A Clue for YOU! - become disinterested in RACE

About: racism

Here's a strange, off-beat thought for you people - teach yourselves to become disinterested in race instead of focusing on it. And while you are at it teach yourselves to become disinterested in whether a person is gay or not & not focus on that either! In general, become disinterested in what separates us from one another & focus more on what is common.  Then you won't have to worry about who's in your tent or in your party, eh?  Then you can focus on: what is human being!?

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  2. racism
  3. gay
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Comments


Seth says
good idea.

Mark de LA says
Hmmm... liberals have been calling people racists for a long time & made it a politically correct mantra.  It is interesting how things change when the tables are turned. It comes up vis-a-vis Sotomayor because she emphasizes it. Likewise in other situations. Politically it is part of the Democrat way because Democrats are just a mixture of demographics & groups based on identity politics; rarely having an ideal or overarching principle to drive them.
   When you emphasize diversity meme as if it is something to be worshipped you invite a response in the nature of 714.  I wrote this particular 10838 just after the election, probably hoping that some changes were about to happen. Apparently you missed it's most obvious intent. Ethnicity is being emphasized in this SCOTUS appointment.
    Remember I was holding off on commenting on her appointment until the confirmation hearings & you made remarks which stimulated the current rift. The RWG-juice keeps the argument going - it's not preaching! Give up & accept 714 as an ideal, as you first did, (don't violate it) & we won't have to mention it again.

Mark de LA says
    In NLP Terms, IMHO,  our differences are primarily a metaprogram variously labeled as "chunking up or chunking down" - the preference for overview or detail(or generalization v. specificity).  I prefer to know the principle before I look at the detail. I think Seth is wired in the other way. Once given the idea, concept or principle I prefer to implement my own way as a manager, contractor or programmer. In my previous experience working with Seth he prefers to start working on a project & see what develops. Some say these are hard-wired other say not. Some say there is a bridge between the two.  Another metaprogram is matching versus miss-matching or sameness vs difference. In a complex situation one can look for all that is similar in category & handle the differences from that as exceptions. Some work the other way & start looking at the exceptions first.
     I suspect that these are the things that are get in the way between Seth & Mark on most of the issues we talk about. That & the RWG probably generates more apparent hostility than is actually there between brothers.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-07 10:05:46 10838
source: MR above
Give up & accept 714 as an ideal, as you first did, (don't violate it) & we won't have to mention it again.
Maybe if you acknowledge what i am saying instead of ignoring it, we can leave this behind us.  I have already acknowledged that i have no problems with the ideal of 714 and hope that in the distant future it will come to pass.  But it is how you practice 714 in the here and now that is contra productive.  It is not useful to take an ideal of the future and apply it the now,  when it is has the opposite effect than the intended. 

The ironic part of this is that the effect of  Obama's presidency is actually causing changes in American life in the direction of 714.  This morning Denise remarked that she noticed that black gangs and their thuggery is lessening in the media.  People are turning away from bigotry. Black children have an excellant role model.  Another thing that dawned on me in my soul searching is that it was not Obama's blackness that initially attracted me to him,  rather it was his universality.  I think i told you that my first contact with him was hearing his keynote speech at the democratic convention ... but i heard it on the radio and didn't know he was black.  Is it things like this that are to be rediculed by you and Rush based on the blindness to race perscribed by 714?  
     Apparently you don't have 714 down yet.  Keep mentioning Rush it just generates RWG pulling on my fingers to beget more couplets.  I recently mentioned that I do not speak for Rush nor does he speak for me. Yours on him is hearsay.  It is indeed ironic as well that Obama or the M$M chooses black as his color, why not white if he is equally so? I object to Obama's policies independent of his race since I believe in 714.  When he does a racial thing like appoint Sotomayor to SCOTUS & she is a major believer in her ethnicity as a valuable part of her judging then I will bring 714 up.
     You will have to justify what you said:
Seth(above): ... It is not useful to take an ideal of the future and apply it the now,  when it is has the opposite effect than the intended. 

... because it doesn't make sense to me & seems to be false.  Most people evolve with a target idea in mind or set goals for something they want which is in the future.
 


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-07 10:41:01 10838
source: MR above
You will have to justify what you said:
Seth(above): ... It is not useful to take an ideal of the future and apply it the now,  when it is has the opposite effect than the intended. 

... because it doesn't make sense to me & seems to be false.  Most people evolve with a target idea in mind or set goals for something they want which is in the future.

Well a perfect example is your criticism above: "It is indeed ironic as well that Obama or the M$M chooses black as his color, why not white if he is equally so?".   In the distant future when the races all become melded together ... what you say there would be true.  But saying that today is to deny a well deserved special place of honor to this man.  It is to deny those who still today feel the pangs of discrimination, the relief they so rightly deserve.  But perhaps you can't see that.  What is blinding you to what the rest of us see?
In a distant future when the races all become melded together racism would be moot. You argument is simply argument for effect; rational, perhaps, but garbage in = garbage out! It needs more work. Relief comes about with 714 ; reverse discrimination notwithstanding.


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-07 10:53:19 10838
source: MR above
You argument is simply argument for effect
Meaning what?  We do thing in the world for the effect they have.  If doing something has the opposite effect than you intend, then you have chosen to do the wrong thing. 
I suppose I should have said you argue for argument's sake or just to argue. I could give references from our childhood, but you can remember them easily enough yourself.


Mark de LA says
seth 2013-07-12 08:49:30 10838
in any case, loosing interest in race etc, is a good idea .

that might even be extended to loosing interest in other people's interest in race ... for example, me, i'm not even all that very interested in this item.  why is it coming back up now? 
Check out the Zimmerman trial in which the prosecutor is trying to blame George for racial profiling. When, in fact, the 911/police operator brought it up first.
The larger context is that identity politics is alive & festering - immigration, gay marriage etc. is the meat of (mostly democrat party) politics.  What would the president do if he couldn't buy some votes from the Congressional Black caucus he met with recently.
IMHO, the only legitimate use of racial distinctions is to help identify an alleged criminal who is on the loose that you have issued an All Points Bulletin (APB) for.  After capture the race component should be removed from newspapers & media .  (fat chance, eh?)


Mark de LA says

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Seth says

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