March 10, 2016 by Mark de LA
LILIPOH is a magazine which provides a lot of views of the Anthroposophical & aligned communities going-ons. 
If I were to try to implement threefold society I would go here to find some real world experienced communities & enterprises & even foundations.
thumbs uprose – a plot of soil in the garden of humanityheart
by Mark de LA in group threefold society — 2016-03-10 07:28:56 thought 20393
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October 19, 2014 by Mark de LA
Nobody can design a threefold society top down.  Furthermore commerce has grown so complex, including the ramifications of the Internet, that evolution & the state of social interaction has lots of pitfalls. (which I am not getting into at this time).
I do propose a logo or badge that one can externally associate with something, a business, a project or happening which is going in the right direction. May be useful on Facebook, Fastblogit & other aggregators of human communication if desired.
This is just a simple one as starter idea.

by Mark de LA in group threefold society — 2014-10-19 08:19:09 thought 17884
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Seth 2014-10-21 05:02:09 [item 17884#33335]
i don't think these three domains should be identifiied by the abstract terms.  Primarilay because each of those abstract terms apply to all three domains.  For example, freedom (aka liberty), should permute not only culture, but rights, and economics.  I think this was one of the reasons that i have had difficulty in grasping the vision.

Now i also notice that another threefold thinker presents the domains themselves and not the abstractions.

source: social self

1. Cultural – everything involving the growth and expression of the human spirit: education, art, science, religion, journalism and publishing

2. Legal/political – involving human rights and relationships between people and organizations

3. Economic – having to do with the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services

Those three speres are much more distinct than the abstractions.

So no, your badge does't work for me.  Maybe substitute: Cultural, Legal , Economic. 

October 12, 2014 by Seth

I propose that we agree not to rersort to these fallacies in any dialogue in this open group.


Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies


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The Ten Commandments of Logic


by Seth in group threefold society — 2014-10-12 08:57:55 thought 17848
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Seth 2014-10-15 07:06:48 [item 17848#33219]
mark 2014-10-12 09:50:20 item 17848
I propose you start your own group - I've wasted too much energy on this group which I started.


ridiculous, this is my group as well as yours ... that is the nature of an open group .  Obviously i am free to do what i will quite independently of our efforts here. 

... I propose no munging & no chimera for your imagined audiences.

i really do not know what that usefully means.  Why not consider that as a separate proposal not tied to mine above at all?

Please consider my proposal above seriously and totally apart from any other discrepancy that you may have with me personally.
Mark de LA of group mark 2014-10-15 07:12:51 [item 17848#33228]
seth 2014-10-15 07:06:48 item 17848
mark 2014-10-12 09:50:20 item 17848
I propose you start your own group - I've wasted too much energy on this group which I started.


ridiculous, this is my group as well as yours ... that is the nature of an open group .  Obviously i am free to do what i will quite independently of our efforts here. 

... I propose no munging & no chimera for your imagined audiences.

i really do not know what that usefully means.  Why not consider that as a separate proposal not tied to mine above at all?

Please consider my proposal above seriously and totally apart from any other discrepancy that you may have with me personally.
queue'd
Seth 2015-01-29 08:38:26 [item 17848#33906]
October 12, 2014 by Seth

These are the associations that i find apply from the table in item 15300

Q J X
























equality liberty fraternity


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Media


culture rights economy
medicine law  
education political  

i don't see how the other associations would apply just to those three singly and not across the board to all.
by Seth in group threefold society — 2014-10-11 07:27:07, changed 2014-10-12 08:52:20 thought 17838
October 12, 2014 by Mark de LA
In electricity the 3 perpendicular directions show the relationship between forces
& it looks like this:

In politics the thumb (salt direction) can be Equality; the index finger can be Liberty (quicksilver direction); & the middle finger can be Fraternity (the sulfur direction).
I use the alchemical directions of space because they fit most easily the triads:

Q J X
salt quicksilver sulfur
thought feeling will
spirit soul body
form life consciousness
past present future
melody harmony rhythm
measure weight number
spiritual psychic somatic
equality liberty fraternity
up/down forward/back left/right
faith hope charity
culture rights economy
medicine law  
education political  
I think i have them right - i will adjust if something doesn't work. The yellow columns map to the spheres.  Thus economy maps to brotherhood (fraternity). Rights, the law & politics maps to liberty. Finally culture, religion medicine & education maps to equality.

by Mark de LA in group threefold society — 2011-06-10 13:20:26, changed 2014-10-12 08:52:00 thought 15300
September 26, 2010 by Mark de LA
It looks like those that lean toward threefolding have some practical things to talk about.
source: ... Given the very real tragedy of our current economy, we need a new economic story that dispels faulty assumptions about growth, the environment, natural resources, and most importantly ourselves. The new economic story is rooted in the incontrovertible reality of interdependence"social, ecological, and spiritual. At the same time, the new story honors cultural freedom and equality in matters political, and embraces the value of dynamic tensions inherent in this picture.
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I hope that this website does something more than ask for contributions.  When I get a I will review it more carefully.

by Mark de LA in group threefold society — 2010-09-26 13:46:41 thought 14363
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June 14, 2009 by Mark de LA
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This article points out the foibles of having a judiciary which is neither independent of economics nor politics. While it is an article which is heavily aimed at California's gay marriage issue it points to a judiciary in West Virginia which seems to have been bought with money.  State judiciaries are in question here, but one can also see the political problems with the SCOTUS. It should be a given that justice herself be independent of influences except the law & wisdom. How else could you have truly equal rights without?
I pose the question here of how do we make the judiciary even more independent of undue influences?
I would like to see Obama complain about the high salaries & awards to lawyers!!! Perhaps that would kill 2 birds with one stone. The second one is the high cost of malpractice insurance to pay for lawyers solving the high cost of medicine. The first is the obvious best lawyer money can buy scenario. I would actually like to see a lawsuit where lawyers are sued for unequal protection due to economic factors.
by Mark de LA in group threefold society — 2009-06-14 07:08:14 thought 12093
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June 13, 2009 by Mark de LA
This series is to provide some dialog & education on some of the primary distinctions within macro economics.  The first one will be on the following principle:
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DIVISION OF LABOR IS GOOD FOR THE OVERALL ECONOMY
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Wikipedia: ...

Division of labour or specialization is the specialization of cooperative labour in specific, circumscribed tasks and roles, intended to increase the productivity of labour. Historically the growth of a more and more complex division of labour is closely associated with the growth of total output and trade, the rise of capitalism, and of the complexity of industrialization processes. Later, the division of labour reached the level of a scientifically-based management practice with the time and motion studies associated with Taylorism. Basically, it's a working society that does many different jobs. Example: A few people do farming, a few people do pottery, and a few people are blacksmiths. The society works together to make the city wealthier.


 
... We debated in econ-101 the notion that a tailor who makes his own coat versus a tailor who pays someone else to make one example. A general concensus held that even though he might be the best tailor in the world that he adds to the overall economy by making more coats & selling them than consuming his own product. The other also benefits from the sale back to the tailor.
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[IS SUPPORTED BY: item 12088]      ***      [IS DISPUTED BY: item 12089]
Needless to say segments containing ad hominem attacks, RWG material & the like will be removed by the editor. Note that the group threefold society is an open group whose password is threefold.
by Mark de LA in group threefold society — 2009-06-12 10:38:32, changed 2009-06-13 06:49:03 thought 12086
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June 12, 2009 by Mark de LA
Often specialization ignores the innate capabilities of a human who may be good for a lot of different jobs. Often the division of labor puts labor in a capital domain where it dehumanizes the person.
by Mark de LA in group threefold society — 2009-06-12 10:52:46, changed 2009-06-12 11:24:43 thought 12089
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Seth 2009-06-15 09:26:47 [item 12089#19751]
It is pretty clear that an individual who can do more and become more self sufficient will lead a  more satisfying life.  This was driven home to me recently when i watched "Alone in the Wilderness"  where Dick Proenneke lives along in Alaska and builds a log cabin and survives quite nicely on his own labor.  I would recommend this film to anyone who wants to get a feeling of what self sufficiency means.  Proenneke is truly a Renaissance man.  Certainly his soul is enhanced by mastering his environment.
June 12, 2009 by Mark de LA
It creates more competition in the labor & capital markets for the components needed to manufacture an item. The Wikipedia entry of the main item hints at this.
by Mark de LA in group threefold society — 2009-06-12 10:52:21, changed 2009-06-12 11:22:03 thought 12088
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Seth 2009-06-15 08:42:54 [item 12088#19750]
Division of labor by another name is specialization.  I think it is pretty easy to convince yourself that as populations grow a natural process causes specialization where every niche gets filled.  We see this everywhere in biology.  Me thinks, that to fight a natural process, especially one this dominant, must always be a loosing proposition.   You might ask yourself, if it is decided that division of labor is bad for the individual, then what are you going to do about it?  ... artificially legislate that people do more of their own work?   
Mark de LA of group mark 2009-06-15 09:56:18 [item 12088#19754]
     In support of specialization we have the model of the human body with it's cells some changing from stem cells to heart muscle, nerves, fat, etc. The model works quite well.
     IMHO, there is a difference between the word specialization & the concept division of labor. The latter is more of a natural process which fits into industrial mechanization like an auto factory's assembly lines. It is a feature of the growth of larger populations & wide distribution of products & services. It need not be assembly line, though.  We are also talking about functional separation within a community.
     In support one can assume that a better quality of labor would be obtained by specialization since someone who concentrates his attention to a particular vocation should gain a lot of knowledge about it & even train others as apprentices.
     One challenge is retraining when the specialization is no longer needed.