Blank To Each Other


loose words and other forms of media

and we loose communication.  

we would each look blank to each other … catatonic.

is that what you want?

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  1. item 19735
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  3. blank to each other
  4. alienation
  5. language
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Comments


Holmes says
Ever hear the phrase “a picture is worth a thousand words”? It’s true you know. In this modern world it would be quite possible to communicate entirely with pictures and never need words at all. Just saying.

Mark de LA says
dA 2016-01-22 09:18:33 [item 19736#43362]
Don’t see how that would be true at all. As NLP shows, words are only 7% of communication. And most other entities communicate without words at all. Not that I am advocating for doing away with words. Only conveying the understanding that words are not necessary and even when chosen, only a small part of the communication happening even on a phone call or the internet.

All true communication is vibrational. Words are a medium we play in, mainly because we were taught to, but also because it can be fun. However, more often than not, and quite frankly especially here at the FBI, words are how our ego constructs lead us and keep us on a leash.
seth 2016-01-22 09:31:36 [item 19736#43367]
well  i intentionally qualified my statement with “and other forms of media” to avoid that that objection. 

to use a generalized vibrational model, all i am saying, is that we cannot loose the signals that are sent person to person to make similar vibrations inside each other.  i had thought that would not be controversial. 
Mark 2016-01-23 09:28:29 [item 19736#43453]
Someday would like to know what vibrations do if there is no substance to vibrate. 
seth 2016-01-23 11:05:49 [item 19736#43456]
you vibrate
Mark 2016-01-23 11:13:03 [item 19736#43457]
Technically I have substance anything else is in the same category as nothing.
Mark 2016-01-23 11:13:31 [item 19736#43458]
 
seth 2016-01-23 11:39:57 [item 19736#43459]
Substance is a hangup 
Mark 2016-01-23 11:43:17 [item 19736#43460]
Yep try living without it; having transcended it in blogging space at times notwithstanding.
Mark 2016-01-23 11:45:55 [item 19736#43461]
 
seth 2016-01-23 12:03:16 [item 19736#43462]
the hangup is how one thinks about it … Not living w/wo
Mark 2016-01-23 12:10:42 [item 19736#43463]
substance thinning out faster & faster – now homeopathic …. fun to keep it going & see if it disappears.yes
seth 2016-01-23 12:33:18 [item 19736#43464]
well a wis man once said … If all is physical , all is spiritual … Search go it … Am on too small screen
Mark 2016-01-23 12:41:48 [item 19736#43465]
General search yields nothing more substantial than the original thin fart in some smoke reflected down a large hall of mirrors consumed in a whirlwind dropped into a volcano – & thanks anywayrose
seth 2016-01-23 13:58:52 [item 19736#43466]
Np … Just my response when I hear an hyper-awareness re what is and is not there
Mark 2016-01-23 15:55:20 [item 19736#43467]
thumbs up WOW! hyper-awaress of nothing – fading in the distance of anything where no things exist at ever.
seth 2016-01-23 17:51:35 [item 19736#43468]
i didn’t hear any hyper-awarness of nothing … i did hear a hyper awareness of what is and is not there. quite different objects. 

my point is that the “vibes” in question need of no “stuff” other than just changes in you.  you are the “stuff” vibrating. 

there, now that i have a full keyboard, not jumping around on a tiny screen, i can hit the keys in higher fidelity about all of that jazz smugrose
Yep, back to 60’s lingo – good vibes! 
laughing

Seth says
Mark 2016-01-23 20:05:47 [item 19736#43471]
Funny thingy is you folks don’t grok that just because you assert & declare stuff powerfully with congruence that someone outside your agenda is going to automatically accept it & believe it without question . 
Maybe robots will do that – not me! Most of the vibes stuff sounds random over here; parallel universes & aliens notwithstanding. thumbs uprose
 
dA 2016-01-23 20:11:54 [item 19736#43472]
It doesn’t work at all that way. Aligning with something, not asserting or declaring, places you in the verse where those aspects are in play. There are infinite variations of Mark out there. I can align with any of them. You have no part in that. You, however, will align with the variation of Nathan that you match with. No one ever has to accept anything … they only need to change their beliefs if what is in front of them is not as desired … without changing anyone or asserting will over any other.
Mark 2016-01-23 20:18:33 [item 19736#43473]
laughing different pile of words same effect. thumbs up
when you say, “pile of words”, it means to me that you don’t understand what my words words mean to me … then you say “same effect”, … telling me, they  go klunk in your mind, and you  don’t care either.  No problem …. lots of things like that happen … they call it, “failure to cummunicate”.  Here we  look  blank to each other … as if you are catatonic to me ...and me catatonic to you … no vibrating for us … oh well … be casual about it … have a nice day.  … but then you go “thumbs up” contradicting your own deed … which i will just forget about.

Mark de LA says
BTW – I test things – theories, ontologies, religions, NLP, hypnosis, loa, etc. & software & documentation. Here is an old card of mine.  I may still look like this, but all the contact information is no longer valid, current or real.
cool

Seth says
seth 2016-01-23 21:16:27 [item 19736#43487]
incidentally mark, understanding what something means to somebody else, does not mean that you must believe it yourself … we are in agreement there.   it just means that you accept what is happening in them … maybe without judgement or comparison.   i think nathan said something related to that too … er, but with a “different pile of opaque words to you”. 
Mark 2016-01-24 00:01:37 [item 19736#43488]
I understand things different – that’s so. It’s OK. It shouldn’t become an already-always rwg.  It doesn’t mean that I don’t love you folks. It is the constant correction & reframing what I say that bugs me. Sometimes look inside & notice where the miscommunication is coming from.sad  
seth 2016-01-24 08:55:11 [item 19736#43498]
yes constant reframing is an interesting phenomena.  we both do it.  we are both disturbed by it.   understanding reframing is part of understanding what is going on here.

i started thinking about this in representations happen in planes but apparently didn't totally finish my thought.  the point is that everyone must think about a topic (especially deeply) in their onw mind … hence in that framwork.  so deep discussion must needs be a process of continual reframing. 
 
Mark 2016-01-24 09:00:56 [item 19736#43499]
Yep – I don’t mind you reframing your own material – hands off mine until you understand it! smug
fair enough … and ditto of course.

in a thinking domain we arelready have that separation … are you in your own group … or is somone else’s.  i think it is good to be aware of that and reframe (or not) accordingly. 

an example of that happened recently when you started talking in tag clouds … who knew … not me … i thought you were just trying to decay words themselves … so i reframed accordingly … finally it dawned on me what you were doing.  

Seth says
Mark 2016-01-24 09:16:09 [item 19736#43501]
Actually I was talking about both & munged them together in an artistic presentation . laughing
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Mark de LA says
seth 2016-01-24 09:18:19 [item 19736#43502]
or one could look on that just as “keep stickily to topic” … but things do meander if they are not restrained … and that meander is not necessarily always a bad thing.

the dastardly part of that is if one constantly reframes from a positive vibe to a negative one.   that is one way to look at mine and d’A complain with the way you reframe. 
Mark 2016-01-24 09:27:32 [item 19736#43508]
sorry not dastardly – someday look the word up . Some Egos interpret disagreement with them as negative vibes . The golden rule might eliminate that, but too much haggling implementations of that through the text channel. I got rid of my favorite rwg poetry with the red dragon the other day as a show of good will. thumbs uprose
seth 2016-01-24 09:38:12 [item 19736#43509]
hmmm …. lots of interesting connections in that paragraph indeed thumbs uprose

perhps “dastardly” is my usage … perhaps supported by a dictionary or not … but i have used it so frequently, i will bet that you knew exactly what i meant … hence successful communication … so (were that all true, and it is over here), then what is your real complaint?

i heart that i have not seen the dragon for a while … that is like total smiley

now on to the new newstuff that you introduced …
Some Egos interpret disagreement with them as negative vibes . The golden rule might eliminate that, but too much haggling implementations of that through the text channel.
Yes, interperting disagrement as a negative vibe is a frequent ego reaction … the trick is to figure out whether it actually is a negative ego vibe comming from the other ego … or rather just a difference in the minds themselves (ie a true disagreement – not just a different ego).  

Your next sentence i do not comprehend … i would prefer not to guess … could you elaborate?
 
Mark 2016-01-24 09:48:18 [item 19736#43510]
text is a limited channel; mind-reading through text is even worse; one man’s positive vibe is another’s negative – who can guess? In person (F2F) you can use the golden rule & observe reaction & clean it up without the usual Golden Rule haggle of “ If I were he I wouldn’t mind my ass being pinched in fact I would love it” haggling. (lots of them) laugh
seth 2016-01-24 10:01:28 [item 19736#43511]
well i don’t know … for just thoughts alone, language alone is quite supurb … or so it seems to me.  but sure, social feelings and even deeds themselves frequently need more channels as you have noted.  thing is that comprehending sombody’s thought really is mind reading when successful.  that is it at it’s best.  personally i refuse to give that “mind reading” up … and don’t think i must, just because things (like ego for example) get in its way. 
Mark 2016-01-24 10:09:58 [item 19736#43513]
Hence the tagclouds & decay comment of mine earlier. No problem – bad mind reading is still bad mind reading – maybe we need a tag/word cloud of  eachother’s  meanings to fully read each other’s mind or narrow down the munge-cluster of possibilites in each other’s text sentencespondering
dA 2016-01-24 10:13:21 [item 19736#43514]
”bad mind reading” is simply not being in flow, not vibing. All contact with others is actually vibrational, not physical, it's the state of your vibrational toolset that determines what occurs in communication. This is very obvious when you look at how people communicate in all different kinds of contexts and notice what works and what doesn’t. It’s always related to a persons “state of being”, not the words or anything else.
Mark 2016-01-24 10:19:52 [item 19736#43516]
Hence my 19735 <– tower of Babel IIlaugh
seth 2016-01-24 10:41:50 [item 19736#43519]
well “not comprehending another” … or “bad mind reading” … are all the same in this context to me.  perhaps that happens because of bad ego vibrations … or maybe the pointers into the source mind space are too vague and ambiguous and just cannot be resolved (or transmitted) into the destination mind space … which i think happens a lot. 
Mark 2016-01-24 10:09:58 [item 19736#43513]
Hence the tagclouds & decay comment of mine earlier. No problem – bad mind reading is still bad mind reading – maybe we need a tag/word cloud of  eachother’s  meanings to fully read each other’s mind or narrow down the munge-cluster of possibilites in each other’s text sentencespondering – bares repeating!

Seth says
Mark 2016-01-24 11:08:04 [item 19736#43521]
Some vibrations are hard to interpret & value judgments applied by outsiders is mostly futile. Excitement might sound like this or look this.
OTOH, I am a mathematician as was GW – the domain of operation of such has a different flavor of excitement – more line inspiration, intuition & the Holy Grail Quest. 
 
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Seth says
Mark 2016-01-24 09:19:21 [item 19676#43504]
different shade of a color – different anchor – specifics, eh?
dA 2016-01-24 10:09:12 [item 19676#43512]
Yes, very … when you are in the flow of the communication.

When I talk to you about specifics, it is about asking you to get in the flow … and for debugging, so I can reproduce what you are seeing … which is a particular kind of flow. Communication is about vibing, not words.
Mark 2016-01-24 10:15:11 [item 19676#43515]
Was just talking about anchors which are specific – colors, neck squeeze, touch …… so far on bugs we are doing reasonably well, imho       .      
moving this train here buecause me thinks it fits better …
 

nathan says …
“Communication is about vibing, not words.”
all aspects of that is not true for me in all contexts.  let me explain …

Many have told us that the meaning of a communication is the effect it gets.  Were all aspects of that be true for me, then so would nathan’s assertion.  

But i can well distinguish between the meaning of a communication and the effect (or response) it produce on me.  So i think both aspects of communtion exist in parallell.  The meaning of it to the speaker and to the listener (usually quite different) … AND … the response it provokes from the audience.  The latter is, as nathan observes, about vibrating … however, the former is about what is represented in the respective minds … maybe see my tag cloud re representing.    many many exspples of both of these can be provided upon request.

Seth says
Mark 2016-01-24 11:08:04 [item 19736#43521]
Some vibrations are hard to interpret & value judgments applied by outsiders is mostly futile. Excitement might sound like this or look this.
OTOH, I am a mathematician as was GW – the domain of operation of such has a different flavor of excitement – more like enthusiasm, inspiration, intuition & the Holy Grail Quest. 
 
Mark 2016-01-24 11:09:40 [item 19736#43522]
#fastlane
Mark 2016-01-24 11:10:42 [item 19736#43524]
 
Mark 2016-01-24 11:12:02 [item 19736#43525]
 
Mark 2016-01-24 11:21:41 [item 19736#43526]
~fastlane
Mark 2016-01-24 11:23:30 [item 19736#43528]
attempts at inline tagging of comments seems futile – only words acceptedcrying
seth 2016-01-24 11:25:14 [item 19736#43529]
i guess we need to rely on search to gather a tag room of tagges comments … see search ~fastlane
too bad it didn’t work

Seth says
i don’t think it much matters whether we grok in a vibrational synergistic vortex model or just the tradition in which people understand and love each other.  To me those are the same direction … into the same universe(s) … but going the opposite direction where people do not understand each other and do not care that they don’t understand each other is sinking into a decay of our humanity.   … not quite my tempo ← worth watching.

Seth says
dA 2016-01-25 16:51:34 [item 19736#43612]
When people follow their excitement (true inner guidance) there is no decay. There is only an ever building harmony of the multiverse playing out in an ever evolving dance.

Decay happens when people follow outer guidance, what they “think they should” be doing, what others tell them to do, what is logical for logic’s sake, or what fear or pain drives them to do.
excitement is great … i say, don’t leave home without it … or don’t happen without it.   that is kind of a different topic than what i am talking about in this thought.

“Decay happens when people follow outer guidance” ← hmmm … me, i will need to think about that one … it needs of some qualification.   I have found decay in all aspects of universe(s) … not just that … and following guidance from others is not necessarily decay … kind of depends on where you draw the ego boundary … what is, and is not,  “you”.

Seth says
Mark 2016-01-25 17:08:30 [item 19736#43615]
What falls to the bottom of the forrest from animals, bugs & leaves decays & eventually becomes humus to fructify & grow the tree & other plants in the neighborhood.  Thus is the cycle of life in mother nature.
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Holmes says
dA 2016-01-25 17:07:10 [item 19736#43614]
Outer guidance can create a dance of harmony, but not an ever evolving one. As PD Ouspenski (GW’s nemisis) says, ants were an early attempt by consciousness at an intelligent species. Because they were driven by an outer connected group guidance, they reached a plateau of perfection and then evolved no further. Following inner guidance is what drives creative evolution. Outer guidance only gives an appearance of usefulness in our society because it is unavoidably mixed with inner guidance.

None of this is to say that “others” are not useful or important or desirable. It is only to say what avoids both decay and stagnation.
Mark 2016-01-25 17:20:27 [item 19736#43617]
GW never mentioned Ouspenski or Gurdjieff  much even if more than once. Hardly at the nemisis level. I tried getting something out of both later when I was reading books Michael Hadley recommended but it was very unclear what their world outlook or ontology was all about. Never resumed interest. 
dA 2016-01-25 17:24:56 [item 19736#43618]
Sorry bud. Him and I had extensive conversations about Ouspenski one time when I was visiting while in the Navy. He said he knew him personally, and tried his best to convince me Ouspenski was not to be followed when he found out I was studying Ouspenski. He clearly had nemesis like energy with the guy. His eyes got all full of fire and hate when he talked about him.
Mark 2016-01-25 18:18:26 [item 19736#43621]
Anecdotal comments, judgments, & mind reading notwithstanding he also had not much to say about Thane either. I have “Your are Younger than you Think” & “Instant Evolution”  from his Institute of advanced thinking circa 1976 from CFR’s check.  The few pamphlets of his which I read, but no epiphany in them either.  You see, I read some Ouspensky & Gurdjieff but clarity was missing from what they wrote.  If you can find some clear sentences from either it would be nice to share so I might appreciate what’s missing from my own appraisal. cool
dA 2016-01-25 18:30:38 [item 19736#43622]
All that is missing from your experience is being open. This is an attractive based universe. It is not necessary to resist anything to be on the most relevant path. So be totally open, and you will receive much from everything you read and do.
Mark 2016-01-25 19:44:21 [item 19736#43625]
Personally I never saw hate in GW’s eyes – anger, aggressiveness, control etc.  Never hate.  Maybe you were projecting. pondering
Anything to keep your rwg ball rolling, right?

Seth says
dA 2016-01-25 20:32:42 [item 19736#43630]
Disintegrating language. Insinigrating communication!
Mark 2016-01-25 20:37:27 [item 19736#43631]
Yep, google define insinigrating 
   in 
                 sin
                                   i
grating
…… daisy, daisy .. (*)
                                                                                                      sad
dA 2016-01-25 20:40:04 [item 19736#43632]
Don’t need dictionaries to define words. Just needs minds to create them with. Understanding is always vibration.
Mark 2016-01-25 20:43:53 [item 19736#43633]
boo whang boo choy
dA 2016-01-25 20:47:53 [item 19736#43634]
Try it for realz … not to mock … you’ll feel the grace of it!
Mark 2016-01-25 21:00:20 [item 19736#43635]
tuit
not my tempo

Seth says
seth 2016-01-25 19:56:30 [item 19736#43627]
strange how almost all of the dialogue on this peculiar thought here is not about the thought at all.  in fact it is almost about the opposite of this thought. 
dA 2016-01-25 20:06:12 [item 19736#43628]
Well, gotta talk about something I guess. I don’t even begin to agree with the thought … no interest.

Seth says
anyway i am going to remove the about and title this thought myself … it is not really about Mark’s thought at all … that was just one place i expressed it.  for me this thought happened way back in my san francisco warehouse days.  i wandered around the warehouse thinking how blank we were to each other.   i even went into mark’s space and tried to communicate it – unsuccessfully no doubt.  the same topic is covered again and again in literature … this is not just a Bozo thingey … others have felt it too.  It is one of those edges that we all come to terms with in our own special peculiar ways. 

Holmes says
I think that blank to each other feeling means something different. I think it means having a disconnect between awareness and the vibrational channels that are always there. One can develop that awareness/connection or one can disconnect from it. We are not taught that channel even exists, and in fact we are taught the opposite in traditional society. So it is often the case that people do not have rapport with their own vibrational channels. Some people do naturally because they happened to hit upon it as a useful thing sometime while they were growing up. Others never connect to it and live their whole life in a mostly blank state.

Seth says
sure it’s a “disconnect”.  and it goes both ways … one is aware that one is blank to another … or another is blank to one’s self … it is a lack of empathy … coupled with  the judgement that it “should not be so”.   this is not a blame thingey … it is felt in the bones.  it is the same blankness that permits of people doing horrible things to each other.  all i am saying is that disintegration of out ability to truly talk to each other is going in the direction of becoming more blank to each other.   ← a simple thought … not really a proposition that i expected to be so misunderstood and controversial. 

Seth says
dA 2016-01-26 07:41:50 [item 19736#43645]
Okay then. Blank = lack of empathy. Empathy = vibrational channel awareness. Like you say, simple.
like … and that a “disintegration” of language is humanity moving in the direction of less empathy between people.

Mark de LA says
Mark 2016-01-25 20:31:17 [item 19736#43629]
Fascinating though in perspective is that Seth had to start his own thought about mine. thumbs up  I’m less excited about pronouncements than almost anything else including talking about the pronouncements. My thought was mostly about the Tower of Babel & how language is disintegrating these days. We have brilliant illustration of such here.
seth 2016-01-25 22:17:38 [item 19736#43641]
just to be clear, i am not into disintegrating language. 
kuaikhwihwan

Mark de LA says
Blank may just mean you haven’t done something to change the cosmatosis by producing some communication on your own. Some actors expect accolades at their presence when they enter a room. You may just be trying to enter a chat room without any chat. laughing

Seth says
dA 2016-01-26 08:31:52 [item 19736#43649]
Well I don’t think there is any disintegration of communication. People are shifting from outward centric to inward centric, and inward is where the vibrational channels, intuition, empathy, etc, are. It’s kind of a battleground out there as the shift happens … but that’s the difficulty of communicating in a battleground, not a disintegration of communication in general. Indigo children understand each other just fine, using their own words they make up, and often without words at all. It’s only older people who hang on to the depreciated outward style of communication who have trouble understanding people using the inward style.
sure this shifting is happening all the time.  each of us goes thought shifts from outward centric to inward centric  many times in our lives.  your current verses seem much closer to inward centric … mine to outward centric.  when you are close to a huge mountain, it looms all around you … when far away it looks small. 

Mark de LA says
dA 2016-01-26 08:59:17 [item 19736#43652]
Okay. Well you seem to be on a crusade to prove, justify, put out there, relate, etc., an epiphany you have been carrying. That’s not exactly RWG, but because I don’t feel interest in that crusade, it feels similar to RWG in interaction. So you can crusade away … I have my own crusades to relish in!
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Seth says
dA 2016-01-26 08:59:17 [item 19736#43652]
Okay. Well you seem to be on a crusade to prove, justify, put out there, relate, etc., an epiphany you have been carrying. That’s not exactly RWG, but because I don’t feel interest in that crusade, it feels similar to RWG in interaction. So you can crusade away … I have my own crusades to relish in!
seth 2016-01-26 09:18:16 [item 19736#43654]
no “carrying”, and no “crusade” … and not me reporting a problem *i* have as mark seems to think.   just me expressing an aspect of human communication and mutual awareness.  strange you guys seem compelled to interpret it as  something that it is not. 


The illustration really says it all … notice when someone else treats you as if you had no insides … notice when you treat someone else the same.   Notice how loosing our ability to talk truly to each other will make that situation worse.  
Mark 2016-01-26 09:26:02 [item 19736#43655]
Yep, lots of birdies here! 
OMG, yes … and your use of birdie is a excellent case to study in “your apparent agenda” to disintegrate language.   an objective, non subjective, non inner centric, binocular dialogue study of your continual use of that “joke” might yield some understanding. 

Mark de LA says
Couldn’t find your question “Who the fuck am I?” from a few hours ago so I laid this cartoon on you here:
laughing – you must be a rice crispie!

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  48. Thought Goodbye to Language with 0 viewings related by tag "language".
  49. Thought Ontology with 0 viewings related by tag "language".
  50. Thought The limits of my language mean the limits of my world. with 0 viewings related by tag "language".