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Seth says

M 2008-05-20 16:46:43 10132
Pouring concrete in the oil wells didn't work either!

Yeah, if you have somethig cartoonie to say about energy policy this is a good node for it. That way we can reserve 8298 for cearer thinking.   FYI, pouring concrete down Iranian wells was going to raise prices not lower them; and FYI the Iranians and the Saudis are the people getting filthy rich.  Concrete would be a very good solution for that problem, allbeit a bit cartoonie.

Seth says
M 2008-05-21 09:26:36 10132
Congress' energy policy announced this morning - sue OPEC!  why their approval rating is near 13% & Bush's is at least double that.  No lawsuit ever produced one drop of oil! Not only that with their BigOil bashing & OPECker pissing off what effect do they think they will get that will make the price of oil go down?
Yeah suing OPEC was truly funny

Seth says
source: M above
I wonder if O can negotiate us out of that one!
I don't see this as a matter of negotiation. Rather i see it as a matter of clear public understand of what is really happening; notwithstanding that such a clear public understanding is hard to come by in today's partisan world.  We need to know things like being advertised on this page:  "For around $7,000 margin you can control 1000 barrels of Crude Oil (over $105,000 as of this writing), with each $1 move in crude price representing a $1,000 move on your $7,000 margin funds."  So what about getting the people running the oil futures market to disallow trading oil on margins?  Btw, oil just jumped up to $133 a barrel. 


Mark de LA says
     Well, you sure wanted to get the whole context for Wright & Obama's quotes. 
     Anyway you are close to right. 9783 begins to explain it in terms of land and housing.  In a nutshell sinking money into land doesn't produce anything. It does get more complex than that when you think of how capital markets have provided resource capital for many more things than a process of exchanging chickens for bread would have.  Half the price of oil now is pure hype & the other half is environmental + China & India have come on line as industrial economies.  Using this comparison, sinking money into oil doesn't produce any more energy. But, it is now a global problem and those who have it won't relinquish their advantage for some World benefit; the Middle East being a prime example.  Those who have & anticipate the advantage of restricting energy resources (think environmentalists, leftists & politicians) also don't want to relinquish their advantage.  So we have a classic stale-mate.
 I wonder if O can negotiate us out of that one!  

Seth says
M 2008-05-21 10:35:15 10132
seth 2008-05-21 10:29:50 10132
M 2008-05-21 10:28:10 10132
Nope! The word filthy rich is Karl Marxian class envy, plain & simple. I do have a gut reaction to that! RS had nothing to do with that.

Whatever ... go look up what RS said about making money on money alone and not adding any value. 
You go  back & read the whole book & series for context & tell me exactly what he said!

Not gonna happen.  He's your guy, not mine.  What i don't remember is what RS's solution was.

All i am proposing here is a clear study of the global oil market.  Me thinks that oil is the new money ... is the new Gold.  So a lot of the explosion in the price of oil is nothing more than a measure of the inflation of the  US $dollar. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-05-21 12:06:33 10132
source: M above
I wonder if O can negotiate us out of that one!
I don't see this as a matter of negotiation. Rather i see it as a matter of clear public understand of what is really happening; notwithstanding that such a clear public understanding is hard to come by in today's partisan world.  We need to know things like being advertised on this page:  "For around $7,000 margin you can control 1000 barrels of Crude Oil (over $105,000 as of this writing), with each $1 move in crude price representing a $1,000 move on your $7,000 margin funds."  So what about getting the people running the oil futures market to disallow trading oil on margins?  Btw, oil just jumped up to $133 a barrel. 

Yep, you are one of the people who want to control markets & regulate the economy - Nixon & Carter tried it & made a mess of things. (not one law passed ever produced a drop of oil or a KWT of energy - M.R.) Think of the U.N. Oil for Food program & how people have a natural tendency to get around restrictions. A much better idea is to create a bunch of nuclear power plants at a NASA scale to create both a hydrogen & electricity economy. You can bet when speculators see that on the horizon how fast the price of oil will sink. Funny thing is that we can build a nuclear power plant that will fit inside a submarine that our sailors can live next to, but nobody wants one in their neighborhood.

Seth says
M 2008-05-21 15:29:39 10132
noted. Sometimes I like to wake people up to the paths they are following which history has already rejected like Nixon & Carter attempted to do. 
Yep i remember the price controls during the Nixon years.  I doubt that the US government has any real control of the futures market as it is a global exchange.  So there is no way that i am proposing a governmental regulation of it.  But there are administrators like this one in control of the rules of these markets, who they might just recognize that a bit of dinking with the rules may bring things into a better balance. 

Seth says
source: Robert Malone, president of BP America Inc
 said "an oil price in the range of $60" would be profitable for his company.
So the serious question i raise here is: If oil can be profitable sold at $60, then why must it be sold at $134 through the exchange?

Seth says
seth 2008-05-21 14:34:53 10132
source: M above
you are one of the people who want to control markets & regulate the economy
I've discovered a interesting rule that would work for you every time should you want to apply it.  If Seth is the subject or object of your sentence (like the bold itilizized one above), then i will probably read that sentence as not about the subject but rather as some kind of  puerile partisan dig. I know that such sentences give you an oppurtunity to put a little bite into your message and that is probably what you get out of it; however I almost always take it as a distraction from the matter at hand.  It does irritate me.  I want you to know that.  An the good news to you is, now that i have told you about my irritation, you will probably be able to get that much more joy out of it.  However, were such sentences just eliminated, the tone and intelligence of our dialogue might improve. Just a thought.

Btw, increasing domestic production of energy would always be a good idea.
Ps your bold italicized statement is actually false.  I am not in favor of a regualted economy.  I have always favored lazie faire capitalism.  I'm just saying that a bit more clearly articulated knowledge about what is actually happening in the oil marketplace might go a long way to identifying some chritical rules that the exchange might deem prudent to subscribe to.  Margin trading might be one of those to take a look at.

Seth says
choy 2008-05-26 13:16:38 10132
seth 2008-05-26 13:03:28 10132
There is no serious Democratic plan to socialize the oil companies.  That is a foxnews chop shop report.   Just say no to misrepresenting.
Hey, Listen to Maxine Waters try to intimidate the oil execs. The video is out of her own mouth. I heard her in audio too. Now whether that is just another Democrat blowing it out her ass is another thingy.

Long way from intimidating oild execs ... which just feels good ... to socializing the companies, which is totally out of the question ... even for a democrat.

Mark de LA says
The Democrat plan: socialize the oil companies  Maxine Waters threatens to take over the oil companies.
Now what has government done recently that suggests they could even begin to handle oil energy situation. Remember Jimmy Carter & the gas lines ?


Seth says
There is no serious Democratic plan to socialize the oil companies.  That is a foxnews chop shop report.   Just say no to misrepresenting.

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-05-26 13:03:28 10132
There is no serious Democratic plan to socialize the oil companies.  That is a foxnews chop shop report.   Just say no to misrepresenting.
Hey, Listen to Maxine Waters try to intimidate the oil execs. The video is out of her own mouth. I heard her in audio too. Now whether that is just another Democrat blowing it out her ass is another thingy.


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-05-26 13:22:34 10132
choy 2008-05-26 13:16:38 10132
seth 2008-05-26 13:03:28 10132
There is no serious Democratic plan to socialize the oil companies.  That is a foxnews chop shop report.   Just say no to misrepresenting.
Hey, Listen to Maxine Waters try to intimidate the oil execs. The video is out of her own mouth. I heard her in audio too. Now whether that is just another Democrat blowing it out her ass is another thingy.

Long way from intimidating oild execs ... which just feels good ... to socializing the companies, which is totally out of the question ... even for a democrat.
Apparently you didn't listen to, nor care to consider what came out of the mouth of Maxine Waters!

Mark de LA says
Drilling for commen sense in Congress:


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-05-26 13:03:28 10132
There is no serious Democratic plan to socialize the oil companies.  That is a foxnews chop shop report.   Just say no to misrepresenting.
Today only 3 weeks later: House Democrats call for nationalization of refineries ! Better invest in horses or bicycles & use your available land for vegetables.  With the government fucking up the oil process you will find gasoline at higher prices & rationing.
That was the Carter & Chavez solution!

Mark de LA says
What a difference a few little months make in the picture. Now project NOW into the future 6 months & see what you come up with!
(Barrons Market Data Center)
One thing I know for certain is that whatever you fear or think now will entirely different when you reach the future 6 months from now in spite of so-called experts & bloviators.

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