The Sorry State of Journalism
About: worldwatch - october 5, 2008 - would the last honest reporter please turn on the lights? - the ornery american
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If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats -- including Barack Obama -- and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans -- then you are not journalists by any standard.
You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a daily newspaper in our city.
...But alas! Facts don't seem to matter any more...
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Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!
What? It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?
Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.
...Read the whole commentary. If you have eyes to see with not glazed over by too much politics, then you might wake up or the light might go on.
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Mark de LA says
seth 2008-10-29 09:16:46 10689
M 2008-10-29 09:05:23 10689
seth 2008-10-29 09:01:26 10689
That's true in the sense that what it is all about didn't show up in the first 2 paragraph. That is basic journalism I learned in junior high school.
Well my complaint is more in the content than the form. But yes, if you hadn't already been following the scam it would have been hard to figure it out by that one article. I doubt that anything of this will actually show up on Foxnews. Me thinks this article is trying to hint at why the tape will never air. You can read about the original story on none other than worldnetdaily, with which i'm sure your familiar. This is not M$M ... this is fringy stuff.
Yep, it is prolly fringe. I don't much worry about michelle since she professed to love her country. She has been muzzled enough that she doesn't show up much on the news front radar any more.
Mark de LA says
M 2008-10-29 08:58:03 10689
seth 2008-10-29 08:32:59 10689
M 2008-10-29 08:07:13 10689
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Los Angeles sheriff's officials say the Halloween display isn't a hate crime. Authorities are keeping an eye on the house to make sure the situation doesn't get out of hand.
Los Angeles sheriff's officials say the Halloween display isn't a hate crime. Authorities are keeping an eye on the house to make sure the situation doesn't get out of hand.
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I wonder what would have happened had someone done a mock hanging of Obama! I suspect the media would have had a weeklong newsfront on that one with calls for all kinds of prosecution.
<==to the media & LA cops.
I wonder what would have happened had someone done a mock hanging of Obama! I suspect the media would have had a weeklong newsfront on that one with calls for all kinds of prosecution.<==to the media & LA cops.I'll let my pumpkin express what I think about your post & RWG.. The concern was the shades of lynching it might communicate, but is it any different than the thing with Pailin?
Well it seems as if Obama finally got hanged in effigy in Kentucky campus. How come no pictures? Is it still there ?
Mark de LA says
seth 2008-10-29 09:01:26 10689
That's true in the sense that what it is all about didn't show up in the first 2 paragraph. That is basic journalism I learned in junior high school.
Mark de LA says
I don't know what this off-topic material is it didn't pop out in the first 2 paragraphs. It's a waste of space here.
Mark de LA says
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Los Angeles sheriff's officials say the Halloween display isn't a hate crime. Authorities are keeping an eye on the house to make sure the situation doesn't get out of hand.
Los Angeles sheriff's officials say the Halloween display isn't a hate crime. Authorities are keeping an eye on the house to make sure the situation doesn't get out of hand.
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I wonder what would have happened had someone done a mock hanging of Obama! I suspect the media would have had a weeklong newsfront on that one with calls for all kinds of prosecution.
<==to the media & LA cops.
I wonder what would have happened had someone done a mock hanging of Obama! I suspect the media would have had a weeklong newsfront on that one with calls for all kinds of prosecution.<==to the media & LA cops.
Mark de LA says
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"CNN ripped the National Review's Byron York's quote completely out of context and stood its meaning on its head, all so they could dishonestly bash Gov. Palin with it. This is the lowest form of sub-tabloid journalism. CNN's distortion simply proves York to be correct: the media are out to destroy Sarah Palin.
... e pluribus unum cases in point!
Mark de LA says
Nothing I said suggests that I look at the world through right-wing glasses. I tend more toward the Libertarian. Get the government out of my way! I like some Conservatism, more the WFB style than Rush's. I like RS more than all that because he seems to throw it all up in the air & reorganize it when it comes down with an organic & spiritual context. Revolution, Involution, Evolution ? Zen is my preference for the way [to do it].
In a future item in [tags 3rd street] I will attempt to put universal health care in the context of the [group threefold society].
A preview would hold that the domains of teaching & education along with healing which is also an art & science (but definitely not economics) should be independent of the rights administration (government) and the economic domain. How to get there from here is an interesting challenge.
Jennifer says
You watch this http://www.lasvegassun.com/videos/2008/oct/22/983/
You watch this http://www.lasvegassun.com/videos/2008/oct/22/983/
Mark de LA says
M 2008-10-25 21:23:11 10689
I wonder if he will ever produce a valid Hawaiian birth certificate - complete with hospital, doctor's signatures etc.
Well at least one woman newscaster was willing to ask Joe "Hairplugs" Biden some hard questions which he just lied his way through. Kudos to her!
This reminds me of the fact that Obama succeeded in getting his first government job as a state senator by using legal manuvering to force all his opponents off the ballot. He seems to like to run unopposed.
I wonder if he will ever produce a valid Hawaiian birth certificate - complete with hospital, doctor's signatures etc.source: ...
"That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice." 
Watch how Obama shut out challengers in his first race »
...The Soviet Union & to some extent today in Russia & certainly Iran there still seem to be ways of keeping elections down to a single candidate.
Jennifer says
I found another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL20TdHjX2s
I found another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL20TdHjX2s
Seth says
This item seems to have the most about the nasty side of the campaign so my comment will fit right along. This is a serious problem and one that McCain/Palin should well consider ... especially since they apparently think they can win. The following article sums up my arguments more eloquently than i ever could myself.
Why doesn't he just run on firm republican principles? Those arguments are the strongest rational reason to vote for him. They might even convince me if they were expressed adequately and backed up with proposed policies that didnt just involve redistributing my money to wall street CEO's. But no, some smart political operative has him convinced that the only way he can get elected is to paint the black man as too different for the old America.
Mark, you might want to consider this argument seriously ... and not just respond out of partisan knee jerks. IOW answer the question honestly: What happens in America if McCain wins?
source: Jeffrey Feldman
The panic whipped up by the McCain campaign in PA sounds horrific because of the ugliness and hate that it pours into the election, but the real threat it poses to our ability to get things done. If John McCain were to win the election by kicking up enough anti-Muslim, anti-African-American, anti-Liberal, conspiracy theory rage--he would have transformed the country into utter chaos in the process. Such a campaign--if victorious--would push our civic culture beyond the point where it was able to recover and function. And under such conditions, McCain would ultimately preside over a nation capable of little more than pitchforks and torches.
The panic whipped up by the McCain campaign in PA sounds horrific because of the ugliness and hate that it pours into the election, but the real threat it poses to our ability to get things done. If John McCain were to win the election by kicking up enough anti-Muslim, anti-African-American, anti-Liberal, conspiracy theory rage--he would have transformed the country into utter chaos in the process. Such a campaign--if victorious--would push our civic culture beyond the point where it was able to recover and function. And under such conditions, McCain would ultimately preside over a nation capable of little more than pitchforks and torches.
Why doesn't he just run on firm republican principles? Those arguments are the strongest rational reason to vote for him. They might even convince me if they were expressed adequately and backed up with proposed policies that didnt just involve redistributing my money to wall street CEO's. But no, some smart political operative has him convinced that the only way he can get elected is to paint the black man as too different for the old America. Mark, you might want to consider this argument seriously ... and not just respond out of partisan knee jerks. IOW answer the question honestly: What happens in America if McCain wins?
Mark de LA says
Seth (above): ... Then too is there really any being that exists that is the M$M or is that just a myth? Certainly if there is such a being and if your proposition is true then the Foxnews channel is not a member of it. They are running 24 hour infomercials exactly on your list. If right wing talk radio is a member, then your proposition is false as well, as they are doing the same. Also there are just as many right wing newspapers if your consider the entire country as there are liberal minded ones. And there are just as many right wing blogs and online news outlets as there are liberal ones. So what sources are members of this erstwhile M$M ?
When things don't go your way, its easy to blame the M$M, and just as easily anticipated. What would be refreshing is if a politician would say something like: Wow what good press I am getting!
When things don't go your way, its easy to blame the M$M, and just as easily anticipated. What would be refreshing is if a politician would say something like: Wow what good press I am getting!... Most newspapers & TV[ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBC] lean left; FoxNews strives for balance but they avoid leaning left. M$M is a shorthand acronym. If you prefer the term The Fourth Estate use it, I like mine better implying on top of that the idea that NEWS is a financial enterprise & hence biased by nature. IMHO, the term Fourth Estate gives it too much respect. Rush Limbaugh is NOT a reporter & not a news outlet. Neither are other commentary shows, talk radio & blogs like this. 
Rush is a commentator & entertainer & has stated that up front he espouses Conservatism. OTOH, the M$M pretends (lately not so much) to be neutral. That's the difference. I got my statistics from something that went bye on Drudge. I couldn't find it this morning, but this article from the Washington Post presents the gist of the idea. I don't think your statistics on the population of left-wing/right-wing newspapers & blogs is true - reference? Left-wing radio failed to be financially feasible prolly because no business should want to advertise on an anti-business station.
Rush is a commentator & entertainer & has stated that up front he espouses Conservatism. OTOH, the M$M pretends (lately not so much) to be neutral. That's the difference. I got my statistics from something that went bye on Drudge. I couldn't find it this morning, but this article from the Washington Post presents the gist of the idea. I don't think your statistics on the population of left-wing/right-wing newspapers & blogs is true - reference? Left-wing radio failed to be financially feasible prolly because no business should want to advertise on an anti-business station.
Mark de LA says
seth 2008-10-26 11:14:13 10689
source: M above
FoxNews strives for balance but they avoid leaning left
FoxNews strives for balance but they avoid leaning left
Let me ask you a question: Does MSNBC strive for balance and avoid leaning right?
Well they moved in that direction when they fired Chris Matthews & Keith Oberman as news anchors. But then they fucked themselves right back in the ass when they held them on as commentators.
Seth says
M 2008-10-26 11:34:48 10689
seth 2008-10-26 11:26:22 10689
M 2008-10-26 11:23:02 10689
seth 2008-10-26 11:14:13 10689
source: M above
FoxNews strives for balance but they avoid leaning left
FoxNews strives for balance but they avoid leaning left
Let me ask you a question: Does MSNBC strive for balance and avoid leaning right?
Well they moved in that direction when they fired Chris Matthews & Keith Oberman as news anchors. But then they fucked themselves right back in the ass when they held them on as commentators.
You didn't answer the question.
I thought it was rhetorical.
Nope, it is a legitimate question to compare what you would say about Foxnews vs MSNBC. Your made a definite statement about Fox, now can you do the same about MSNBC?
To me both channels are pretty much symmetrically complementary. MSNBC has a left wing addenda but includes conservitive views to appear balanced. Fox has a right wing agenda but includes liberal views to appear balanced. If you want a channel that actually does strive for fair and balanced, go to CNN. Or if you want a better truth, as do I, watch all three and the internet as well ... then you can pick and choose what to believe. But it was kind of a trick question ... if you don't see the channels as i see them, then it proves to me that you yourself are looking at the news from a right wing adgenda. I mean come on ... if i look at something and it looks deep blue and you see pink, than who's perceptions am i going to go with.
To me both channels are pretty much symmetrically complementary. MSNBC has a left wing addenda but includes conservitive views to appear balanced. Fox has a right wing agenda but includes liberal views to appear balanced. If you want a channel that actually does strive for fair and balanced, go to CNN. Or if you want a better truth, as do I, watch all three and the internet as well ... then you can pick and choose what to believe. But it was kind of a trick question ... if you don't see the channels as i see them, then it proves to me that you yourself are looking at the news from a right wing adgenda. I mean come on ... if i look at something and it looks deep blue and you see pink, than who's perceptions am i going to go with.
Seth says
M 2008-10-26 11:59:55 10689
Those who have an agenda tend to see everyone else with an agenda. I use all resources at my disposal. The term that Drudge uses a lot is CBSABCNBCMSNBCCNN just because they all seem to have the same coverage; lazy journalism with newsfronts driven by input from the left's talking points mailed to them each day. Why else would they repeat each insult of the woofing contest between the candidates except to gin up a fight & perhaps get some of those M$M$$. There's no truth or news in the woofing contest. FoxNews is part of M$M & it is balance for CNN (Formerly the Clinton News Network).
LOL, in a way you have proved my point that you do look at the news through right wing glasses. Drudge is notoriously right wing, although they do include most important stories. I prefer memorandum, primarily because i can't yet figure out which side they are on. For immediate results, before they hit the other sites and certainly before they hit broadcast news i go to reddit; and eventhough demographically the usebase is liberal i tend to read as many right wing articles as i do left wing ones. My own eyes are tinted blue for the democrats. I unashamidly admit it.
Mark de LA says
So many presumptions - so little truth! Please cite the examples of anti-African & anti-Muslim & anti-liberal from his own mouth. He's not even anti-Obama & hence he might lose. Go to his campaign sites for his plans. The most I can say is he wouldn't decimate the military to pay for social experiments & wealth redistribution. I'm not in McCain's fan club. His congressional & military experience gives me a clue that he might negotiate from a position of strength rather than try to bullshit his way negotiations from a meet anytime , anywhere hippie-dippie togetherness feeling perspective. Obama is Ethos-Pathos while McCain is more Ethos-Logos in philosophy. McCain may have a large ego, but he doesn't have a messiah (save the World) complex.
Mark de LA says
Jennifer 2008-10-26 01:07:03 10689
You watch this http://www.lasvegassun.com/videos/2008/oct/22/983/
Hi Jennifer, this would have been more effective had you made it a link & put some of your own spin on it to give us a clue as to why you wanted us to watch it.
source: ... A group of 10-20 Obama backers gathered in front of Henderson Pavilion's gates during Gov. Sarah Palin's speech. As McCain/Palin supporters exited the rally, many became enraged at the sight of the protest. Photo by Leila Navidi.
... If you put a lense on any group of very passionate supporters (inside or outside the beltway) on either side you are likely to find that it's not that pretty. Welcome to world of politics.
Mark de LA says
Here is an interesting discussion through the lense of the Hollywood Reporter on the subject of MSNBC
source: ... The cable news channel is "completely out of control," said writer-producer Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, a self-proclaimed liberal Democrat.
She added that she would prefer a lunch date with right-leaning Fox News star Sean Hannity over left-leaning MSNBC star Keith Olbermann.
She added that she would prefer a lunch date with right-leaning Fox News star Sean Hannity over left-leaning MSNBC star Keith Olbermann.
...
Mark de LA says
M 2008-10-28 10:42:07 10738
I wish you would return shit like this to the other 10689 & not pollute the discussion on economics . If you can't tell the difference then I will move it myself to the bit bucket.
This comment was missplaced by an incurable RWG knee-jerk!
M 2008-10-28 10:42:07 10738
I tend to agree the questions are all about the other folk. For my business now i rely less on credit to get me past the big season and as a result gross is down for the third straight year, but profits are up ... even perhaps this year but am not sure yet. Denise is thinking that after the election if Obama wins things will pick up ... i'm not so sure ... but i will hate to experience the global disappointment that will happen if we get another 4 more years of a McCain/Bush/Palin administration. I seriously doubt that will be good for business, except perhaps if you are already rich. The only plus might be a total gridlock in Washington where McCain/Palin vetoes every bill comming from Congress and none of his own adgenda will get passed by the democratic congress ... which means that absolutely nothing will change at all. Now there is change you can get sick of.
I wish you would return shit like this to the other 10689 & not pollute the discussion on economics . If you can't tell the difference then I will move it myself to the bit bucket.
[ with a brief stop here]
Mark de LA says
<== the picture when Obama's practiced smile slipped.
seth 2008-10-28 08:27:10 10689
source: M above
... If you put a lense on any group of very passionate supporters (inside or outside the beltway) on either side you are likely to find that it's not that pretty. Welcome to world of politics.
... If you put a lense on any group of very passionate supporters (inside or outside the beltway) on either side you are likely to find that it's not that pretty. Welcome to world of politics.
From the videos i'v seen on youtube the McCain/Palin campaign is really bringing out the nut cases. Here is another one. Mr Country First McCain is not doing our country any good by giving the racists and liberal haters an object to smear their hate upon. There must be a more honerable way to win an election.
Yep, ugliness for your side has only been captured for Joe "Hairplugs" Biden & Howard Dean, Maxine Waters & James Carville. And things like this!
<== the picture when Obama's practiced smile slipped.
Mark de LA says
It is beginning to look like Obama is opting for managed news, rather than truth or fair & balanced. Yep, a lot of CHAnge there!
Mark de LA says
Apparently it's not a two-way street:
2 arrested for hanging Obama effigy on Ky. campus...
they should do the same for the twits in Hollywood.
they should do the same for the twits in Hollywood.
Mark de LA says
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