Trump's moral confusion
Transcript of Trump’s “unhinged” press conference in the Atlantic.
except that i do not ignore the cause/effect #representative waves of karma … i connect those dots as i will with my story which i tell in sync or cacophony even with yours. as best that i can i parse out independent cause even from the ripples which #represent it … and avoid comparing and conflating independent causes. The #AltLeft violence opposing #neoFacist is not to be compared with the agenda thrust of the #AltRight. They are not morally equivalent … rather there is a moral choice between them. They are two independent causes. Pick your side and live with it. Equating them is to perpetuate the #fallacy of #TuQuoque … a #propoganda statement that you and your friend #Trump do as if it was just okay even thought it is tantamont to moral confusion.
Nothing you said related to my points:
Truman distrusted regular soldiers and selected two National Guardsmen, Harry H. Vaughan and Louis H. Renfrow, as his military aides. Truman once remarked that he did not understand how the US Army could "produce men such as Robert E. Lee, John J. Pershing, Eisenhower and Bradley and at the same time produce Custers, Pattons and MacArthur."
North Korea –
Truman, democrat president from the south (Missouri) included Robert E. Lee as example of good generals.
You just ran your shit.
Parse out different causes and deal with them (respect them) independently of each other … then me thinks more clarity will emerge … er along with more agreement and less turbulent fighting creating just #static and painful feeling against others and even violence.
certainly Truman fireing McAuthor was related in some way in your mind to these statue removals being perpetrated by the #AltLeft which is stimulating the adgenda of the #AltRight … the media and even the republican leadership is telling an alternative story than is #Trump and the AltRitht. We do have two narratives going here. Me i do not side with #facist movements in America. I will stand clearly and unappoligically against them. You do what you will.
I call that #lumpism … opposing #facism in contemporary America is a pure cause that is not casually connected to anarchists and anti capitalist … those associations to antifa are made by the #facists. I oppose #facism in America, yet i do not oppose capitalism, nor do i support anarchy. But sure these things get all mixed up in the narrative … which is why i speak to keep them separate.
Anti-fascist groups have long protested globalization in Europe. These days in the U.S., antifa protestors are often bound by an opposition to capitalism. Some may also describe themselves as anarchists, people who question authority on principle.
in other words quit scrabbling and making #MisAssociations of others #signs. Seek instead for the original associations of those people using them … er, do not call what you know i call “white”, “black” just because it sounds cute and titillates you to your core.
You knit the dots (#signs) together in the inside context of your mind … er, obviously i do the same. Expecting to lift a concept deep inside my mind and have it ring true over there in your mind takes an effort and will to #sync and #agree … as opposed to an effort to defend those connections which are only inside yourself and mock and insult those which are otherness.
Indeterminacy of translation. The indeterminacy of translation is a thesis propounded by 20th-century American analytic philosopher W. V. Quine. ... The last of these, not discussed here, refers to Quine’s assessment that evidence alone does not dictate the choice of a scientific theory.
Also reason is a lie; for there is a factor infinite & unknown; & all their words are skew-wise.
guess which part of a #sign is the map … (is the #representation) … and which is that which cannot lie. but it is not so much a lie, as merely a relfection of something within a peculiar context … er, usually a relfection of something inside your being which is really outside your being. you certainly can manipulate the reflection but it may, or may not, match what is actually happening outside … which, me thinks, is why #ac called such a manipulation of a symbol, a lie.
I am on a quest to determine now what the prefix alt- means.
Perhaps the problem in #M$ocialMedia is the public has forgotten the being human aspect & just undertaken the #M$M version of #Alt-Human – #DefiningDeviancyDown (XOR Up) to their special interest group levels. (***)
WOW! #stuff entered the fray on Wikipedia here. Xand here.
If I guessed it would have evolved from the old pre-Html days of email discussion groups (usenet) – a lot of them using alt…. prefixes on their name. They functioned similar to twitter. At that time the alt signified that the main root of a name had already ben used. e.g. if there was a group named horseshit then one could create another named alt.horseshit.
“Alt” is now being use for “Alternative”. Trump trying to propose the consensus of America spoke of the #AltLeft the first time i heard it … morally equating the #AltLeft with the #AltRight … saying that violently opposing #facism was just as morally unacceptable as the #facism itself. He did not speak for me.
“Defining Deviancy Down” (or up) is an interesting concept to use here … one context or mind (perhaps an old one) being forced to apply to a contemporary context or mind set. But you cannot go home again … you cannot step in the same place in a river more than once. You do not get outside of your own mind (er without expanding it to others). For me these are all different examples of the same phenomena … a phenomena that you seem yet to notice … and so you mock it whenever it crops up.
A lot of people have nothing to do in the long hot summer besides occupy their minds with alt.horseshit - the mainstream media & twitter likewise. It is called meme & illusion spinning. My Rx is to ignore the news & think of warm puppies!
I guess some people just want organic, farm-to-table, fair-trade, gender-neutral, automated robot space-communism. I want to be free.
Your first sentence proposed a context (or mind set) from which you apparently wanted these matters to be “considerd” …
but that is not a coherent context or mind set which i would ever adopt. Perahps you knew that … perhaps you wished me to identify with it (or oppose it) … i do neither … because that context itself is just total propaganda.
Not willing to look history xor aligning with those who want to destroy it (ISIS, … ) & #MakeShitUpmark
p.s. such eventually reverts back to the jungle (witness today’s happenings all over the news) – yea!
#WoopieShit survival of the fittest ! –
Look at memeorandum today or even Durdge or what respected Republicans are saying … the narrative is changing. The only question being what Trump will do to distract his sheep from the growing shouts from the other side which will, if left to themselve, eventually drown out his whatever positive for America he can say or do.
My real point to you is not actually about Trump’s moral bancrupcy. It is about using the arguing tactic of diverting the subject of focus to win, in your own eyes, an argument. But that never ever really contrubutes to the conversation … rather it disrespects the conversation itself. I sure wish that you would realize that using that tactic will never contribute to a greater consciousness between us.
See: Free Speech
The consciousness of America has, long ago, accepted that no race (or class) should dominate or suppress another. The #AltRight wants to change that. Trump should be clear which side of that consciousness he stands, with no diversion or distraction. He should speak for the nation in that regard … or be soundly rejected by America as its spokesman. #imho, of course.
I DON’T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT RACE! IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM THAT IS A HUMAN PROBLEM THEN I CAN GIVE A CRAP. OTHERWISE YOU FOLKS ARE JUST …… WAIT FOR IT
alternatively i have no idea what you are telling me to do … sorry, it tastes oogey like a strange concoction of scrambled eggs which only has a tangey taste in the context of a markonian mind.
← fiss Saag with a Strawberry Lassi at BombayGirll, Boise Idaho as i make this comment.
well the problem with your “being human & suffering all the slings & arrows of outrageous fortune of ALL HUMANS at once” is that it is impossible to do and logically contradicts one of the very essences of being human” which is that each of us is unique and individual … we do not duplicate each other and to the extent that we express our unique individual beings is the very extent to which we are expressing the ultimate of “being human”. The same goes for each one of our groups whether ethnic, racial, political, religious, military, or educational. What we do when we are being human cannot really be generalized the way you propose without destroying its very essance.
Picture, if you will, a intricate 3d puzzle made up with tiny pieces each balanced and fitting perfectly with each other, to hold in tension an intricate tapresy, a panaramic view of some expanse. Now ask how easy it would be to just lift out one piece from on such a puzzle and just plop it in another and have it support the same expansive view. Well i am saying that the essence of your mind to my mind is of the nature of that intricate and unique distinctness. More so than is customarily imagined. So when you say, “Just glamorize being human” … “focus on that which is similar between us” … i say, well shucks that is not the essence of my being relative to your being that optains.
Actually it is the distinction process that is prone to finding uniqueness . Then too, in politics especially, it is identity process which tries to erase it. ← play with that for a while!
and now i start my trip back to Renton.
it’s interesting to note that the deeper one goes into an individual’s mind (sprit, soul, being … whatever) the more that mind will be different than any other … the closer one gets to the surface where things are already matched up with others, the more the mind will be similar.
now back in Renton on my big Mac
so the over arching #humaity being (#Leviathan) is knit together by the weaker force coming from outside each of us via imagination and empathy and reason, rather than from direct engagement of feeling.
& then there was Strom Thermond who was confused & lastly switched parties to Republican.
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strangely enough you saying that is even an example of the story that i am telling here … this gestalt is too deep inside me, for it to make any sense to you way inside yourself. the pieces are too finely balanced deep in my mind to be lifted and fall in place deep inside yours.
me, i rarely say the same thing a second time … rather i try to say it better and in different contexts.
i would prefer if you tried to get it … rather than ragging on me for expressing it. i guess you know already that is the #fallacy of interaction called #AdHominem … and as interaction goes, does not move us away from #static
The difference to each individual person of what comes from deep inside from that which comes from the otherness of outside is something that might be a bit new even to you … me, i have never heard it talked about in our culture … but that does not mean that it is not significant.
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– wikipedia Ochlocracy
Cholos often drive low riders.
A farcical example of a cholo from the movies is Cheech, from Cheech and Chong.
Rather i am talking about why these propositions hit you internally so very different than they hit me. We could be talking about any subject … the subject matter does not matter to what i am saying.
If you want to get back on focus with me start back here ….
this gestalt is too deep inside me, for it to make any sense to you way inside yourself. the pieces are too finely balanced deep in my mind to be lifted and fall in place deep inside yours.seth above
but starting way back there in this thought i started talking about the inside-person/outside-human (#Leviathan) predicament itself … rather than about trump … trump being just an exemplar subject matter. to understand the significance of what i am saying engage with that … forget about trump.
know in advance that your usual, “no longer interested” response will fall on the floor of my mind
XOR they are members of the Ochlocracy
it cannot be done unilaterally … the other needs to listen.
that it does not happening frequently, and perhaps not here, is not surprising.
to grock another one needs to appreciate … even respect … its unique #specificity …
rather than intending only to wipe it out.seth
question: what is malleable in your case, your #insides or your #outsides?
#btw i had no knowledge or intention to malign that with which you identify. just probing to understand … something that you frequently do yourself, eh … to share deapth, we really cannot be oversly sensitive … which even goes for surfacy political correctness, eh?
if it is secret from it’s environment, it is “occult” to that environment … there is no difference in my ontology. you did explicitidly say it was secret in no uncertain terms.
and i always understand in my ontology …
so i necessarily “redo in my words”.
your “thanks” in this case being necessarily irrelevant.
in your ontology
me in mine.seth