An historic non-black for the presidency like Obama

What if ?
I get around 714 with this title as that is how Obama's campaign bills his potential presidency - by deeds & words & it's pertinent.
Did you ever wonder if anybody else who had BHO's qualifications could make it to the presidency? Now, it may be legal for anyone who is a natural born citizen of the US and is at least 35 years old to make it!  OTOH, we may just want a little more than that. The history of the first 43 seem to have more than that. Perhaps Abraham Lincoln was one of the few who have about the same experience as Obama, but at least debated in public instead of sound-biting on TV.
source: ...

The format for each debate was: one candidate spoke for 60 minutes, then the other candidate spoke for 90 minutes, and then the first candidate was allowed a 30-minute "rejoinder." The candidates alternated speaking first. As the incumbent, Douglas spoke first in four of the debates.


...I wonder what would have happened if McCain & Obama had debated this way?
...I wonder if Lincoln had had the various connections that Obama has relative to the goings on of the Civil War would he ever have been elected?
...I wonder if Lincoln had had the relationship described here with Great Britain would he have ever been elected?
...I wonder if Lincoln had had a history of organizing this way would he have ever survived the partisanship of his days & become president .. there was a war coming.
...I wonder if Lincoln's papers of the time presented their concerns about what his programs really were would he have survived such scandals to become president?
...I wonder if Lincoln could have bought the presidency like Obama is doing with half-hour infomercials and near 2/3 $$billion in collections from various and sundry sources some untraceable.
...It is interesting that all the newspapers of the time were NOT in the tank for Lincoln.
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Comments


Seth says
Well, to say the obvious, if he were white he wouldn't have his historic blackness working for him; but then too he wouldn't have all those racists working against him.  Which is the stronger, we will find out on Tuesday.

source: M above
..I wonder if Lincoln had had a history of organizing this way would he have ever survived the partisanship of his days & become president .. there was a war coming.
.... leading to:
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
... which is from a book by Saul Alinsky which Obama probably read. 

Obama has no history of organizing that way.  You bolded statement above is false. You have become a conspiracy cook.  Why even talk about the scientific method and a pursuit of truth with you anymore.  It's useless.  I give up. 

Seth says
Actually Obama will probably be a "conventional president" and will disappoint the left - you heard it here first.  We will probably build some infrastructure like FDR did to get us out of the great depression.  That is something we desperately need to stay competitive with the rest of the worlk in the 21th century.  Chill out, somebody has gotten you all worked up by appealing to your deep seated fears. And please give our next president the respect he deserves ... marginalizing him with the initials "BHO" is the agenda of the fringe kooky right wing conspiracy groups who are in league with racist skin heads.  Did you know that?  Or, hopefully, are you  just  playing the devil's advocate here?   Tell me, Mark The Magician, is this the real you? 

Mark de LA says
M 2008-10-31 12:34:32 10757
If Obama wins I will give him as much respect as you folks gave W. The rest is your racism fears.
My belief is that were not BHO part non-white he would have never made it on his credentials & experience!


Mark de LA says
M 2008-10-31 12:36:49 10757
BHO is smiliar to WFB, FDR, JFK & GWB or GHWB. Live with it!
I prefer BHO because O is Oprah & BO sounds like it needs a deoderant.

Seth says
M 2008-10-31 13:29:03 10757
seth 2008-10-31 13:18:36 10757
M 2008-10-31 12:35:48 10757
M 2008-10-31 12:34:32 10757
If Obama wins I will give him as much respect as you folks gave W. The rest is your racism fears.
My belief is that were not BHO part non-white he would have never made it on his credentials & experience!

Probably not.  Change some major feature or anyone's history and they do not end up with the same tensions in their life ... they are not the same person.  If your old man had not been into occultism, would you be the same person?  A person is who they are by virtue of their history, you don't change that history and have the same person. I don't see how this train of though has any value  whatsoever.  But what this is, taken at face value, is an argument to give a person an excuse not to vote for Obama because his accomplishments can be partially attributed to his race.  Me calls that racism according to 714.
His accomplishments (?) or his race are not what make him what he is. It's the media hype on his race & the potential for making history that are not only racist but probably the leading feature for his apparent lead. My premise still stands. If you were magically to wave a wand & turn him monochrome & the same as the rest of the presidents retroactively he would not make it to the end based solly on his history, associations & platform. BTW, have you noticed that nobody knows what the Democrat or Republican platforms are - if anything
The guiding principles of both parties apparently don't matter.
I would still vote for him.  Most of what he says makes total sense.  Listen to him on the Rachel Maddow show last night.

The only think i remember from the democratic platform was the new change on pro-choice stating that the objective was to reduce abortions - not increase them.  Sounds like a good idea to me.

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-10-31 13:18:36 10757
M 2008-10-31 12:35:48 10757
M 2008-10-31 12:34:32 10757
If Obama wins I will give him as much respect as you folks gave W. The rest is your racism fears.
My belief is that were not BHO part non-white he would have never made it on his credentials & experience!

Probably not.  Change some major feature or anyone's history and they do not end up with the same tensions in their life ... they are not the same person.  If your old man had not been into occultism, would you be the same person?  A person is who they are by virtue of their history, you don't change that history and have the same person. I don't see how this train of though has any value  whatsoever.  But what this is, taken at face value, is an argument to give a person an excuse not to vote for Obama because his accomplishments can be partially attributed to his race.  Me calls that racism according to 714.
His accomplishments (?) or his race are not what make him what he is. It's the media hype on his race & the potential for making history that are not only racist but probably the leading feature for his apparent lead. My premise still stands. If you were magically to wave a wand & turn him monochrome & the same as the rest of the presidents retroactively he would not make it to the end based solly on his history, associations & platform. BTW, have you noticed that nobody knows what the Democrat or Republican platforms are - if anything
The guiding principles of both parties apparently don't matter.

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-10-31 11:17:00 10757
Actually Obama will probably be a "conventional president" and will disappoint the left - you heard it here first.  -snip-
I thought your side was electing him to be the savior of the country if not the world.  At last someone admits that he is not the messiah & not going to do anything in the way of real change. Rahm Emanuel is not change.

Mark de LA says
The funny thing is that if liberals actually ran as liberals instead of pretending they are in the middle they would never get elected.  America is not liberal. Now in a crisis you may convince the electorate to expect liberal things, but that is what 10752 is all about.


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