None of the Above

About: is obama's candidacy constitutional?

Wouldn't it be funny if this were the only option !
Obama: According to FindLaw.com, which is cited by Geraghty, the requirements that were in force from Dec. 24, 1952 to Nov. 13, 1986, encompassing the time of Obama's birth, state, "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."
Where is his birth certificate?

McCain: "They argue that McCain is a natural born citizen because the United States exercised sovereignty over the Panama Canal at the time of his birth on August 29, 1936, he was born on a U.S. military base, and both of his parents were U.S. citizens," the report said.

Others say the issue isn't quite that simple, and the matter could be resolved fully only by a constitutional amendment or a U.S. Supreme Court ruling.

Choose your VPs well

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  6. smear obama
  7. smears
  8. birth certificate
  9. birthers

Comments


Mark de LA says
Maybe bs maybe not.  I know both of the candidates would love to sweep it under the rug - Obama more than McCain.  Lets all meet in the U.S. Supreme Court in Novermber after the election & see who's right. Maybe we can get something more interesting in the end than the 2000 election.


Seth says
This item has been tagged into total bs ... see Daily Kos and birth certificate below.  Spreding bs like this item just goes to defame the defamer.



Mark de LA says
M 2008-06-12 10:41:35 10311
First of all I would not take the Daily KOS as a valid reference for anything! Phtui!
Second of all it doesn't address the concerns about the mother's age & residency mentioned in the body of the item. Also notice the birth certificate has it's number blacked out!
Nice try carrying Obama's water.

BTW, the article doesn't say where it got the birth certificate. I think Obama should be worried about this. It is quite a simple thing to forge documents with PhotoShop.  Provenance not established - therefore the daily KOS, & the poster of this certificate resemble, quack like & smell like: BS.
 


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-06-12 11:16:08 10311
M 2008-06-12 10:56:16 10311
seth 2008-06-12 10:54:17 10311
Hey if you want to push rumor mongering on the Internet, go for it.  Personally i don't think it improves the quality of political dialogue.  

I never pushed rumor-mongering. These are valid concerns.

Nope they are not.
No substantive content in this comment.  Go read 4413 for insight. Obama answers nothing! Seth carrys the empty bucket of Obama's non-answers & the daily KOS for nothing.
Still full of BS.


Mark de LA says
BTW, my birth certificate has the signature of my doctor & seal of California on it as well as residency of my parents & their ages. This one has no signatures & no doctors. Some say it is not the real birth certificate, but some kind of after the fact document of a live birth or something altered to obscure such information.

Seth says
Obama's real birth certificate is finally published ...



Mark de LA says
Maybe an unsigned not notarized copy of something without the details (hospital name & doctors) id number blanked out, lack of info where parents reside or were born will fool the people who swoon to Obama already, but not me.  Because the stakes are high & make it worth while to fake I would accept nothing less than a document forensics expert's word on the original documents as valid.
Yes I have my own birth certificate, but will not publish it on the web for obvious reasons. 
Maybe it was another one of those virgin births which the campaign was at a loss to explain.

Mark de LA says
Mildly amusing, but only a joke. I'll give it a D+ humor wise. Doesn't help answer the other questions.
 

Mark de LA says
The very first one:
source: ...

LIE: Rush Limbaugh says a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-06-16 13:25:07 10311
The birth certificate, as pictured above, shows up on official Fight the Smears Obama website ...
source: Obama's Fight the Smears
Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment
  Of course it will never be enough for the smearers.
Fight the smears website already contains lies! Not a good source of truth! That birth certificate (above) is incomplete or a fake made up by the compaigns.


Seth says
M 2008-06-16 13:52:56 10311
seth 2008-06-16 13:25:07 10311
The birth certificate, as pictured above, shows up on official Fight the Smears Obama website ...
source: Obama's Fight the Smears
Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment
  Of course it will never be enough for the smearers.
Fight the smears website already contains lies! Not a good source of truth! That birth certificate (above) is incomplete or a fake made up by the compaigns.

Well that is an officialy sanctioned website.  If it's not authentic, then the downside of publishing a fake would be immense.  But i suppose you can wish. 

What lies are contained at that website?

Seth says
source: M above (all caps his emphasis)
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ON HIS WEBSITE?
Well both wordings are there.  Appears to be a slight confusion of reference.  They should clear that up.  My point would be that Rush did repeat the rumor and repeating unsubstiantied rumors is not good communications. It is not an ethical way to broadcast on the public airways.  Notice that the smear was not reported on M$M (except maybe at foxnews).  Reputable media will usually not repeat unsubstantiated smears.   Btw, your link to Limbaugh's site requires one to sign up and have a password which is not something that i would give to one who has demonstrated such irresponsible journalism.

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-06-16 17:00:43 10311
source: M above (all caps his emphasis)
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ON HIS WEBSITE?
Well both wordings are there.  Appears to be a slight confusion of reference.  They should clear that up.  My point would be that Rush did repeat the rumor and repeating unsubstiantied rumors is not good communications. It is not an ethical way to broadcast on the public airways.  Notice that the smear was not reported on M$M (except maybe at foxnews).  Reputable media will usually not repeat unsubstantiated smears.   Btw, your link to Limbaugh's site requires one to sign up and have a password which is not something that i would give to one who has demonstrated such irresponsible journalism.
Unfortunately you have your head up your ass? Rush is a commentator not a reporter.  He gets his material by research of media stories (Nexus & others).  He mentioned it as a rumor on his show. By listening I never thought the tapes really existed.  He never said the tapes existed! That's all. O's smear website is a smear(lie) nothing more.


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-06-16 16:36:37 10311
M 2008-06-16 16:03:52 10311
The very first one:
source: ...

LIE: Rush Limbaugh says a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word


Mark de LA says
Off topic items have summarily been deleted.  This is about Obama's lack of a valid birth certificate & his lies in a website.


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-06-17 10:18:57 10311
I already acked that ther is a discrepency in the Obama smear website ...
source: S above
Well both wordings are there.  Appears to be a slight confusion of reference.
... I have no respect for this node.  Do with it what you wish.
Learn to spell & I will have more respect for your posts.


Mark de LA says
Doubts persist!  I would love to know why the candidate refuses to release his doctor generated birth certificate which should disclose who delivered him & in which hospital.
I hope someone files a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for this information. (All 50 states, the District of Columbia, and some territories have some form of freedom of information legislation. Among the most extensive are Florida's Sunshine Laws.)

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-11-03 07:17:06 10311
One would expect that any revisiting of this node would at least have dealt with the following pertinent fact  ...
source: Honalulu advisor
State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said today she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S.

Earlier today, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.
... oh well.
Yep - Obama got his Democrat cronies in Hawaii to block off any further investigation! Why? Why the stonewall when Obama could just release it?

Seth says
M 2008-11-03 07:53:44 10311
seth 2008-11-03 07:17:06 10311
One would expect that any revisiting of this node would at least have dealt with the following pertinent fact  ...
source: Honalulu advisor
State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said today she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the U.S.

Earlier today, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.
... oh well.
Yep - Obama got his Democrat cronies in Hawaii to block off any further investigation! Why? Why the stonewall when Obama could just release it?
Probably because it contains some small embarrassing fact that the opposition would seize upon and blow out of all proportion.  The republican party is fast becoming the party of small irrelevant intolerances.   Thanks for bringing them to my attention.

Mark de LA says
M 2008-12-04 14:24:40 10311
One might wonder why Obama refuses to release the real birth certificate with the hospital of birth and the doctors names on them and put it all to rest. It makes you wonder what he is hiding, his protestations of protecting others notwithstanding.

If not the supreme court then who is going to interpret the constitution? It is not even hazy that the president has to be a natural born citizen. If he is not & knew it all the time he should be put in jail for life for fraud.

Seth says

The conspiracy theorists will not let this stupid meme die.  Now none other than Clarence Thomas is bringing it up in front of the Supreme Court tomorrow - hopefully to put it to rest once and for all. 

Can you imagine the constitutional crisis, not to mention civil turmoil, that  would ensue should the court declare Obama ineligible to assume the presidency? Who in their right mind would wish that on America?

Seth says
source: Washingtonpost.com
Supreme Court Declines to Hear Obama Nationality Case
...There were no recorded dissents to the decision dismissing the case.
Of course this may not put the issue to bed, once a conspiracy theory takes hold in some minds, reality is rarely a factor.  But let those minds stew in their own juices, what is important here is that there will be no constitutional crisis and the inaguration will go ahead as planned :)

Seth says
M 2008-12-04 14:28:19 10311
M 2008-12-04 14:24:40 10311
One might wonder why Obama refuses to release the real birth certificate with the hospital of birth and the doctors names on them and put it all to rest. It makes you wonder what he is hiding, his protestations of protecting others notwithstanding.

If not the supreme court then who is going to interpret the constitution? It is not even hazy that the president has to be a natural born citizen. If he is not & knew it all the time he should be put in jail for life for fraud.

Mark de LA says
The certificate of live birth is not the same as the birth certificate.  Birth certificates have the names of doctors & hospitals etc. The forgery that was hoisted by Obama's campaign website which has no legal value is not a proof of anything. When will you get that through your liberal mind?


Seth says
source: M above
Any old bureaucrat can be paid off to create a fake certificate of live birth which doesn't have traceable contents to contradict his contentions & no signatures on it.
This is not the case.  Go look at the certificate here.  This is not the one that was published with the numbers redacted. 

I guess you realize just how close to the lunatic fringe your beliefs here have become.  Even the National Review is suggesting that you move on ...
source: NRO
It is not conservatism; it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent. Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it; and get on with the important business of reviving our country’s economy and defending its citizens, and — by the way — its Constitution.
Some say that there is no way to convince a conspiracy theorist that he/she has invested time and belief down the wrong path.  Apparently once this kind of meme grabs hold of your mind, there just is no way to dislodge it - not even with facts.  Some people still believe that the Earth is flat and that Chaney conspired to cause 9-11.  Well have fun with your gremlins, Sir.

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-12-08 10:14:37 10311
M 2008-12-08 09:53:42 10311
The certificate of live birth is not the same as the birth certificate.  Birth certificates have the names of doctors & hospitals etc. The forgery that was hoisted by Obama's campaign website which has no legal value is not a proof of anything. When will you get that through your liberal mind?

Why is a "birth certificate" required here and a "certificate of live birth" not adequate?  The point is whether he was born in Hawaii and this proves it beyond a reasonable doubt.
The reasonable doubt is a hospital in which he was born & an attending doctor who assisted the birth. Also is the official names of the parents.


Seth says
M 2008-12-08 11:50:59 10311
seth 2008-12-08 10:14:37 10311
M 2008-12-08 09:53:42 10311
The certificate of live birth is not the same as the birth certificate.  Birth certificates have the names of doctors & hospitals etc. The forgery that was hoisted by Obama's campaign website which has no legal value is not a proof of anything. When will you get that through your liberal mind?

Why is a "birth certificate" required here and a "certificate of live birth" not adequate?  The point is whether he was born in Hawaii and this proves it beyond a reasonable doubt.
The reasonable doubt is a hospital in which he was born & an attending doctor who assisted the birth. Also is the official names of the parents.

None of which has any bearing on his eligibility to be president of the United States.

Mark de LA says
Too much Obama-juice warps the mind. The only thing that proves that he was born here is a birth certificate. Any old bureaucrat can be paid off to create a fake certificate of live birth which doesn't have traceable contents to contradict his contentions & no signatures on it.  A doctor & an actual hospital are more proof he was born here.  Why he does not want to release those is more proof that they are needed.


Mark de LA says
That's a notary stamp not a doctor who delivered him signature. No hospital is mentioned. Not proof of anything other than somebody put his stamp on it.  It is amazing how you Obama-juicers will accept anything as proof as long as your person wins.  In a court of law you depose & cross-examine witnesses for legal proof.  It is amazing how much you like someone to bull their way through such a thing as eligibility to hold the office of presidency which swears to defend & protect the constitution from all enemies foreign & domestic.  The constitution says you have to be a natural born citizen of the US to be president.  Why won't Obama produce the evidence?  BTW, there is still another lawsuit at the supreme court.


Seth says
M 2008-12-09 10:31:18 10311
seth 2008-12-09 09:21:03 10311
source: M above
Why won't Obama produce the evidence?
He has.  Note: "The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department."  Some people loose their original birth certificate with all that hospital and doctor information and all that is left is what the county holds in its computerized records - apparently that is what happened here.  But of course these facts will never be enough for you. 

Your brain is infected with this meme and will not purge itself.
It would be very interesting & convenient that his long form birth certificate got lost! Do you have any documentation that this is so?  Again the evidence of what hospital & what doctor attended his birth is pertinent & should be somewhere; your attempted ad hominem insults notwithstanding.   If you keep up the ad hominem I recommend that you look at what happens when you strain too hard to protect your liberal friends!
 
It is neither "interesting" nor "convenient" because documents get lost all the time - that is a quite normal flow of events - especially in a family that made as many moves as the Obama's did.  No i have no such evidence of a loss of the document - except just common sense.  The information about the doctor and hospital are not at all pertinent to whether he is eligible to be president.  But you can cast doubt about anything.  And, btw, adhominem  (like i bolded above) attracts adhominem - see if you can respond without it.

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-12-09 09:21:03 10311
source: M above
Why won't Obama produce the evidence?
He has.  Note: "The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department."  Some people loose their original birth certificate with all that hospital and doctor information and all that is left is what the county holds in its computerized records - apparently that is what happened here.  But of course these facts will never be enough for you. 

Your brain is infected with this meme and will not purge itself.
It would be very interesting & convenient that his long form birth certificate got lost! Do you have any documentation that this is so?  Again the evidence of what hospital & what doctor attended his birth is pertinent & should be somewhere; your attempted ad hominem insults notwithstanding.   If you keep up the ad hominem I recommend that you look at what happens when you strain too hard to protect your liberal friends!
 

Mark de LA says
sorry, that impressive picture showed up earlier in the day just waiting for an opportunity to use it & you gave it to me!
I was more inclined to use the first picture (below) to describe your relationship to the above situation:
since I had already used the one on the right before:

Mark de LA says
Actually, I thought it took a lot of guts to make that picture!

Seth says
Well it looks like Obama has a ways to go to clean up the mess - but there is still time for you to join the resistance.  I had originally though that this was the most appropriate response ... but, i setteled on the giant ("rubber ducker sucker fucker" repeat) below as being the most respresentative of my impression of your responses.  But i have one remaining question for a truther such as you ... can you answer this?

Mark de LA says
Although many of your Obama-juicers like to think that BHO is the messiah, he is not. Your comparison as such is is why my previous pictures are accurate. JC is what he is - birth certificate or no.

Seth says
M 2008-12-17 13:51:34 10311
seth 2008-12-17 12:08:37 10311
Yet another challenge to Obama's credential shot down by the Supreme Court ... this time by justice Kennedy.  Will it be enough or will the conspiracy nuts keep it going?
That's not the question. The real question will the asshole ever show his real birth certificate to the public or is this the worlds biggest scam & con for power?
Well, word has it that in his "Dreams Of My Father" he said that he did have the original certificate.  Perhaps he does have some reason, perhaps a sentimental one for not releasing it to the vultures.  But there is no evidence whatsoever that the original would prove that he was not born in Hawaii - and that is the only pertinent fact.  That having been said, you clearly have a irrational prejudice against Obama to call him an asshole and accuse him of a scam based solely on tenuous speculation. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-12-17 12:08:37 10311
Yet another challenge to Obama's credential shot down by the Supreme Court ... this time by justice Kennedy.  Will it be enough or will the conspiracy nuts keep it going?
That's not the question. The real question will the asshole ever show his real birth certificate to the public or is this the worlds biggest scam & con for power?

Mark de LA says
OOPS! got sucked into the RWG again. This one won't end until BHO surrenders his real birth certificate for close media scrutiny, validation & verification! He is the president-elect, no rights of privacy here where the constitution is involved.

Seth says
source: M above
tort reform I'm all for it. That alone would save consumer $$$ in medical malpractice lawsuits. The idea that a lawyer can bankrupt a defendant & force him to settle merely by making it more expensive to fight a lawsuit than settle is disgusting to me.
Wow i agree .... see my 11238.  I wonder why Obama is not tackeling that aspect of driving down health costs? 


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-03-06 12:00:55 10311
Looks like the courts in your town are going to start charging people for their hyperpartisan obstructionism ....
source: not WND
Robertson ordered plaintiff's attorney John Hemenway of Colorado Springs, Colo., to show why he hasn't violated court rules barring frivolous and harassing cases and shouldn't have to pay Obama's attorney, Bob Bauer, for his time arguing that the case should be thrown out.
... but you won't read about it on WND.

... not my town, not my state! But, if you want to argue tort reform I'm all for it. That alone would save consumer $$$ in medical malpractice lawsuits. The idea that a lawyer can bankrupt a defendant & force him to settle merely by making it more expensive to fight a lawsuit than settle is disgusting to me.  If BHO really wanted to bring down the cost of healthcare he would get rid of the lawyers .... oops! (He is one!).

Mark de LA says
Because the various tort lawyers & bar associations were some of the biggest contributors to Obama & Democrat members of Congress.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-03-06 13:51:10 10311
MR 2009-03-06 13:42:58 10311
seth 2009-03-06 13:17:33 10311
MR 2009-03-06 12:55:12 10311
Because the various tort lawyers & bar associations were some of the biggest contributors to Obama & Democrat members of Congress.
Well there is no doubt that trial lawyers are a big lobbying force in Washington and since Obama wants to pass a program he might not want to take on an extra enemy.  But that is not a good reason to make baseless claims and interject partisan static into the conversation.
You acknowledge that it's true & then cry partisanship. Your baseless claim is baseless!

What is true is that tort lawyers & bar associations are some of the biggest contributors to all politicians - democrats and republicans.  But i would hazard a guess that the percent of Obama's contributions form tort lawyers was smaller than your average republican.  Your comment is in fact useless and baseless. It is static.  It just distracts from any rational discussion of how to fix health care.
Your comments are shit too!



Seth says
MR 2009-03-06 15:08:25 10311
seth 2009-03-06 14:33:55 10311
source: Seth above
the percent of Obama's contributions form tort lawyers was smaller than your average republican
Your charts do not refute my statement.  Obama raised far more than the republicans - yet their absolute totals in the graph are almost equal his (eg McCain $3k to Obama $11k).  His percentage from lawyers will be smaller than McCain's. 

I would, however, be interested in actual facts regarding this subject; but not twisted statistics.  Let us see if we can set aside our partisan static long enough to figure out why tort reform is not being mentioned in the administration's health care agenda?
This is why I say no matter what I bring up you will weasel your way out of it - it is futile !Frankly, it is well known that trial lawyers are the biggest impediment to tort reform & medical malpractice reform because of their contributions.  The same goes for school vouchers & the education lobby. Schools won't get better until they compete with the private sector, but the teachers' unions prevent such a change.

The bolded statement is true.  I said as much myself.  But your statement "Because the various tort lawyers & bar associations were some of the biggest contributors to Obama & Democrat members of Congress" is just hyperpartisan nonsense and just gets in the way.  It is still getting in the way.  When you can see past your hatred of Obama, then perhaps your analysis can start to come to grips with the problem.

Seth says
MR 2009-03-06 13:42:58 10311
seth 2009-03-06 13:17:33 10311
MR 2009-03-06 12:55:12 10311
Because the various tort lawyers & bar associations were some of the biggest contributors to Obama & Democrat members of Congress.
Well there is no doubt that trial lawyers are a big lobbying force in Washington and since Obama wants to pass a program he might not want to take on an extra enemy.  But that is not a good reason to make baseless claims and interject partisan static into the conversation.
You acknowledge that it's true & then cry partisanship. Your baseless claim is baseless!

What is true is that tort lawyers & bar associations are some of the biggest contributors to all politicians - democrats and republicans.  But i would hazard a guess that the percent of Obama's contributions form tort lawyers was smaller than your average republican.  Your comment is in fact useless and baseless. It is static.  It just distracts from any rational discussion of how to fix health care.

Seth says
source: Seth above
the percent of Obama's contributions form tort lawyers was smaller than your average republican
Your charts do not refute my statement.  Obama raised far more than the republicans - yet their absolute totals in the graph are almost equal his (eg McCain $3k to Obama $11k).  His percentage from lawyers will be smaller than McCain's. 

I would, however, be interested in actual facts regarding this subject; but not twisted statistics.  Let us see if we can set aside our partisan static long enough to figure out why tort reform is not being mentioned in the administration's health care agenda?

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-03-06 14:33:55 10311
source: Seth above
the percent of Obama's contributions form tort lawyers was smaller than your average republican
Your charts do not refute my statement.  Obama raised far more than the republicans - yet their absolute totals in the graph are almost equal his (eg McCain $3k to Obama $11k).  His percentage from lawyers will be smaller than McCain's. 

I would, however, be interested in actual facts regarding this subject; but not twisted statistics.  Let us see if we can set aside our partisan static long enough to figure out why tort reform is not being mentioned in the administration's health care agenda?
This is why I say no matter what I bring up you will weasel your way out of it - it is futile !Frankly, it is well known that trial lawyers are the biggest impediment to tort reform & medical malpractice reform because of their contributions.  The same goes for school vouchers & the education lobby. Schools won't get better until they compete with the private sector, but the teachers' unions prevent such a change.


Seth says
source: M above
I think the country's problems are way over his head & abilities.
Actually fixing the depression/recession is way over anybody's abilities.  Things go up ... things go down ... it is a natural process.  It is not something you fix.  The measures that are being taken now are like a drop in the bucket compared to the problems.  I wish Obama would say that.  Outside of that it is just in the details of individual programs.  I'm sick of these grand sweeping generalizations.  They are a waste of time.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-03-07 09:17:45 10311
source: M above
I think the country's problems are way over his head & abilities.
Actually fixing the depression/recession is way over anybody's abilities.  Things go up ... things go down ... it is a natural process.  It is not something you fix.  The measures that are being taken now are like a drop in the bucket compared to the problems.  I wish Obama would say that.  Outside of that it is just in the details of individual programs.  I'm sick of these grand sweeping generalizations.  They are a waste of time.
& yet Obama thinks he's going to do it. Or at least he's telling the people he's going to do it with fixing healthcare & carbon taxes!
I say, bring on more clowns!

Mark de LA says
This is an amusing one.  I presume the WH is the origin of the term birthers since ridicule is their chosen way to address Obama's real birth certificate issue. Still it is amusing to me that Obama refuses to publish it & keep it away from the people who have some kind of legitimate right to see it.



Seth says
Finally the real birth certificate emerges, thanks Wonkette ...



Seth says
The birthers think they have found Obama's achilles heel ...
source: crocks and liars

hoosiermama:
The only other thing that hit me was that Sinclair said BO was not circumcised. When my son was born in a hospital that was done as a matter of routine without even consulting us. Would the same be for Hawaii? OTOH People born at home or in some other cultures are not circumcised.

thecodont:
A relative of mine was born (in a hospital) a couple of years after BO's alleged birth date. He was circumcised also (as a matter of routine, not according to any family request).

afraidfortherepublic:
My son was born in June of 1961 in a hospital in CA, and the nurses released us because of miscommunication in a day and a half before the circumcision was done. We had to go back to the doctor’s office to have it done a week later, and the doctor was NOT HAPPY. My second son was born in the same hospital 4 years later. I don’t remember them asking me about it. Routine procedure for little boys.


, really.  But i remember the boys locker room in junior high in the 50's.  The white boys were all circumcised and the black boys were mostly all uncut.  Kind of flys in the face of this notion that hospitals in the US circumcised all the boys as a matter of routine without asking their parents. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-08-24 11:19:05 10311
source: my comment at crooks and liars
Well i remember the boys locker room in a mixed junior high school in the 50's. Most (but not all) of the white boys were circumcised. Most of the black boys (but not all) were uncut. That indicates to me that hospitals did not circumcising boys as a matter of routine. Seeing the Obama dick will prove nothing.
... i think the whole thing is funny.  Hopefully nobody is taking it seriously.
As Farlum Fartalot used to say "It don't mean shit!". (Remember the jakes on the 3rd fl. PJ2)

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-08-24 12:12:15 10311
MR 2009-08-24 11:39:46 10311
seth 2009-08-24 11:19:05 10311
source: my comment at crooks and liars
Well i remember the boys locker room in a mixed junior high school in the 50's. Most (but not all) of the white boys were circumcised. Most of the black boys (but not all) were uncut. That indicates to me that hospitals did not circumcising boys as a matter of routine. Seeing the Obama dick will prove nothing.
... i think the whole thing is funny.  Hopefully nobody is taking it seriously.
As Farlum Fartalot used to say "It don't mean shit!". (Remember the jakes on the 3rd fl. PJ2)
Jakes?
bathroom. It was a slang word CFR used in Znuz is Znees to describe a shithouse.

Mark de LA says
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seth 2009-08-24 11:19:05 10311
source: my comment at crooks and liars
Well i remember the boys locker room in a mixed junior high school in the 50's. Most (but not all) of the white boys were circumcised. Most of the black boys (but not all) were uncut. That indicates to me that hospitals did not circumcising boys as a matter of routine. Seeing the Obama dick will prove nothing.
... i think the whole thing is funny.  Hopefully nobody is taking it seriously.
As Farlum Fartalot used to say "It don't mean shit!". (Remember the jakes on the 3rd fl. PJ2)
Jakes?
bathroom. It was a slang word CFR used in Znuz is Znees to describe a shithouse.
Well i didnt't hang out in the bathroom looking at dicks ... did you? 
I did, however, run into a girl that was into that.
I was referring to a poster in thge 3rd floor bathroom, one of Crumb's comic characters.

C says
I caught one expression which tells me that she doesn't really believe the shit she is dishing out. Enjoy....
Anyway, the fact that Obama refuses to release his real doctor/hospital signed birth certificate, in spite of his bullshit explanation speaks louder than any commentator, apologist or Obamaphile can say.
 
good though!

Seth says

Hey, finally we get something that truly topps the birthers  ... and this girl is serious!!

Watch it!


C says
seth 2011-04-27 07:07:21 10311
LOL !!
I wonder how much it cost Obama for that laugh & why?  .... just to keep it secret that his birth mother's first name was Stanley?


C says
seth 2011-04-28 09:44:45 10311
Sigh, well before i serve up the crow, here is a horderve. I mention this not for any political reasons but just because it is interesting to look in high resolution at these things.  I hink there will be questions raised.  Take a look at the actual pdf document here or get to it from the white house page here

The thing that i find strange is that the registrar seems to have had the official background pattern applied in a computer image creation tool to not only his certification but also to a photocopy from a book.  I would not have done it that way.  I would have photographed the page in the book and shown that photograph in a file along with a photograph of the registrar's signature and seal and then digitally signed that file.  Oh well, he's probably isn't very versed in digital technology.

Some more context on my facebook comment here.
I'm unclear why you are still worried about the document.  I am certain that the CIA or any private entity should have been able to come up with a fake certificate with a dead doctor by now, 2 years later,  that would pass all web-based scrutiny.  Presumably, he originally stated that releasing it would cause undue bothering of the hospital & doctors involved by media.  Now that's OK? If the participants are dead & were dead what does that make of the excuse previously offered?  Why so long? What ever happened to Barry Soetoro? Frankly, rather than a distraction for Obama I think it is a distraction for the media so that they ignore what Barry & the libs are trying to do to the country to make a 3rd world dictatorship out of it. I wonder how much money he had to pay out of his campaign coffers to instantiate the "birthers" mantra & extending it with mockery to all of his opposition - Whoopi race card playing standing up nicely!


C says
seth 2011-04-27 10:36:43 10311
C 2011-04-27 08:58:41 10311
seth 2011-04-27 07:07:21 10311
LOL !!
I wonder how much it cost Obama for that laugh & why?  .... just to keep it secret that his birth mother's first name was Stanley?

Wow ... well so it was ... ...


_______________________________________

... but is the joke really on the birthers for chasing their tails down a rat hole?
nope! it's on the taxpayers who paid for the lawyers & judges who fought the lawsuits trying to discover whatever was in the full birth certificate in the first place.


C says
seth 2011-04-27 16:06:33 10311

Afterbirthers Demand To See Obamas Placenta

... in other news, Trump buys a circus ... fits him self for a Barkers costume.

Are you going to publish your recipe for Slunk Soup? That looks a little raw. Will you be serving crow pate?

Mark de LA says
P.S. GHWBush lost a second term, BTW.


C says
seth 2011-05-02 10:03:23 10311

I just hope that all this crowing does not have unintended consequences.

I wonder if your crow gumbo will last 79 weeks & a day to the 2012 election.
GHWB was at 90% approval after the gulf war I & the economy was not in the toilet like it is today.... etc.

Mark de LA says
GAME OVER!


Seth says
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seth 2011-05-02 11:59:21 10311
Strangely enough i still got some gumbo left ... mostly chicken pieces ... am thinking of putting that into my chicken soup tomorrow.  I wonder, if i keep putting the leftovers of one meal into the next meal, maybe i could keep it going till 2012.  now that i think about it, there are still echos of my last shrimp dish in gumbo.  there will be echos of Osama in 2012 ... and echos of a Muslim man who was born in Kenya and came to America for his education ...  does all of that in the stew make it tastier?
Obama is presumed to be a Christian, eh? or are you talking about his father who is detailed in his education here recently? The point I made is really that there is a long time between now & the election & this is no biggy compared to the disaster that Obama has propagated throughout the economy.  He'll need a hell of an October surprise if things don't pick up & Americans have something besides spare change in their pockets.

Yeah fairly obviously i was talking about his dad ... echos of the father in the son ... its complicated and interwoven ... LOL

In other news, Obama seems to have scored big with Limbaugh!  Strange, just exactly when i would have had Obama do things differently ... see my comment on the on the Charter for Compassion here.

Btw, you should check the economic figures ... things are turning around.  Republicans may not have a big issue on the economy come November.

Mark de LA says
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seth 2011-04-28 09:44:45 10311
Sigh, well before i serve up the crow, here is a horderve. I mention this not for any political reasons but just because it is interesting to look in high resolution at these things. 
I'm unclear why you are still worried about the document. 

Which part of the "I mention this not for any political reasons but just because it is interesting to look in high resolution at these things. " are you unclear about?

Said another way:  I am interested only in understanding this pdf document.
Your apparent head in the sand notwithstanding - it is political. The document is of no interest if not political. Any attempts at document forensics is bemusing. I put a better context on your politics considering the way you introduced the latest on my item.

My sentences are true, that was my interest .... consequently when you write that the document is of no interest if not political, you are penning an untrue sentence.  My forensic analysis of the document, while bemusing to you, was of interest to me.

But, yes, brother, certainly Obama's release of the document is a political action.  The questioning of the document in a political context is also a political action.   The questioning of the questioning in a political context is also a political action ...  etc ...

I actually have no interest in questioning the document in a political context.  I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, and that those facts have been recorded in the registrar's office in Hawaii, and that the president has presented adequate documentation of those facts.   My only political interest would be in questioning the strategies and intentions of those people who are questioning those facts.  But i doubt that you would be interested in that aspect of the matter.
Extend that even farther & question those who make it a sin to question those in government & who have a spokesman that belittles their questions.
well, i do believe that i covered that with my " ... etc ... ".    I think that the birthers and politicians who pander to them are attempting to discredit Obama because he is not your normal kind of white male president.  He is different.  Questioning his birth draws attention to that fact.  That, imho, is their strategy and intention for questioning his birth place.   Seriously questioning Obama's birth place, in the light of all of the evidance, is where the birthers hope that his differentness can be actually legitimized.  Note the word hope.  Note how many times Trump used it in regards this matter.  

I have your crow ready ... i made it into a Gumbo.  
I guess that last comment makes you & Whoopi racists - enjoy the taste of your racist gumbo!

Mark de LA says
Then again, if he can't remember his own birthday without a teleprompter it still gives cause to wonder!


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