IFrames are both powerful and expensive

It is a very powerful and every so often useful feature to embed a page from another site in an iFrame. However, it is also extremely resource intensive. Consider that for every iFrame in view the browser has to open another virtual browser instance and load that entire site every time you view that page at fbi.

This means that for a group, or especially the news or river, every time you view a page that has multiple iFrames it is creating and fully loading another whole browser instance for every iFrame in your news, or river, or group. If you have a lot of ram memory (8Gig or more) and a fast machine you probably won’t notice much other than the page is a bit sluggish. But if you have 4Gig or less, you may notice considerable drag and slow activities like submitting an edit.

The moral of the story is that iFrames are powerful, but use them sparingly and if possible make your thought with the iFrame private, and at least silent, so the iFrame doesn’t get loaded for everyone’s news and river.

I am considering disallowing iFrames in comments and only allowing them in thought bodies since they are so resource intensive. Clearly they cannot be allowed at all for guests and there probably should be a way for a moderator to disable a person’s ability to use iFrame’s if that person is spamming everyone with lot’s of them. Someone could literally disable the site and crash peoples browsers by putting a hundred iFame posts in the river or news (true the river only displays 20 at a time, but that’s enough to kill small machines).

Note: this is somewhat true for any emended content, such as videos and animated gif’s, though not as extreme as a whole embedded website. Facebook has a feature now that only puts a snapshot of the video or gif in your feed until you click on it. It would be nice if we could have such a feature but it would take some time to develop one.

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Holmes says
Maybe average users should only be allowed 1 iFrame per day. Power users who get their power via gamed activities could maybe get 3 or 5 per day.

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-20 06:41:51 [item 19714#43054]
Yeah i saw how expensive embedding a site is … so that makes the client browser open a separate (but hidden) instance (or tab) ? … not something that happens on the server?  I think i will go delete the iFrame i showed yesterday.  

Intereting how the way you are presenting this choice introduces the concept of moral action within Thinking.Domains.  I tend to like that … and think we can leverage it with gamification.  
dA 2016-01-20 06:45:41 [item 19714#43055]
yes

Incidentally, “moral action” is a good term. Consistent with individual purpose and relevance in being here to expereince. Unlike Karma which was good, but is now depreciated for the human condition.
seth 2016-01-20 06:53:19 [item 19714#43056]
like
Mark 2016-01-20 10:05:01 [item 19714#43112]
for those who do not understand karma. (GW pronounced it differently than the new age people do these days) … karma is simply LOA beyond the grave & for the greater good etc. cool
seth 2016-01-20 10:10:44 [item 19714#43114]
we have 3 quite different ontolgies going here re karma.   i think it is a bad idea angry  to  assume that we can  “impose” our ontology re karma on each other.  in essence we would be just talking about different things and presuming that they were the same.   guck!
Yep, forgot my standard disclaimer “aliens need not grok” – 

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-20 06:41:51 [item 19714#43054]
Yeah i saw how expensive embedding a site is … so that makes the client browser open a separate (but hidden) instance (or tab) ? … not something that happens on the server?  I think i will go delete the iFrame i showed yesterday.  

Intereting how the way you are presenting this choice introduces the concept of moral action within Thinking.Domains.  I tend to like that … and think we can leverage it with gamification.  
dA 2016-01-20 06:45:41 [item 19714#43055]
yes

Incidentally, “moral action” is a good term. Consistent with individual purpose and relevance in being here to expereince. Unlike Karma which was good, but is now depreciated for the human condition.
seth 2016-01-20 06:53:19 [item 19714#43056]
like
Mark 2016-01-20 10:05:01 [item 19714#43112]
for those who do not understand karma. (GW pronounced it differently than the new age people do these days) … karma is simply LOA beyond the grave & for the greater good etc. cool
seth 2016-01-20 10:10:44 [item 19714#43114]
we have 3 quite different ontolgies going here re karma.   i think it is a bad idea angry  to  assume that we can  “impose” our ontology re karma on each other.  in essence we would be just talking about different things and presuming that they were the same.   guck!
dA 2016-01-20 10:16:06 [item 19714#43117]
I can talk about mine with the confidence I feel. You can about yours. He can about his. Our minds are quite flexible and adaptive enough to work gracefully in that environment. Old age thinking says that is crazy and we won’t be able to communicate, but it is that old way of thinking from a time when minds were less flexible that is actually what is crazy. The world is waking up from a crazy sleep. People can be who they are fully and awake and be completely understood and in harmony with others who are who they are. It works very well if you let it in.
seth 2016-01-20 10:20:14 [item 19714#43119]
true smug.    it is just that people doing a RWG like … “this is karma” … “no that is karma” … “you don’t know what karma is” …. is just a waste of energy.   in cases like this, i think it is better to talk about the subject but not get hung up on the natural language word that represents it differently to different people. 
Mark 2016-01-20 10:28:20 [item 19714#43123]
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I for one would prefer never to see the word karma used in any fbi technology as anything. yes I am not fond of gamification either, but that is you folk’s shtick . (*
 

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-20 06:41:51 [item 19714#43054]
Yeah i saw how expensive embedding a site is … so that makes the client browser open a separate (but hidden) instance (or tab) ? … not something that happens on the server?  I think i will go delete the iFrame i showed yesterday.  

Intereting how the way you are presenting this choice introduces the concept of moral action within Thinking.Domains.  I tend to like that … and think we can leverage it with gamification.  
dA 2016-01-20 06:45:41 [item 19714#43055]
yes

Incidentally, “moral action” is a good term. Consistent with individual purpose and relevance in being here to expereince. Unlike Karma which was good, but is now depreciated for the human condition.
seth 2016-01-20 06:53:19 [item 19714#43056]
like
Mark 2016-01-20 10:05:01 [item 19714#43112]
for those who do not understand karma. (GW pronounced it differently than the new age people do these days) … karma is simply LOA beyond the grave & for the greater good etc. cool
seth 2016-01-20 10:10:44 [item 19714#43114]
we have 3 quite different ontolgies going here re karma.   i think it is a bad idea angry  to  assume that we can  “impose” our ontology re karma on each other.  in essence we would be just talking about different things and presuming that they were the same.   guck!
dA 2016-01-20 10:16:06 [item 19714#43117]
I can talk about mine with the confidence I feel. You can about yours. He can about his. Our minds are quite flexible and adaptive enough to work gracefully in that environment. Old age thinking says that is crazy and we won’t be able to communicate, but it is that old way of thinking from a time when minds were less flexible that is actually what is crazy. The world is waking up from a crazy sleep. People can be who they are fully and awake and be completely understood and in harmony with others who are who they are. It works very well if you let it in.
seth 2016-01-20 10:20:14 [item 19714#43119]
true smug.    it is just that people doing a RWG like … “this is karma” … “no that is karma” … “you don’t know what karma is” …. is just a waste of energy.   in cases like this, i think it is better to talk about the subject but not get hung up on the natural language word that represents it differently to different people. 
dA 2016-01-20 10:29:55 [item 19714#43124]
I don’t see RWG where you see RWG. To me, it’s just variety, like the leaves outside my window. What I see is you working any angle you can to draw people into RWG on virtually any subject. And once you have them there, you devour them until there is nothing left. That’s what it feels like. None of these things start out as RWG that end up that way when anyone I have seen talks to you.
KEWL – great news – can munge away another’s viewpoint IF one’s viewpoint is always his own. The machinery of RWG is fascinating & includes making the RWG wrong.  Seems that there may be a small number of ways to exit the rwG …
  • leave the space
  • shut up until the other runs out of material
  • shut up & appreciate what the other is saying
  • plug one’s ears & cover one’s eyes or in a blog – read something else (leave the space)
  • change the subject 
  • warp to a different universe
any others? (keep them to yourselves) cool

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-20 06:41:51 [item 19714#43054]
Yeah i saw how expensive embedding a site is … so that makes the client browser open a separate (but hidden) instance (or tab) ? … not something that happens on the server?  I think i will go delete the iFrame i showed yesterday.  

Intereting how the way you are presenting this choice introduces the concept of moral action within Thinking.Domains.  I tend to like that … and think we can leverage it with gamification.  
dA 2016-01-20 06:45:41 [item 19714#43055]
yes

Incidentally, “moral action” is a good term. Consistent with individual purpose and relevance in being here to expereince. Unlike Karma which was good, but is now depreciated for the human condition.
seth 2016-01-20 06:53:19 [item 19714#43056]
like
Mark 2016-01-20 10:05:01 [item 19714#43112]
for those who do not understand karma. (GW pronounced it differently than the new age people do these days) … karma is simply LOA beyond the grave & for the greater good etc. cool
seth 2016-01-20 10:10:44 [item 19714#43114]
we have 3 quite different ontolgies going here re karma.   i think it is a bad idea angry  to  assume that we can  “impose” our ontology re karma on each other.  in essence we would be just talking about different things and presuming that they were the same.   guck!
dA 2016-01-20 10:16:06 [item 19714#43117]
I can talk about mine with the confidence I feel. You can about yours. He can about his. Our minds are quite flexible and adaptive enough to work gracefully in that environment. Old age thinking says that is crazy and we won’t be able to communicate, but it is that old way of thinking from a time when minds were less flexible that is actually what is crazy. The world is waking up from a crazy sleep. People can be who they are fully and awake and be completely understood and in harmony with others who are who they are. It works very well if you let it in.
seth 2016-01-20 10:20:14 [item 19714#43119]
true smug.    it is just that people doing a RWG like … “this is karma” … “no that is karma” … “you don’t know what karma is” …. is just a waste of energy.   in cases like this, i think it is better to talk about the subject but not get hung up on the natural language word that represents it differently to different people. 
dA 2016-01-20 10:29:55 [item 19714#43124]
I don’t see RWG where you see RWG. To me, it’s just variety, like the leaves outside my window. What I see is you working any angle you can to draw people into RWG on virtually any subject. And once you have them there, you devour them until there is nothing left. That’s what it feels like. None of these things start out as RWG that end up that way when anyone I have seen talks to you.
seth 2016-01-20 10:42:24 [item 19714#43128]
well i guess you didn’t notice how the RWG started happening … and/or is continueing
dA 2016-01-20 10:51:07 [item 19714#43131]
I actually havn’t seen any RWG yet, Mark baiting it notwithstanding. And I’m talking out of band about something, not the subject itself. Let’s see what Mark does next.
so someone holds something as baiting (rwg?, ?illustration of baiting itself, a reverse attraction?) who knows? who cares? laughing

Seth says
seth 2016-01-20 10:58:44 [item 19714#43134]
Mark said ...
can munge away another’s viewpoint IF one’s viewpoint is always his own.
… but that was not my proposal. 

I was just proposing that being aware that another person is using a word to represent something different in their mind than you are using in your own mind … and talking accordingly … would, assuming good will, tend to avoid arguing just to be right. 
Mark 2016-01-20 11:01:43 [item 19714#43135]
Yeah, wasn’t responding to Seth … things get confused at fbi2½ 
seth 2016-01-20 11:03:07 [item 19714#43137]
so do you agree with my proposal?
Mark 2016-01-20 11:07:37 [item 19714#43138]
don’t know how it would work itself out if suddenly you bring in a word or change a word I already used to mean something else. 
Mark 2016-01-20 11:15:21 [item 19714#43141]
When meanings are mungeable why talk at all?  Maybe use pictures, music …..(the latter is my choice)..etc. Some disagree (via TR) communication is 7% words, and the rest is tonality & body language. We are dealing with only that 7% here. Embedded youtubes add to that, but are expensive as you folks say.  Alien disclaimer assumed – telepathy & instant grok may be parallel to all of this. pondering
meanings never were “fixed” globally.   so they have always been “mungeable” as you put it.   me thinks there is a strength and beauty in how language actually works spectacularly well notwistanding that quality. 

Holmes says
seth 2016-01-20 10:58:44 [item 19714#43134]
Mark said ...
can munge away another’s viewpoint IF one’s viewpoint is always his own.
… but that was not my proposal. 

I was just proposing that being aware that another person is using a word to represent something different in their mind than you are using in your own mind … and talking accordingly … would, assuming good will, tend to avoid arguing just to be right. 
Mark 2016-01-20 11:01:43 [item 19714#43135]
Yeah, wasn’t responding to Seth … things get confused at fbi2½ 
seth 2016-01-20 11:03:07 [item 19714#43137]
so do you agree with my proposal?
Mark 2016-01-20 11:07:37 [item 19714#43138]
don’t know how it would work itself out if suddenly you bring in a word or change a word I already used to mean something else. 
dA 2016-01-20 11:09:10 [item 19714#43139]
Don’t attach yourself to words. That’s an ego thing. Then it won’t matter. Just saying.
seth 2016-01-20 11:15:13 [item 19714#43140]
yeah that’s pretty much what i am saying too.   we use words for reference or pointers to more tangible consequences … and they work well a lot of times.   but when they don’t it’s nice to be aware that it is the sign that is not working … kind of like taking a URL and getting a 404.   You said karma is this … to me that is not true … mark says we don’t know what karma is.   to me that is all just us getting 404’s in each others minds … probably no more than that. 
dA 2016-01-20 11:26:57 [item 19714#43144]
To me it’s not a 404. I understand what you and Mark are saying. I can see both of your perspectives. I choose a different one. We all understand completely what the other means. I don’t get any sense otherwise. There is no problem at all as long as no one pretends not to understand as a pretense. Sometimes people don’t understand, but that usually very easy to resolve by simple asking and telling and feels quite different.
seth 2016-01-20 11:31:49 [item 19714#43146]
wow … it is a giant assumption that a person understands what a different person is meaning in their mind … must be quite a legend attached to such a belief.  
dA 2016-01-20 11:34:19 [item 19714#43148]
Or a lifetime of getting back to where understanding is natural and normal.
Mark 2016-01-20 11:45:10 [item 19714#43153]
kewl ! nobody can be a liar either! love it loving it
dA 2016-01-20 11:46:12 [item 19714#43154]
True story that.
Mark 2016-01-20 11:48:04 [item 19714#43155]
kewl! fuck words & piles of them – I’ll go for music instead. smug
dA 2016-01-20 11:52:50 [item 19714#43158]
Listening now. http://songza.com … most excellent free selections.
seth 2016-01-20 11:55:28 [item 19714#43159]
cool streaming site … i wonder how it compares with iTunes.
Their organization by activity is extensive and unique … and sound quality is suburb. I like that I can choose either the activity I am doing, even sleeping, or a mood, and the music fits nicely.

Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-20 10:58:44 [item 19714#43134]
Mark said ...
can munge away another’s viewpoint IF one’s viewpoint is always his own.
… but that was not my proposal. 

I was just proposing that being aware that another person is using a word to represent something different in their mind than you are using in your own mind … and talking accordingly … would, assuming good will, tend to avoid arguing just to be right. 
Mark 2016-01-20 11:01:43 [item 19714#43135]
Yeah, wasn’t responding to Seth … things get confused at fbi2½ 
seth 2016-01-20 11:03:07 [item 19714#43137]
so do you agree with my proposal?
Mark 2016-01-20 11:07:37 [item 19714#43138]
don’t know how it would work itself out if suddenly you bring in a word or change a word I already used to mean something else. 
dA 2016-01-20 11:09:10 [item 19714#43139]
Don’t attach yourself to words. That’s an ego thing. Then it won’t matter. Just saying.
seth 2016-01-20 11:15:13 [item 19714#43140]
yeah that’s pretty much what i am saying too.   we use words for reference or pointers to more tangible consequences … and they work well a lot of times.   but when they don’t it’s nice to be aware that it is the sign that is not working … kind of like taking a URL and getting a 404.   You said karma is this … to me that is not true … mark says we don’t know what karma is.   to me that is all just us getting 404’s in each others minds … probably no more than that. 
dA 2016-01-20 11:26:57 [item 19714#43144]
To me it’s not a 404. I understand what you and Mark are saying. I can see both of your perspectives. I choose a different one. We all understand completely what the other means. I don’t get any sense otherwise. There is no problem at all as long as no one pretends not to understand as a pretense. Sometimes people don’t understand, but that usually very easy to resolve by simple asking and telling and feels quite different.
seth 2016-01-20 11:31:49 [item 19714#43146]
wow … it is a giant assumption that a person understands what a different person is meaning in their mind … must be quite a legend attached to such a belief.  
dA 2016-01-20 11:34:19 [item 19714#43148]
Or a lifetime of getting back to where understanding is natural and normal.
Mark 2016-01-20 11:45:10 [item 19714#43153]
kewl ! nobody can be a liar either! love it loving it
dA 2016-01-20 11:46:12 [item 19714#43154]
True story that.
Mark 2016-01-20 11:48:04 [item 19714#43155]
kewl! fuck words & piles of them – I’ll go for music instead. smug
seth 2016-01-20 11:52:14 [item 19714#43157]
i don’t know … to me it really does not matter what media the representation is manifested within … it still functions the same way.   the The Semantic Triangel still models what is happening.
Thanks for adding to the pile ! I enjoy/emote excitement & more heartfelt vibes here.yes

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