thought 23251 - comment 74736

Seth says ...
well that confusion is not my guiding light when i contribute to this group. 

For me politics is the art of getting things  to happen among people … 
an art that is near and dear to my heat null

I will contribute to this group no more under your banner.

cc mark, nathan

As many great thinkers who have talked about politics have indicated, politics simply does not work as it is idealized, like in seth’s idealism above.

There is a very good reason for this.

Politics is a whole system of trying to change things outside that rightfully are meant to be changed inside.

dA

What people should be doing is going outside to gain ideas, and to enjoy exploring with others, and to participate in brainstorming. All of the exploring and discovering is meant to be done out there, in the world of man. Then, one should go inside to “make the actual changes”. Attempting to make these kinds of changes outside is not in sync with the nature of reality and at best “indirect”. That is why politics so easily fails and so easily stalls. Politics, as practiced today, is not a system built upon how reality actually happens, how it naturally flows. 

Politics is an attempt to change the image in the mirror by manipulating what is in the mirror itself.

dA

The natural order of reality is to “go outside to observe and enjoy and learn” and then to “go inside to change and heal and prepare”. It is a natural rhythm, like breathing, and when one finds this natural rhythm, all things flow forward easily … and so will all the things man tries to do through politics. The whole rhythm together, as a complete cycle, is the art of #doing … and if practiced this way, would be the art of “true politics” … and would become seth’s ideal –  “The art of the Possible”  

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Also maybe read Otto von Bismark’s biography in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck & include Realpolitk in your research. 

Perhaps a natural Politician? Understanding intuitively the complete cycle of #doing?

More like a conqueror – Hitler (a doer)  had more tools though. 

was a conservative Prussian statesman who dominated German and European affairs from the 1860s until 1890. In the 1860s, he engineered a series of wars that unified the German states, significantly and deliberately excluding Austria, into a powerful German Empire under Prussian leadership. With that accomplished by 1871, he skillfully used balance of power diplomacy to maintain Germany‚Äôs position in a Europe which, despite many disputes and war scares, remained at peace. For historian Eric Hobsbawm, it was Bismarck who "remained undisputed world champion at the game of multilateral diplomatic chess for almost twenty years after 1871, [and] devoted himself exclusively, and successfully, to maintaining peace between the powers."[2]

In 1862, King Wilhelm I appointed Bismarck as Minister President of Prussia, a position he would hold until 1890 (except for a short break in 1873). He provoked three short, decisive wars against DenmarkAustria, and France, aligning the smaller German states behind Prussia in its defeat of France. In 1871, he formed the German Empire with himself as Chancellor, while retaining control of Prussia. His diplomacy of realpolitik and powerful rule at home gained him the nickname the "Iron Chancellor." German unification and its rapid economic growth was the foundation to his foreign policy. He disliked colonialism but reluctantly built an overseas empire when it was demanded by both elite and mass opinion


Okay. I am not such a history buff. I am more into what is happening now. That is where my joy of focus lays.

Some people are naturally good at the whole cycle of doing and are thus great natural leaders. Others are naturally good at dominating with will (the out breath) and become effective dictators.

I leave it to others to judge what these men you speak of are.

Also, while this was going on in Europe, the USA was having it’s Civil War. And, eventually RS was beginning to spread the threefold commonwealth ideas to avoid what economic caused wars.  And George Santayana is to have said: 

Santayana is popularly known for aphorisms, such as "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it", "Only the dead have seen the end of war", and the definition of beauty as "pleasure objectified".

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