The Daschle Standard

About: driving tom daschle - wsj.com

The M$M seems to be publishing a lot about yet another Obama cabinet post to be occupied by a reformed tax dodger.  With Daschle we get a twofer. His wife is also a lobbyist. Now just what was that that BHO said about banning lobbyists in his administration?  BHO should know about lobbyists since he can relate to them.

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Mark de LA says


Mark de LA says
, How many tax evaders does it take to make a pattern? What happened to BHO's famous transition team's vetting?


Mark de LA says
... bread & circuses:

we certainly got the circus. Performance czar withdraws as well!

Seth says
M 2009-02-03 10:51:03 11388
seth 2009-02-03 10:37:41 11388
Makes me wonder if compliance with our convoluted tax system in the greater population is about like it is in for Congress.  I mean who knew that if you loan your car to someone they need to declare it as income?
Yep, it's so convoluted that the secretary of the treasury couldn't even figure it out with the assistance of Turbo Tax and memos from the IMF telling him what to do. I'm for tax simplification such that there is a flat tax for everyone. The reason it's so convoluted is that Congress arranges tax policy to reward their constituents & lobbyists.
Well a graduate flat tax with no loopholes would certainly go a long way to simplify.  Allow every business to deduct all of their expenses and investments in research and equipment immediately if they wish, but if they don't have revenue to deduct it against they loose the deduction.  

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-03 10:37:41 11388
Makes me wonder if compliance with our convoluted tax system in the greater population is about like it is in for Congress.  I mean who knew that if you loan your car to someone they need to declare it as income?
Yep, it's so convoluted that the secretary of the treasury couldn't even figure it out with the assistance of Turbo Tax and memos from the IMF telling him what to do. I'm for tax simplification such that there is a flat tax for everyone. The reason it's so convoluted is that Congress arranges tax policy to reward their constituents & lobbyists.

Mark de LA says
Well a graduate flat tax is an oxymoron. Sooner or later the politicians start putting exemptions & shit in the tax bills & you get what we have now.  In fact Congress has no power (or function) unless they can favor one group over another to garner campaign contributions and get reelected. It is precisely pandering to class envy & "tax the rich" calls that has made the tax code so complicated.  Simply said:
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Everyone should pay some tax!
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That way you avoid the bread & circuses problem.  Everyone must be vested in the conduct of government rather than what we have today. Take the budget & divide it by the number of wage earners & for the particular quarter of the fiscal year compute a percent to pay for the budget & have those who have an income pay that % of it. You could lop off the lowest & poorest with the stipulation that the % of the population they represent be no greater than 15-25%.
 otherwise see Steve Forbes Kinder, Gentler Flat Tax Plan.

Seth says
Well to equalize the burden fairly you cannot take the same percentage from someone earning $40,000/year as you take from a person earning $40,000,000.  The tax rate must be graduated - check arguments here.   The "flat" descriptor refers to the deductions and loop holes.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-03 14:09:02 11388
Well to equalize the burden fairly you cannot take the same percentage from someone earning $40,000/year as you take from a person earning $40,000,000.  The tax rate must be graduated - check arguments here.   The "flat" descriptor refers to the deductions and loop holes.
There is nothing in our Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence which says "to each according to their need from each according to their ability to pay" .  I think it's in the Communist Manifesto though.  The class warfare pushed by the current political class pushes such.  The burden of the cost of government, for those who can afford to pay, should determine what is to be done - not just warm bodies with an ever increasing desire for more government. Make government independent of the economy & the rights (law) administration & you will begin to see a much more benign government less willing to conduct wars & rob the people. You would then begin to see politicians of a different flavor (citizen politicians who have day jobs) & the old ones joining the unemployment lines.
 

Seth says
source: M above
The burden of the cost of government, for those who can afford to pay, should determine what is to be done - not just warm bodies with an ever increasing desire for more government. Make government independent of the economy & the rights (law) administration [... some predicate]
I have no idea what you think that means.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-03 16:24:50 11388
source: M above
The burden of the cost of government, for those who can afford to pay, should determine what is to be done - not just warm bodies with an ever increasing desire for more government. Make government independent of the economy & the rights (law) administration [... some predicate]
I have no idea what you think that means.
     I should probably ask you what you think it means. But, to expedite I will give you somewhat of a sentence by sentence re-interpretation.
     The government costs us money.  The government doesn't produce anything it is all debt for the taxpayers.  That burden is born by those who have money & can pay. The rest who don't have any money & are not producing anything are supported by those who do. Those who do have the money should be the ones who determine what the government spends it's money on not those who don't do anything to support the debt of the government.  Unfortunately, the warm body democracy (see my favorite Heinlien quote) includes both those who support the government with their taxes & those who don't! Moreover, currently the voters who don't support the government want more and more government.  Our government is going broke at an increasingly faster & faster pace. In fact, we have the biggest debt in history. Sooner or later nobody in the world will be there to bail US out.  Somehow, IMHO, we should have government independent of the economy. You probably can't imagine that, yet.  The other thing is that the government should be independent from the legal, justice, human rights domain. (PS. the human physical body has independent systems that cooperate with each other to work as a whole. The blood system, nerves, muscles & skeleton & others all work together but are somewhat independent.) The founders barely wanted any kind of government except they had to survive in the face of a war from the British Empire.  
      Perhaps we will fail at such a massive level that we will be forced to reinvent government & the economies more along the ideas of group threefold society - maybe we'll just fail massively.  Pardon my pessimism at this point.  As we move more in the direction of the threefold society we will begin to see that we are the government. We will be more benign. Citizens will devolve & support a government of politicians who don't have being a politician as their primary job. The current crop of politicians will resist this at all cost! They get their jollies out of telling others what to do & spending your & my money on projects to keep their jobs. As I think of it now, things that grow so large, both governments & corporations, become divorced of reality & take on an existence of their own. We have this problem in the extreme right now. A solution is something like community organizing but in totally different way from what BHO is used to & thinks about.  More about the solution & my concept of community organizing in group threefold society.

Mark de LA says
Panetta earned $700,000 in speaking fees- some from troubled banks.  He's going to be B. Hussein Obama's CIA director. Try another shot with Panetta's name on it.