Apple Juice - comment 57236

Seth says ...
one trick i have noticed is that if you take gallon jugs to a apple pressing you end up with more juice for yourself.   but  this may be just a superstition. 

incidentally this was a very tong in cheek comment null

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Si says
Superstitions are often the appearance of one persons experience in another persons reality.  

Mark de LA says
Since you brought it up I will submit a definition which aligns more to what I mean with the word – sorta LOA. null
superstition (n.) Look up superstition at Dictionary.com
early 13c., "false religious belief; irrational faith in supernatural powers," from Latin superstitionem (nominative superstitio) "prophecy, soothsaying; dread of the supernatural, excessive fear of the gods, religious belief based on fear or ignorance and considered incompatible with truth or reason," literally "a standing over," noun of action from past participle stem of superstare "stand on or over; survive," from super "above" (see super-) + stare "to stand," from PIE root *stā- "to stand" (see stet). 

There are many theories to explain the Latin sense development, but none has yet been generally accepted; de Vaan suggests the sense is "cause to remain in existence." Originally in English especially of religion; sense of "unreasonable notion" is from 1794.

Mark de LA says
supernatural cause/effect, eh?null

Si says
That’s not exactly the aspect I was referring to. I’ll fork it and explain better later.  

Seth says
well this is my analysis … these things happen ….

1) First there are coincidences.  Things are noticed happening.

2) people get a gestalts and tell stories about the coincidences and claim their predictive ability

3) people believe the story and/or the predictions (or not)

4) if you don’t believe the story and/or that it predicted occurrences, then you call it a “superstition”

Mark de LA says
I’ll go with the dictionary, thesaurii & etymology. null 

Seth says
the dictionary definition presumes that a “superstition” tells a story that has no predictive value … and/or is false.   kind of pulls its punch as it were.

i would rather approach a study of coincidence and the stories we tell and believe about them from a more objective perspective.

Mark de LA says
like munging the words superstition & coincidence together instead of treating them like separate words? null

Si says
The simple google “define superstition” comes up with a definition that much better matches the context here … and is the definition I was thinking of when I said “Superstitions are often the appearance of one persons experience in another persons reality.

Don’t know where @mark came up with his, but it doesn’t seem to well fit modern times, more like what the definition might have been 500 years ago?

su·per·sti·tion
ˌso͞opərˈstiSH(ə)n/
noun
  1. excessively credulous belief in and reverence for supernatural beings.
    "he dismissed the ghost stories as mere superstition"
    synonyms: unfounded belief, credulityfallacydelusionillusion; More
    • a widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event, or a practice based on such a belief.
      "she touched her locket for luck, a superstition she had had since childhood"
      synonyms: mythbeliefold wives’ tale; More

Mark de LA says
Like I said if you bothered to follow the link I gave you a run on the modern power thesaurus & the etymology (derivation of the word from its origins) at the etymology online. But go find yourselves a dictionary that you like & munge it into a few other words that make you feel right about yourselves. null
Never found N’s def before. 

Si says
Well, as I said, my def comes from putting “define superstition” directly into the google chrome url bar. Is not that the most NOW definition one could get? When you do that it displays the definition as the first search result.

Mark de LA says
I’m glad you feel right about it! null

Mark de LA says
nice alias for this group might be group fork masturbators

Si says
Is that a smear on the group name, or the need for the group, slightly masked as attempted humor? null

Because that is what it feels like.

Mark de LA says
XOR maybe something else.  Apparently I can’t create a group anymore. So you folks have created a group to shove others material somewhere else & talk about it. Getting closer these days to the troglodyte-thelemite dichotomy. Anyway – would still like to see some of this stuff & behavior discussed on G+ or Facebook with others. 
The humorless can start laughing now …. (times up!) null

Si says
Why can’t you create a group? I just created that one the normal way, and the gossip group the other day. Both seemd to work fine.

Mark de LA says
It gives me the following message while I am in group mark and do the create a new group thingy


Si says
Okay. Thanks for the excellent info on that. I think I found it. Try it now. Thanks!
SeriTD and facilitating your changes to your reality

Mark de LA says

Seth says
could you tell me more about how these gestalts often seem to be “the appearance of one persons experience in another persons reality” to you?