Sarah Palin has Trig problems

About: rumor

I don't believe this rumor ... for me it just serves to add color to the story of this potential 45th president of the United States. But the question that I would like to pose is what was she thinking when she got pregnant? I mean here is a 44 year old woman with 4 children; she just became governor of the state of Alaska, and she does not think to use birth control. How irresponsible is that?

Update 9/1/8 - Palin Admits her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. Finally putting an end to the rumor that started this item.

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Mark de LA says
It is more responsible than in the "lower 48" where the women kill their babies both after conception & after birth - in the name of the Obama liberal sacrament of RoeVWade.
(;-p)

Mark de LA says

Any support for "She has more experience at doing stuff than Obama." ... otherwise it just hangs out there as a contra-common-sense statement.

NONSENSICAL

One can see that you must be an expert in family-planning! It's nobody's business how many children you have nor at what age you have them as long as you take care of them & pay for their upkeep, etc. If you want a country that interferes with all of that go to China or the Middle East.

A governor of a state exercises a lot more leadership than a Senator. That's why very few senators ever become president. The last one was JFK. Making pie-in-the-sky, pandering speeches is not leadership. You have to be responsible for getting the results. About all that Obama has demonstrated is that for his acolytes he can put on a good show.

Mark de LA says

Actually I think it will be rather refreshing to have a woman president with a large family because it might keep a downward pressure on anti-family taxation measures coming from congress & perhaps even wars.

Seth says

M 2008-08-30 15:05:38 10412

Rush predicted last Friday that the libs & M$M would go after Palin for her 5th baby, particularly because it has Down syndrome. Why didn't she abort it? Maybe life is sacred to her as opposed to the Democrat party. Anyway, as long as you can pay for & support your children there is nothing wrong with having as many as you want & can support. Of course if you want to go to China you are allowed by the government only one! See Rush (if you can)

I doubt that anybody (in their right mind) is faulting Palin for her Down syndrome baby or for not aborting it. That would just be a stupid politically incorrect stance - so Rush is just propping up a straw man. My complaint with her is that she allowed herself to get pregnant when (1) she was too old and (2) it obviously was not planned. That does not show good judgment. If your wife did that, would you not question her?

Nor did McCain show good judgement for picking her ... if he believes his own "lack of experience" argument against Obama, then why would he put a person who has absolutely no foregn policy experience just a heartbeat from being commander and chief?

W'll see how this plays out ... one way or the other it will make for a more interesting campaign season ... it does make the old man's ticket look more like a family.

How long do we need to wait till we see a poster showing McCain and Sara nursing the baby ?

Seth says

M 2008-08-30 17:07:58 10412

Who are you to say when she's too old? Mother nature has that say. She has more experience at doing stuff than Obama. A senator who did little more than run for president in his 2 years in the senate is trumped by a real governor of a state twice the size of Texas. How do you know the baby wasn't planned?

It's not me it's the medical profession who recommend against having babies after 35.

Any support for "She has more experience at doing stuff than Obama." ... otherwise it just hangs out there as a contra-common-sense statement.

source: M above
How do you know the baby wasn't planned?

Well ... err if it was planned ... then, as i said above ... what was she thinking? ... IOW what was the planning involved? (1) She already has 4 children, (2) She just became Governor of Alaska, (3) she is way over the age that women are "supposed" to have babies. So if it were planned, then that would be an even worse indication of her judgment. Use some common sense ... there was an "OH SHIT" moment when either Sarah or her daughter missed their period.

Mark de LA says

seth 2008-09-01 09:50:04 10412

M 2008-09-01 09:43:34 10412

P.S. Obama only recently threw his pastor under the bus (not 20 years ago) - before his candidacy he had his head conveniently in the sand (or not) about Wright's form of racism.

One of those binds ... these are funny ... he is criticized if he rejects his pastor, and he is criticized if he does not reject his pastor.

This was just a criticism of his having chosen him in the first place & then persisted knowing what he was.

Seth says

In his acceptance speech Obama said:

source: text of speech at 2008 nominating convention
"We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country."

IOW, the aim of public policy should be to reduce the number of abortions, not to criminalize them. One method of reducing abortions is to fund birth control education. But apparently Sarah Palin does not agree; she is a firm supporter of abstinence-only education in schools. Now her own daughter has become the poster child proving that Abstinence-only sex education does not reduce teen pregnancies.

Mark de LA says

source: ... Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Barack Obama is drawing gasps from pro-life advocates today over comments he made during a campaign stop in Pennsylvania over the weekend. The leading Democratic presidential candidate appeared to back a potential decision by his daughters to seek an abortion saying he wouldn't "punish" them with a baby.

...

In Obama's world apparently babies are mistakes that women get punished with.

What a sick point of view.

Seth says

source: msnbc
In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire, Palin gave this response to the following question:

Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Palin: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

Public funded sex education is certainly a ticklish issue. The fact is that there are some teens who do not know what they are doing and make mistakes. The though is that if these youngsters know what they are doing and the consequences, then we will end up with less unwanted pregnancies and fewer abortions. I agree that handing out condoms in schools gives the wrong signal. I don't know what is actually taught in these abstinence-until-marriage programs. It might be interesting to investigate what teens know when they go into the program and what they know when they come out of the program vs the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions vs a more explicit program. Don't forget what the objective of these programs are: reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and reduce the number of abortions.

Mark de LA says

seth 2008-09-02 08:45:17 10412

It might be interesting to investigate what teens know when they go into the program and what they know when they come out of the program vs the number of unwanted pregnancies and abortions vs a more explicit program. Don't forget what the objective of these programs are: reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and reduce the number of abortions.

Methinks you are tilting at a strawman tied to one of your windmills. What teen is so stupid that she doesn't know in this day & age that she gets pregnant by fucking? What is needed is moral guidance from parents instead of "they're going to do it anyway so we had better give them condoms & turn them on to planned parenthood abortions". Maybe in some cloister in Appalachia or some excommunicated cult spinoff of the Mormanism there might be that kind of ignorance, but I will bet that you could do a double-blind study & find information is not lacking in junior & high schools. What is lacking is the moral compass & values needed to support the choice not to fuck! No public school is likely to teach that effectively!

Seth says

M 2008-09-03 12:24:34 10412

seth 2008-09-03 11:56:22 10412

M 2008-09-03 11:34:21 10412

M 2008-09-03 11:16:47 10412

M 2008-09-03 11:12:56 10412

Liberals were never about logic. In plain words:

Quit fucking if you don't want to get knocked up!

BTW, anything else is about HOPE! Gee, I HOPE I don't get knocked up!

Life without consequences is a blast; life WITH consequences is a bitch!

Yep, not fucking sure as fuck does it. I do, however, think you are overestimating the knowledge of teens regarding reproduction. If anecdotal but true evidence is admissible, i know of one person who learned about the process only after the deed had been done. Many children simply do not get this information formally ... either from their parents, or from the school system. Burning a particular brand of morality into our public education system does not seem like a good way to go. On the other hand, passing out condoms in schools does give the wrong message. These things are not as black and white as the "moral majority" wants you to believe. That is why i like Obama's practical approach better than touting a rigid moralistic creed.

Unfortunately Obama's abortion at any stage including accidental survival of abortion is beyond my morality - I'm going to have to opt out of that nonsence! See 10418.

Perhaps if you understood Obama's abortion policy for what it was rather than the cartoon characterization of it that you keep quoting from right wing commentators, you opinion would actually matter to me.

Mark de LA says

seth 2008-09-02 12:25:17 10412

choy 2008-09-02 12:18:29 10412

seth 2008-09-02 12:11:23 10412

choy 2008-09-02 11:22:35 10412

One last thought on Palin & the family reproductive issues. I thought the liberals claim that the Supreme Court found a right to privacy for a woman's Vagina. How do they explain their extreme media vaginal exam of the Palins ?

goes along with their rectal exam of Barack's preacher.

Thank's, I didn't know there was a right to privacy for preacher's rectums in the US Constitution!

Right there in the first amendment ... separation of church and state. Now where is this allegid vaginal privacy stuff?

A woman's right to privacy in her body is what Roe-v-Wade asserts as the basis of abortion so-called rights.

Seth says

Summing up ... thanks politicalirony.com

Mark de LA says

another point of view!

Mark de LA says

seth 2008-09-03 12:43:25 10412

M 2008-09-03 12:29:48 10412

Frankly I think there is an amoral majority alive & working mostly in Hollywood & the Democrat party!

One of the features of Muslim politics is that their public policy is dictated by the Koran. I believe that it is(was) a strength of American politics that morality is substantially a private matter and not one that the state should dictate. Unfortunately the religious right became a political force in the 90's, with the agenda of letting the government get involved in dictating our morality; and in the current administration have pushed the line in the wrong direction. Doesn't that bother you as a libertarian? Mark, that is actually a serious question for you to address.

My registration is independent. I probably get more phone calls because one side or the other wants to make sure that the "undecideds" vote their way. I also enjoy telling the pollsters to hang on & I will be glad to answer all their questions after I take a most urgent shit!

BTW, MY DEFINITION of morality is following the Golden Rule at the individual level. I don't need a church, mosque, synagogue, temple or any other kind of organization to do it. Obama once touted that he believes in the golden rule as well but then he is unable to reconcile that with abortion IMHO. Or maybe he does which is insanity!

Seth says

M 2008-09-03 12:29:48 10412

Frankly I think there is an amoral majority alive & working mostly in Hollywood & the Democrat party!

Mark de LA says

above: ...
Perhaps if you understood Obama's abortion policy for what it was rather than the cartoon characterization of it that you keep quoting from right wing commentators, you opinion would actually matter to me.

... I understand O's abortion policy by his votes & his behaviors. To a partisan nobody's opinion matters except those who agree -LOL. He dares not offend the abortion lobby which is a prime constituent. He certainly doesn't have my "it's none of the government's business nor anything to be funded by the government" clarity on the issue.

Seth says

M 2008-09-05 16:11:58 10412

seth 2008-09-01 13:38:13 10412

Ok, it's official ... she's hot

If you are interested in the photoshop sources for this picture & several more false pictures of Palin go here.

Yeah, i was wondering about that one. Shpopped by putting Sarah's face on this picture. Good chop job though.

Mark de LA says

seth 2008-09-08 16:15:32 10412

choy 2008-09-08 15:43:14 10412

seth 2008-09-08 15:13:10 10412

I guess this is a fitting item on which to collect Palin's gaffs ...

source: Sarah Palin
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers."

Where's the gaff?

Fannie and Freddie are being bailed out because real estate values plummeted and they had to take on too many risky loans - not as Sarah claims they became too big and expensive to the taxpayers. In fact, until this bailout they have not cost the taxpayers anything. That's just off the top of my head, but by all means read the article and research it if you need more information. Apparently Palin had no idea what these vital institutions did or how they got funded by private money.

Read more if you think you knew it all before today's bailout. It was part of FDR's New Deal - need I say more? I suspect that like Social Security it is a ponzi scheme & in effect it did Enron type accounting before the fall acccording to some.

Seth says

choy 2008-09-08 15:43:14 10412

seth 2008-09-08 15:13:10 10412

I guess this is a fitting item on which to collect Palin's gaffs ...

source: Sarah Palin
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers."

Where's the gaff?

Seth says

I'm gonna record this one as a Palin gaff too ... remember that bridge to nowhere that she is trying to get so much mileage from ... the one she campaigned for and then said she rejected?

source: By Josh Marshall

No Thanks (But I'll Keep the Pork)

Sarah Palin and John McCain are going all over the country saying how Sarah Palin killed the Bridge to Nowhere (not true) and that she said "No Thanks" to the Feds when presented with the money.

Really?

What happened to the $223 million Palin is saying she said "No Thanks" to?

She kept it. Once it was no longer earmarked for the Bridge, Palin kept it for other pork barrel projects of her own choosing.

Sarah Palin and John McCain are going all over the country saying how Sarah Palin killed the Bridge to Nowhere (not true) and that she said "No Thanks" to the Feds when presented with the money.

Really?

What happened to the $223 million Palin is saying she said "No Thanks" to?

She kept it. Once it was no longer earmarked for the Bridge, Palin kept it for other pork barrel projects of her own choosing.

Seth says

M 2008-09-09 10:34:56 10412

If somebody gave me a million$ to study how to polish a turd I think I might take the money & do something useful with it!

Building a bridge to an island where not many people live is not necessarily a bad thing. I'll bet that when they built the Golden Gate there were not many people living in Marin county. I doubt it is a wise policy that says "all earmarks are bad" because some valid projects need to be boot strapped or they will not happen and perhaps they really do need to happen ... eg Hoover dam. What's wrong with using federal money. But there certainly needs to be accountability and overall budgetary restraint.

Palin needs to explain why it originally was a good idea ... then why she changed her mind. Otherwise, if everything out of her mouth is going to be just a cute campaign slogan, she looses her credibility with me.

Mark de LA says

M 2008-09-09 12:13:48 10412

An O-partisan probably wouldn't believe anything out of Palin anyway - no loss there except the fact that O!hope voted for the bridge to nowhere.

source: ...
Now that Alaska is front and center in the news again, it is a good time to catch up on a favorite story, The Bridge to Nowhere, using the Washington Post US Congress Votes Database. Though Gov. Palin originally supported the earmark spending on the Ketchikan bridge (“to nowhere), she eventually killed the project, chosing to spend Federal money on other infrasturcture programs. However, Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief. Sen. McCain did not vote on the Coburn Amendment, though he is on record as opposing the Ketchikan bridge earmark.

...

Seth says

Sarah Palin expressing her view that women who are raped should not have abortions. She did duck the question of whether she would support the rape clause in legislation by reaffirming her own personal choice in the matter.

Mark de LA says

Here's a fascinating thought - what if the woman who got pregnant is a prostitute & has no idea who the father is? is she has syphilis? if she has AIDS?

Seth says

M 2008-09-11 07:59:46 10412

Here's a fascinating thought - what if the woman who got pregnant is a prostitute & has no idea who the father is? is she has syphilis? if she has AIDS?

In my view, and i believe in the view of RowVWade, none of thes circumstances matter to the law ... though they most certainly matter to the woman. She is the best person to make the choice (period).

Mark de LA says

seth 2008-09-11 10:25:02 10412

M 2008-09-11 07:59:46 10412

Here's a fascinating thought - what if the woman who got pregnant is a prostitute & has no idea who the father is? is she has syphilis? if she has AIDS?

In my view, and i believe in the view of RowVWade, none of thes circumstances matter to the law ... though they most certainly matter to the woman. She is the best person to make the choice (period).

I agree as far as the governments are concerned. OTOH, it is she & God (or Mammon?) in concert that will have the final say about the consequences.

I posed this question to see if anyone would debase one kind of possible baby over another.

Seth says

M 2008-09-11 14:18:45 10412

seth 2008-09-11 13:44:09 10412

M 2008-09-11 13:14:37 10412

seth 2008-09-11 12:00:49 10412

source: M above
it is she & God (or Mammon?) in concert that will have the final say about the consequences.

Humans act one way or another in anticipation and expectation of consequences. But humans, obviously, do not have the "final say" as to what those consequences are. Those consequences are up to the rest of the universe ... i guess you could call that God. Are you saying anything here beyond that?

Spun in a somewhat parallel direction is the notion Karma & the Golden Rule. Someday in some parallel Universe God might just ignore her silent pleas to be born.

Any politician who claims to hear those pleas to be born is telling a lie. Even talking about them is, imho, inappropriate for a politician. Do you hear the silent pleas of your sperm to find an egg? Do they cry out in protest when you get a bj?

I am not a politician. A sperm is not an embryo and is little more than a hair follicle or some discarded skin (or a blood cell in your stool) - not the potential of a fertilized egg in the mother's womb. I was speaking to potential mothers & those who might see beyond Mammon & the material world. If you can't, move along there is nothing here for you. Besides, you can't speak for everyone - you may not be listening carefully enough over your own internal noise!

In case you didn't notice, this item is about Sarah Palin and her birth control, or lack of it. It is not about the voices you hear in your head. Any politician who hears these voices is either crazy or is telling a lie. Trying to project your conscience as coming out of a embryo in a girls womb is just more rhetoric and confusion of reference.

Mark de LA says

-snip-

The detailed research in this article makes the point that McCain's long standing record in the senate may have actually increased abortions. So if you want more abortions, the Palin/McCain ticket is the one for you.

The readily available free abortions provided at government expense coupled with the lack of a moral education either in the schools or in the home along with the ever increasing permissive secular culture creates more abortions. Vote for Obama & you get all of the above.

Seth says

M 2008-09-19 10:47:15 10412

I thought this would show up sometime & here it is:

Libertarian Group Condemns Sarah Palin for Not Killing Disabled Baby in Abortion

source: ... Provenzo, who writes for the Center for the Advancement of Capitalism, not only bashes her for allowing Trig to be born, but says she should have made the so-called morally justifiable decision to kill him in an abortion.

...

I seriously doubt that this man can call himself a libertarian. It offends me deeply & shows why abortion should be removed from the political sphere completely!

Well i agree that dising Palin for not having an abortion is absurd.

The Trig affair, to me, represents why we should have a culture that encourages responsible pre-conception birth control. That is the best way to prevent abortions. The detailed research in this article makes the point that McCain's long standing record in the senate may have actually increased abortions. So if you want more abortions, the Palin/McCain ticket is the one for you.

SO says
Responsible pre-conception birth control-abstinence?
Does abstinence work 100%?
The best way to prevent abortion?
Make abortion illegal.
Teach and promot abstinence.
Simple?

Mark de LA says

SO 2008-10-08 21:13:34 10412

Responsible pre-conception birth control-abstinence?
Does abstinence work 100%?
The best way to prevent abortion?
Make abortion illegal.
Teach and promot abstinence.
Simple?

Making something illegal does not necessarily prevent it otherwise there wouldn't be so many fucking drug pushers & drug addicts & crooked congressmen & politicians! The way to prevent abortions is to prevent conceptions. The way to prevent unwanted conceptions is to summon some degree of consciousness of exactly what the fuck you are doing at all times! Zen works every time it is tried.

SO says
Having drugs illigal does prevent alot of drug use.
We are talking prevention not elimination.
We are not able to eliminat all opprertion around the world.
People are not perfect that is why we have laws.
Murdering people is illigal but people are murdered every day.

Seth says

SO 2008-10-09 11:10:48 10412

Abortion is murdering the most inoccent of all a child.
Life and Liberty rights begin at conception.

When "rights" begin is a legal issue. It is not something that is up to you. The law in most states have it that "rights" begin at birth.

SO says
Yes it is something up to me and you because we vote.

Seth says

SO 2008-10-09 11:25:04 10412

Yes it is something up to me and you because we vote.

Well i guess we could vote and change the law. Problem is that RoeVWade means that not only would a state need to change the law, but they would also need to either change the constitution or the supreme court. Getting all of that changed will not be an easy thing to do especially when about half the country want it the way it is.

SO says
Abortion is murdering the most inoccent of all a child.
Life and Liberty rights begin at conception.

Mark de LA says

SO 2008-10-09 10:28:32 10412

Having drugs illigal does prevent alot of drug use.
We are talking prevention not elimination.
We are not able to eliminat all opprertion around the world.
People are not perfect that is why we have laws.
Murdering people is illigal but people are murdered every day.

So do you have a point at all?

I quote from you

SO: ...
The best way to prevent abortion?Make abortion illegal.

...

SO says
Over turning RoeVWade means upholding the constitution.
Over turning a Supreme court ruling is nothing new.
Half the country agrees with this ruling is debatable.

Mark de LA says

When your rights are taken away by some madman in power you might want to rethink how much of an illusion your rights really are. I am not arguing against the rule of law. There are many "sea lawyers" who think they have rights to things. The BO generation wants to make up rights to all kinds of things like healthcare, housing, Robin Hood access to wealthy people's money & belongings etc. - none of which are in the Constitution. When 50% of the population doesn't pay taxes that part then begins to think they are entitled to your goods by majority rule.

Seth says

M 2008-10-09 11:42:44 10412

seth 2008-10-09 11:18:28 10412

SO 2008-10-09 11:10:48 10412

Abortion is murdering the most inoccent of all a child.
Life and Liberty rights begin at conception.

When "rights" begin is a legal issue. It is not something that is up to you. The law in most states have it that "rights" begin at birth.

Rights are an illusion that exist as long as a system supports them. Some Supreme Court justices got together within the "system" & decided that the rights of a child didn't begin until they were born. Before that most of society agreed that it was some form of murder. Rights are abstract they do not occur in nature like the law of gravity. Furthermore you don't always get what you vote for. Rights are not really tangible at all. The practical side of rights is that as long as more muscle is on the side of a so-called right than against it you have that right if you are on the side of the muscle.

I don't have a problem with most of what you say. Rights are things created by men and enforced by the powers we grant to our government. They exist, they are not an illusion - else the power that enforces them is an illusion, which it is not. Comparing the laws of physics to the breakable, and changeable rules of human society is as idiotic as thinking that those rules are an illusion. Therein lies the thinking of a madman or a anarchist.

Mark de LA says

I wonder if those who call themselves pro-choice realize that the term actually includes the option NOT to have an abortion! From those who deride Sarah Palin's choice one should wonder hard whether the behavior of the pro-choice crowd really shows up as choice!

Seth says

M 2008-11-15 08:36:22 10412

Of course they do ... this is really a stupid question. For the record and my pov read the item body. I do not fault Plain for choosing to have Trig. That was a righteous choice. No one, in their right mind in the pro-choice movement would fault her for having the baby. I do, however, fault her for not using responsible birth control. Look at the results of her example on her own daughter. Think of how many other teen age girls will follow her example. Doah! Teach you children to use a condom if they are going to be sexually active. Lead by example!

Mark de LA says

Sorry I put my comment on apparently a birth control node. BTW, who is faulting Sarah Palin for not using responsible birth control, you? What do you know about her birth control situation. Her daughter's birth control situation is also none of the public's business.

Seth says

M 2008-12-19 11:56:33 10412

seth 2008-12-19 11:24:12 10412

Another conspiracy theory bits the dust: a girl cannot have two babies within 8 months.

Apparently a new conspiracy is being spread by you. What about premature births & other details? Most of you Palin bashers must be sad that Bush is fading fast as a target nowadays & Palin went back to Alaska; some of the hate-Palin mongers even burned her church. Get a life!

Gimme a break ... almost everyone will be glad to get rid of Bush and will be glad not to have him to bash ... besides we can still bash him ... Palin too. I saw a bumper sticker last night that was astounding in it's simplicity and its honesty: Bush is a fucking asshole!

The only reason i posted this comment was to put an end to the conspiracy that started this item. Too bad M does not end his conspiracy items, but just keeps them going even beyond all reasonable doubt.

</conspiracy>

Seth says

Levi Johnston keeps bugging Palin ...

source: Levi Johnston via Vanity Fair
Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret—nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn’t have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging—she wouldn’t give up. She would say, “So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn’t want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid.

The myth of Sarah keeps getting bigger and bigger ... maybe she is The Great White Hope.

Sarah Palin has Trig problems

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Quit fucking if you don't want to get knocked up!

BTW, anything else is about HOPE! Gee, I HOPE I don't get knocked up!

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