HyPie anyone

About: 1-2-3 Pie Charts Java

Would like to do a nested pie chart application  by various properties of the latest so-called stimulus package to show what is really there & what, if any is just unspecified illusion.
See read the stimulus plan here.

Tags

  1. hypie
  2. recovery.org
  3. stimuluswatch.org

Comments


Seth says
good idea.  Looks like they did the top level of it for you already at recovery.gov here.  You, of course, may want to verify the accuracy against the actual signed bill here.  Hopefully there will be lots of people doing this.  Another verification that needs to be done it to verity your pie chart against monies actually spent by the states.  Aaron discovered that the various agencies will be supplying the facts on RSS feeds ... see his post here.  Doesn't Google provide a free charting tool?

Mark de LA says
     What is fascinating is the immediate obfuscation on the top level by confusing tax relief with spending on the same diagram.  $123B s/b added back into the other bubbles leaving only $165B in tax relief or tax relief should be a balance on a 2 item pie chart of expenditures vs tax relief.  Note, boys & girls, lowering taxes is not the same thing as spending taxes!  The other item left out at the top level is the amount of interest it will take to pay back all that spending.  Note, boys & girls, that you do have to pay back your credit cards with interest someday or go bankrupt!  Even the US Government borrows from other countries (like China). Note how HRC put China's human rights violations on the back burner to get China to buy more of our debts.
     This is the kind of confusion which we will find deep throughout the whole 1000+ page bill.
     I wonder if it were possible to get 200 people to thoroughly read just 5 pages of this mess & summarize the results for charting purposes. 
Prolly not!
Income vs expense & liability vs assets are standard notions in accounting.  Somebody in the government should go back to the basics.

Mark de LA says
Here is another view of the slush fund. Another fun part is trying to follow the money when it is buried underneath changes to other appropriations bills & legislation.


Seth says
source: M above
What is fascinating is the immediate obfuscation on the top level by confusing tax relief with spending on the same diagram.  $123B s/b added back into the other bubbles leaving only $165B in tax relief or tax relief should be a balance on a 2 item pie chart of expenditures vs tax relief.
Sorry i can't figure out your point here or where you got the $123B or the $165B.  Tax relief and spending are alternate ways of stimulating - why would you subtract one from the other.  To understand and track the plan you need to show both spending and tax cuts separately as has been done.

Mark de LA says
If you add up the numbers in the give backs to the spending items in the notes you get $123B.  Real tax cuts are not spending. Real tax cuts reduces the government's potential income but does not reduce what the government has already taken.  Tax cuts & spending are 2 different things except to liberals.  Liberals think all the money is theirs & so begrudge tax cuts as if they were spending. They have played a game with the baloon of tax cuts. They should have added the amounts mentioned into the spending items & reduced the tax cuts by that amount or they should have left it alone. They are mixing apples & oranges, credits & debits.

Mark de LA says
And now we learn that apparently only the taxpayers are in charge- more reason for tea parties.The accountability was supposed to be left with these people as shown on recovery.gov but apparently they don't all show up for meetings.  The article seems to be talking about a different set of people even though the website calls them the Recovery Accountability & Transparency Board & it's members seem to be department heads & various attorneys general.
I still want to see the expenses as a HiPie of the whole allocation starting with a 2 piece pie of spent & not spent & going on with the major pieces.

Seth says
MR 2009-05-06 09:52:36 11507
And now we learn that apparently only the taxpayers are in charge- more reason for tea parties.The accountability was supposed to be left with these people as shown on recovery.gov but apparently they don't all show up for meetings.  The article seems to be talking about a different set of people even though the website calls them the Recovery Accountability & Transparency Board & it's members seem to be department heads & various attorneys general.
I still want to see the expenses as a HiPie of the whole allocation starting with a 2 piece pie of spent & not spent & going on with the major pieces.
Well its a good idea for the American people to track the stimulus and how the money is actually being spent themselves and not rely on the government to do so.  The website for that is stimuluswatch.org. I've been keeping an eye on Renton, WA and have already posted my concern on one of the projects

Mark de LA says
Well, this article says maybe by October or maybe not - possibly next spring the data will be available.
The article states that info on govt contracts related to stimulus might be on this government website: https://www.fpds.gov/ or http://www.fpds-ng.com/ or at one of the 29 federal departments or the 50 states websites.

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