]
I post very few pictures of myself.  The other day in a ~ 6000 person fire walk in Dallas ~ dozens people got burned – some reported that people were taking selfies & movies of the experience as a possible cause.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/06/24/dozens-burned-after-fire-walking-event-at-tony-robbins-seminar/
 
Seth 2016-06-28 07:49:18 [item 20923#53613]
yeah i can see how taking a selfie as you walk on the burning coals would not work laughing

but mark seems to have an subjective distaste for the current craze,  brought on by our prolific cameras,  of taking our own pictures and showing them publically.   me, i don’t have such a distaste.  feedback from others being aware of me is part of our consciousness.  it does not necessarily equate to narcissism.  marks internal distaste of that is just his own affair.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 07:58:51 [item 20923#53615]
Yep, that’s what Narcissus would say. laughing
Seth 2016-06-28 08:07:57 [item 20923#53617]
but i am not a narcissus and i said it, all mirth aside.  a narcissus has an obsessive love of themselves, especially their external appearance.  come on mark, that is not me, or you do not know me at all.
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:10:38 [item 20923#53619]
or perhaps you are in denial – more likely you have a strong desire to be one out in the public square. heart
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:12:19 [item 20923#53620]
N, otoh, is a full on hot-mess with himself. laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:17:20 [item 20923#53624]
I’m a hottie? Cool! I actually had that on my belief generation list lately … I am glad the multiverse is providing evidence of my belief growing, no matter from which direction or how slyly slipped in.   
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:19:16 [item 20923#53625]
Then too the hottie thing is about/for yourself.  (just expressed btw) Check out the Narcissus mythology again. laughing
Seth 2016-06-28 08:21:38 [item 20923#53627]
i think there is a difference between awareness … er, consciousness …. and obsession. 
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:26:28 [item 20923#53629]
methinks you protest too much defending narcissism – must be coming out of a closet  – eh?laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:28:40 [item 20923#53630]
Very clearly a strong MME.
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:39:52 [item 20923#53635]
My dog commented in the last 2 days. She said there is regular shit & serious shit. Guess which one she assigns to this thread? laughing (photos un posed)  no turds were squashed for this presentation
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:41:35 [item 20923#53636]
Cool! That’s actual mirth, not MME. (it is not a masked attack … but an open and truly humorous one) Love it!  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:42:42 [item 20923#53638]
branding your MME is regular shit. (mini – rwg)
It is targeted specifically to help you recognize when you think you are mirthing but in fact have a misplaced a stealth attack as pure merth.

This is not RWG, I am very open about my intent. RWG is on the down low, not direct. You can take the feedback well and it will really help you clean up you act here, or not. That is all your choice and I recognize and acknowledge it. You may be affected by it unconsciously in a positive way no matter what your conscious mind does with it too! (I am open about that as well).

Si says
Seth 2016-06-28 08:45:28 [item 20923#53639]
its a serious question.   What would you do, Mark,  if a person literally came in your bedroom and left those kind of turds there?  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:57:28 [item 20923#53643]
Folks, take whatever you feel about it & multiply it & that is how I feel when you graffiti some of my thoughts & turn them into shit after I put a lot of thought & effort into them. E.G. item 21017 .  Such was not my intent with the turds, do with them what you will.  Maybe send it all to group pellick
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:32:35 [item 20923#53660]
This was an excellent post. The pointer to the thought which does not exist thought 21017 for me (is it private?) allowed me to fix that case in 3.0 so that it does a useful thing!  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 09:39:48 [item 20923#53663]
yes that & untangling the nest in very long comment threads would improve the experience here.  I can imagine the way it is now would turn off newbies or really make it hard for 10 people to contribute on one thought. 
thumbs up 
some days I would like to take a somment & send it by itself to group pellick laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:45:39 [item 20923#53664]
The long standing plan is to do threading exactly like FB does it. It is not perfect with lots of people, but better than what we have and all the other attempts I have seen out there end up being messier in one way or another. FB style seems the best model out there right now.

3.0 is asynchronous and will allow implementing FB style comments when I feel the urge or discover nickels.
Seth 2016-06-28 09:56:38 [item 20923#53667]
i could probably find some little nickels in the bottom of my own pocket … but larger coins that might be truly encouraging don’t appear to want to happen.   then too time goes its petty pace … when the 6 months i already paid for the server expires, the cost of the inmotion server is going to explode to  more than speaktomecatalog can support.  just some  circumstances that we all must share.  even mark.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 10:01:22 [item 20923#53669]
Good to know. What is the explosion date?
Seth 2016-06-28 10:12:24 [item 20923#53672]
i’d need to look it up, but i think it is sometime between October 2016, and january 2017.
 
?

Seth says
Seth 2016-06-28 08:16:48 [item 20923#53623]
i think selfies is more just about awareness … it is an amplification of aspects of that.   and i think it is more caused by the availability of the tool, than from some internal desire of people.  the old, people don’t take selfies, smart phones do ← now that is funny laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:47:20 [item 20923#53640]
Well of course the appearance of the means (technology) is happening in parallel with the needs of our group consciousness. Things appear to meet the needs of the propensity of thought. This is always how evolution happens. Darwin saw it, but only on the physical side, it happens on both … always initiated by newborn desire and brought about by thoughts gaining momentum.

We want to become more aware of our self in relation to all that we experience … and so that is manifesting in many many ways … not just selfies, though they are very clearly one form of it working into our combined realities.
Seth 2016-06-28 08:57:29 [item 20923#53644]
well i agree it is part of our changing consciousness.   and not in the bad way that mark protrays it.  anything carried to an extreme can become a fixation or an obsession.   which obsessions are easily seen from the outside.  

for example i could read and reread that paragraph above … and the more id did the truer it would feel to me.   if i did that for an hour,  it would be so true to me that you would not even be able to talk to me about it
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:02:05 [item 20923#53646]
Yes! That is how beliefs happen, and can be engineered too!

Nearly all self help gurus push vision boards. They work like this and create beliefs.

And when we understand that beliefs are the foundations of our experience, then it all hangs together and makes sense and also gives us a platform from which to engineer our beliefs and thus affect our reality experience.  
Seth 2016-06-28 09:11:26 [item 20923#53650]
i guess you missed somewhere, perhaps in the other thought, how i do not change my beliefs by focusing on them internally like you do.   rather i change my beliefs by noticing what i experience which others experience too.

that is one way we are different.  or at least we keep saying that we are. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:17:46 [item 20923#53654]
I did reply to that exact thing (somewhere) and it was important too because you are there mis-characterizing how I do things. I explained the mis-representation in detail.

p.s. This is one of the areas the current TD system breaks down. I have some ideas on how to improve that.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 09:21:46 [item 20923#53656]
If you don’t like the results of your belief system it is possible to change your beliefs.  The TR thingy on questions is a simple one. Otherwise let the world do it to you. Passive or active – who knows, who cares? Your choice anyway. 
Seth 2016-06-28 10:28:18 [item 20923#53676]
my  choice is not:   i change my beliefs (by whatever means),  … or…  I let the world change them.   rather I make that choice one way now and another way later.   i find it to be a dynamic spiral that is just as amazing and mysterious as life itself.   i hate it when people imply it is some binary singular choice or method.   sorry, i have much more love of my life to swallow that.
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 10:29:39 [item 20923#53677]
Never said it was binary – kinda the “your choice anyway” thingy.
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 10:34:00 [item 20923#53679]
I agree that choices that affect the reality experience are not binary. In fact, the more you utilize excitement in your choices the more living, amazing, and mysterious they become! What might be more mysterious than what is at the other end of that excitement you feel? And knowing that it is your inner guidance that is feeding you that directional information makes it more enticing, because you know it will also be in your best interest as well as really cool or fun to you!
thumbs up hmmm ...

Mark de LA says
Seth 2016-06-28 08:45:28 [item 20923#53639]
its a serious question.   What would you do, Mark,  if a person literally came in your bedroom and left those kind of turds there?  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:57:28 [item 20923#53643]
Folks, take whatever you feel about it & multiply it & that is how I feel when you graffiti some of my thoughts & turn them into shit after I put a lot of thought & effort into them. E.G. item 21017 .  Such was not my intent with the turds, do with them what you will.  Maybe send it all to group pellick
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:32:35 [item 20923#53660]
This was an excellent post. The pointer to the thought which does not exist thought 21017 for me (is it private?) allowed me to fix that case in 3.0 so that it does a useful thing!  
Seth 2016-06-28 09:39:35 [item 20923#53662]
yeah at least the system should say it is a private thought … and i think it shoud say that it is mark’s private thought.

i remember the thought well … it was mark’s about chunking time … and he went beyond that in a way that was still unclear to me … mostly because he made it private and refused to elaborate what was deep inside him that he vaguly hinted at … or at least that is what got stuck in my memory.   but i do not understand his apparent pain in its regard … maybe because i am not him laugh
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:53:27 [item 20923#53666]
I take the opposite side. Private is private. Even knowing it exists is partial divulging of it, not to mention an invitation to try and hack it if you think your girlfriend is cheating on you! Better to let private be truly private or at least only one of many possibilities.

My current dialog reads:

”Thought is private or does not exist. Returning you to where you were before.”
Seth 2016-06-28 10:10:24 [item 20923#53671]
that’s fine.

i think people these days have become obsessed with privacy … and i understand their fear … i just don’t share it.   i value honestly and transparency far more than my fear of being seen.   i think if others let their insides honestly come out for all to see,  our cousciousness would expand by leaps and bounds.  unfortunately that thought does not seem to get any traction in the world. 
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 10:28:12 [item 20923#53675]
It was not about privacy but the RWG. 
I posted this as my last comment before going private/draft

Since none of your folks got my wallaby & since you went in entirely different directions & Nate called me names showing how phoney he is about his own RWG & since this is a magnet for such due to your missing the point of the thought I am making it private AND draft. thumbs down

Seth 2016-06-28 10:33:02 [item 20923#53678]
yes i remember that well mark.   but i don’t think RWG was why your wallaby ended up being a wet noodle.  or was it ? … i truly do not know.
Nate makes wet-noodle wallibies – I don’t. I made mine as clear as language works for a first draft hoping that it might gather some external insite.  It gathered more confusion & rwg. That’s all there is to it.

Seth says
Seth 2016-06-28 08:45:28 [item 20923#53639]
its a serious question.   What would you do, Mark,  if a person literally came in your bedroom and left those kind of turds there?  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 08:57:28 [item 20923#53643]
Folks, take whatever you feel about it & multiply it & that is how I feel when you graffiti some of my thoughts & turn them into shit after I put a lot of thought & effort into them. E.G. item 21017 .  Such was not my intent with the turds, do with them what you will.  Maybe send it all to group pellick
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:32:35 [item 20923#53660]
This was an excellent post. The pointer to the thought which does not exist thought 21017 for me (is it private?) allowed me to fix that case in 3.0 so that it does a useful thing!  
Seth 2016-06-28 09:39:35 [item 20923#53662]
yeah at least the system should say it is a private thought … and i think it shoud say that it is mark’s private thought.

i remember the thought well … it was mark’s about chunking time … and he went beyond that in a way that was still unclear to me … mostly because he made it private and refused to elaborate what was deep inside him that he vaguly hinted at … or at least that is what got stuck in my memory.   but i do not understand his apparent pain in its regard … maybe because i am not him laugh
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:53:27 [item 20923#53666]
I take the opposite side. Private is private. Even knowing it exists is partial divulging of it, not to mention an invitation to try and hack it if you think your girlfriend is cheating on you! Better to let private be truly private or at least only one of many possibilities.

My current dialog reads:

”Thought is private or does not exist. Returning you to where you were before.”
Seth 2016-06-28 10:10:24 [item 20923#53671]
that’s fine.

i think people these days have become obsessed with privacy … and i understand their fear … i just don’t share it.   i value honestly and transparency far more than my fear of being seen.   i think if others let their insides honestly come out for all to see,  our cousciousness would expand by leaps and bounds.  unfortunately that thought does not seem to get any traction in the world. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 10:21:11 [item 20923#53673]
It will be like that eventually. The obsession with privacy is the negative side of the selfie craze (all things have two sides of expression). We are culturally learning about self and the self relationship to the reality experience. That makes many more acutely aware of self and can make one more aware of one’s own privacy. As the full realization cycles and people start becoming comfortable with the realization that they are creating the experience they are having, are the center of it completely, then the acute self awareness will wane and people will more authentic with each other in many ways.  

When you really get that your experience comes from you then you stop worrying about a lot of things. You replace that energy with being excited about choosing from the buffet of otherness what you want!
Seth 2016-06-28 11:03:25 [item 20923#53688]
thing is, at the level of detail that you are describing, “what you are, or are not”  … (or from my point of view) what I am … what is the boundary of my ego is not the simple thing that your language seems to imply.   so that when you say,  “people start becoming comfortable with the realization that they are creating the experience they are having”  the distinction of what they are … or that they are not … has been left too vague to make the sentence true for me.  for  there are many beings .. having their cycles and circles and boundaries here interacting … not just that which you seem to claim for yourself.  so i would write the sentence, “humanity is creating the experience it is having” and that sentence would ring truer and truer as i read and reread it.   in fact, i am glad you said it surprise (er in your own way of course) … i have been trying to say that myself for some time and couldn’t find the words smug thumbs up
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 11:13:37 [item 20923#53690]
Yes, humanity is creating the experience it is having. I agree with that too! It is only that traditionally we look at the direction as humanity first, individual second, where truly it is the other way around. Each individual is always first in the happening chain and has the primary measure of control over their own experience. What they experience of humanity is then what they include of all possible otherness, by default - unconsciously, or directly. We create our reality experience, and upon those we co-create the humanity experience. There is not one humanity experience we are all subject to.
well lots of that is as broad as it is long … and any story will do. 

in any case …. i certainly agree that each individual is the center  of there own experience and will naturally prioritize that .. and that we co-create that which we experience as humanity … or more importantly the smaller groups of us with whom we strongly interact. 

to me, you seem to wrap yourself in a bubble of invulnerability and invincibility … insolating  yourself from the rest of us.  we could go into examples if you don’t know what i mean.   but i don’t do that … or at least i try not to.  i think that is the biggest difference in our philosophies.

Seth says
Seth 2016-06-28 08:16:48 [item 20923#53623]
i think selfies is more just about awareness … it is an amplification of aspects of that.   and i think it is more caused by the availability of the tool, than from some internal desire of people.  the old, people don’t take selfies, smart phones do ← now that is funny laughing
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 08:47:20 [item 20923#53640]
Well of course the appearance of the means (technology) is happening in parallel with the needs of our group consciousness. Things appear to meet the needs of the propensity of thought. This is always how evolution happens. Darwin saw it, but only on the physical side, it happens on both … always initiated by newborn desire and brought about by thoughts gaining momentum.

We want to become more aware of our self in relation to all that we experience … and so that is manifesting in many many ways … not just selfies, though they are very clearly one form of it working into our combined realities.
Seth 2016-06-28 08:57:29 [item 20923#53644]
well i agree it is part of our changing consciousness.   and not in the bad way that mark protrays it.  anything carried to an extreme can become a fixation or an obsession.   which obsessions are easily seen from the outside.  

for example i could read and reread that paragraph above … and the more id did the truer it would feel to me.   if i did that for an hour,  it would be so true to me that you would not even be able to talk to me about it
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:02:05 [item 20923#53646]
Yes! That is how beliefs happen, and can be engineered too!

Nearly all self help gurus push vision boards. They work like this and create beliefs.

And when we understand that beliefs are the foundations of our experience, then it all hangs together and makes sense and also gives us a platform from which to engineer our beliefs and thus affect our reality experience.  
Seth 2016-06-28 09:11:26 [item 20923#53650]
i guess you missed somewhere, perhaps in the other thought, how i do not change my beliefs by focusing on them internally like you do.   rather i change my beliefs by noticing what i experience which others experience too.

that is one way we are different.  or at least we keep saying that we are. 
Ranger Tigger 2016-06-28 09:17:46 [item 20923#53654]
I did reply to that exact thing (somewhere) and it was important too because you are there mis-characterizing how I do things. I explained the mis-representation in detail.

p.s. This is one of the areas the current TD system breaks down. I have some ideas on how to improve that.  
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 09:21:46 [item 20923#53656]
If you don’t like the results of your belief system it is possible to change your beliefs.  The TR thingy on questions is a simple one. Otherwise let the world do it to you. Passive or active – who knows, who cares? Your choice anyway. 
Seth 2016-06-28 10:28:18 [item 20923#53676]
my  choice is not:   i change my beliefs (by whatever means),  … or…  I let the world change them.   rather I make that choice one way now and another way later.   i find it to be a dynamic spiral that is just as amazing and mysterious as life itself.   i hate it when people imply it is some binary singular choice or method.   sorry, i have much more love of my life to swallow that.
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 10:29:39 [item 20923#53677]
Never said it was binary – kinda the “your choice anyway” thingy.
Seth 2016-06-28 10:35:11 [item 20923#53680]
good then we are in agreement on that smug … nor is there just one method. 
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 10:45:46 [item 20923#53685]
a straw-bozo?
Seth 2016-06-28 11:36:17 [item 20923#53692]
huh?   we agree that it is not a binary choice.  why does “straw-bozo” mean in that context?
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 11:41:59 [item 20923#53694]
sort of like a strawman constructed to yield a particular outcome funnel you desire only owned by you.
Seth 2016-06-28 11:46:24 [item 20923#53695]
sorry i don’t get that.   to me it was a simple case of “i told you”,  then “you told me” the same thing … so i noticed that we agreed. 
Mark de LA 2016-06-28 11:50:28 [item 20923#53696]
Well maybe i am in error – doesn’t mean much to me one way or the other. I have no brownie points to give back. crying
heart none are required happy

Seth says

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