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About: obama: spike energy costs to make people go green


source: ...

"Is that the function of government " to fix prices as a punitive measure to change consumer behavior?" asked the Hot Air Blog. "It will be in an Obama administration. He and a few elites will decide which consumer behaviors are bad and penalize it with price signals."

New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, however, commented in a May editorial on the issue of government-created price signals, arguing that a federal gasoline tax would be just the kind of energy "price signal" that would finally persuade Americans to give up their SUVs.

...It's not enough for Obama to raise taxes he also wants to raise prices. He really must want to destroy the economy & start a depression where there is none yet! All for a global boondoggle.
It sounds a little like Seth's insanity to pour concrete in oil wells to force people to get off their oil addiction. At the height of the oil prices in the summer.

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Comments


Mark de LA says
& Yet - MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific data
source: ... One thing does seem very clear, however; science is only beginning to get a handle on the big picture of global warming. Findings like these tell us it's too early to know for sure if man's impact is affecting things at the political cry of "alarming rates." We may simply be going through another natural cycle of warmer and colder times - one that's been observed through a scientific analysis of the Earth to be naturally occurring for hundreds of thousands of years.

...
source: ... Boston (MA) - Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature - and not the direct result of man's contributions.

...& YET Obama would ruin the economy anyway....

 

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-11-02 10:22:12 10776
M 2008-11-02 07:30:36 10776
My bad, Seth's absurdity was [item 4222] much earlier than last summer's oil price crest near $147/bbl now down to $67/bbl.
I suspect, without investigation, that Obama made a bad choice of words here without adequate explanation.  However if you put a carbon tax or a cap and trade scheme, which both candidates have supported, then it will have the effect of temporarily raising the price of gas.  Yes i would support that.  You can already see talk of alternatives becomming less competitive than they were back when olil was $147/gal.  Go ahead, get as much milage out of the restrainsts on engineering ourselves out of a calamity as you want ... it doesn't change the challenge.
Too bad you folks on the crisis side of life have to fuck up the world's economies on a boondoggle.  We're having one of the coldest beginnings to winter in many years. Too bad you are not in an area to experience it.

Mark de LA says
Obama Called Out for Comments about Bankrupting Coal Industry - "If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted," Barack Obama said to the San Francisco Chronicle in January.
It is amazing that his comments have to be reinterpreted just about every time he opens his mouth these days.
YouTube excerpt of his words.
It is fascinating that COAL is one of those things that we have in abundance in the US and are not dependent upon the Middle East. 
Cap & Trade is a boondoggle & just another way of taxing that's why Obama is for it.
 

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-11-03 08:50:15 10776
seth 2008-11-02 21:54:10 10776
source: M quoting Obama out of context above
"If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for ,"
Yes it's true.  That's the way cap and trade works.  McCain is for it too.  Point is to build a coal power plant that does not emit all that greenhouse gas.  Palin shold learn a bit about the energy policy that she is supposed to be an expert on.
You really should listen to Obama's whole message about coal here.    Regardless of whether you believe in cap & trade, you should know that Obama's message was not that he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry.  That is a total distortion of what he said.  Do you really want another administration in power who are going to be twisting the facts like this?  Can we not insist on honesty from our politicians? 
Did or did not those words come out of Obama's mouth?

Mark de LA says
seth 2008-11-02 21:54:10 10776
source: M quoting Obama out of context above
"If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for ,"
Yes it's true.  That's the way cap and trade works.  McCain is for it too.  Point is to build a coal power plant that does not emit all that greenhouse gas.  Palin shold learn a bit about the energy policy that she is supposed to be an expert on.
cap & trade = tax & spend for all you brainwashed people. I wonder how much they are going to tax you for your breathing out CO2 !

Mark de LA says
M 2008-11-02 22:15:25 10776
seth 2008-11-02 21:54:10 10776
source: M quoting Obama out of context above
"If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for ,"
Yes it's true.  That's the way cap and trade works.  McCain is for it too.  Point is to build a coal power plant that does not emit all that greenhouse gas.  Palin shold learn a bit about the energy policy that she is supposed to be an expert on.
cap & trade = tax & spend for all you brainwashed people. I wonder how much they are going to tax you for your breathing out CO2 !
The wierd thing is that energy companies that deal with coal to produce your energy will just raise their prices & you will pay those prices because so far the alternatives just can't produce what powers your house & internet access. Enjoy your higher electric & gas bills!


Mark de LA says
NOAA: U.S. breaks or ties 115 cold and sets 63 new snowfall records - Of course many of you that live in this weather already know this, but there is an early start to winter this year, not only in the USA, but also in London, where it snowed in October for the first time in over 70 years.

So far, no mention of this broadly distributed U.S. record event in the mainstream media. There are a few individual mentions or record lows in Florida. (Watts Up With That?)
Courtesy of Junk Science Online.

Mark de LA says
M 2008-11-03 05:35:29 10776
Global Cooling is Here!  Evidence for Predicting Global Cooling for the Next Three Decades  - Maybe Obama will bring change by ushering in a Little Ice Age .

But then again it might be shown that the Cosmic forces of the Sun & Moon & Earth are far bigger than mankind can alter & perhaps bigger than one single man like Obama's big Ego (or McCain's) can change!


Seth says
seth 2008-11-02 21:54:10 10776
source: M quoting Obama out of context above
"If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for ,"
Yes it's true.  That's the way cap and trade works.  McCain is for it too.  Point is to build a coal power plant that does not emit all that greenhouse gas.  Palin shold learn a bit about the energy policy that she is supposed to be an expert on.
You really should listen to Obama's whole message about coal here.    Regardless of whether you believe in cap & trade, you should know that Obama's message was not that he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry.  That is a total distortion of what he said.  Do you really want another administration in power who are going to be twisting the facts like this?  Can we not insist on honesty from our politicians? 

Seth says
M 2008-11-03 09:03:44 10776
seth 2008-11-03 08:50:15 10776
seth 2008-11-02 21:54:10 10776
source: M quoting Obama out of context above
"If somebody wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum for ,"
Yes it's true.  That's the way cap and trade works.  McCain is for it too.  Point is to build a coal power plant that does not emit all that greenhouse gas.  Palin shold learn a bit about the energy policy that she is supposed to be an expert on.
You really should listen to Obama's whole message about coal here.    Regardless of whether you believe in cap & trade, you should know that Obama's message was not that he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry.  That is a total distortion of what he said.  Do you really want another administration in power who are going to be twisting the facts like this?  Can we not insist on honesty from our politicians? 
Did or did not those words come out of Obama's mouth?
Listen to all of the words out of his mouth.  Do you think it is allowable for politicians to take words out of context?

Mark de LA says
I for one would like the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth. Unfortunately, politicians can't stand up to that kind of scrutiny. Someone apparently needs to explain & re-explain what Obama means. (after finding out that what he said is unpopular & may hurt him in coal-rich Pennsylvania).
Remember, on the subject of coal, that Clinton put the largest reserves of coal in the country Utah & Colorado off limits by fiat. Did any of the M$M investigate hard his connections to Riady & his coal operations in Indonesia? Is Clinton getting coal industry concessions from Obama so that his friend Riady keeps what he wants?
Again what is the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth? There are lots of Obama's connections which are questionable & yet the whole truth is not present anywhere in the media. What is the truth, whole truth & nothing but the truth about Obama's birth certificate?


Mark de LA says
Snapshot of the algore doomsday crisis clock - a little over 7 years left. See 10752 for inspiration & a hit of soberness as to what's being done to you folks.


Mark de LA says
Some other questions I would like to hear the truth , the whole truth & nothing but the truth out of Obama's mouth about are to be found here.  A question is still just a question - it's the answers that are of partisan concern. I'm pretty sure that Obama will never answer these without spin & lots of it.


Mark de LA says
seth 2008-11-04 08:46:05 10776
M 2008-11-03 22:53:48 10776
Some other questions I would like to hear the truth , the whole truth & nothing but the truth out of Obama's mouth about are to be found here.  A question is still just a question - it's the answers that are of partisan concern. I'm pretty sure that Obama will never answer these without spin & lots of it.

Yep, and the question "Have you stopped beating your grandmother" is still just a question. Just being a question, doesn't make it a valid question to answer, nor does it make it a valid pursuit of the truth.  I guess you don't acknowledge that this technique of continuing to ask loaded questions is an old time political trick.  Oh well !!!   Btw, could you ever get it together to move to California?
     Unfortunately for Obama these questions are not of the "Have you quit beating your grandmother?" type.  All Obama has to do is explain how the question is loaded (if at all) & then answer what he thinks is the real question needing an answer. He needs to show/explain how a question has a bad premise, if any. Bullshit from his campaign, which always has plausible deniability is unacceptable including the birth certificate thingy.
     Your misplaced question about my move is not for this item.  I will answer it in the family group with more details later. FYI, the house has been on the market since 9/11 of this year & has had lots of viewings but no reasonable offers.


Mark de LA says
-snip-
Well apparently questions say as much about the intent of the questioner as they do the questionee.  What do you think is the intent of worldnetdaily.com ?
How long is it going to take you to get that this node is not about personal innuendo about me? I don't think the above of Seth's is true even.
WND has uncovered a lot of questionable associations of Obama with unsavory characters. Here is their lastest.
source: ... Report: Obama backs Palestinian capital in Jerusalem
Leaders claim presidential candidate asked them to keep his remarks secret

...& Obama pretends to be friends of Israel! So they do not like your candidate, eh?


Mark de LA says
The discussion of my house is NOT for this node which is about the prospect of Obama ruining our country by raising taxes for a giant boondoggle.

Mark de LA says
Not enough crumb-crunchers brainwashed for the global warming crowd - need more who believe this shit from kindergarden onward:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/16/scientists-want-climate-change-young-minds/


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