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Bread & Circuses

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"If ye love wealth better than liberty,the tranquility of servitudebetter than the animating contest of freedom,go home from us in peace.We ask not your counsels or your arms.Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.May your chains set lightly upon you,and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." 
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I wonder what that heading quote from Hooligans website means? Is it Obama's message to the rich to pay the taxes for all of his spending bubble & that of his Democrat Congress? Or does it point to the slavery of taxpayers to the government & the state?
  
How big a spending bill is so large that it becomes a virtual blank check for government because nobody can follow the money? 3.6 Trillion $$$ , perhaps? Some headlines today say that trillion is the new billion(which was the new million a little bit ago) as far as government numbers go.
     

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  4. trillions
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Seth says
Err ... what it means?  You must mean what it means to the Hooligans website?  In which case who cares ... i have no common purpose with that website.  As far as i can see the only connection between Samuel Adams's saying and Obama is in your head.  Btw, it will not be just the rich who will be paying for Obama's spending ... it will be all of us.  Hopefully good times in the future, and good fiscal responsibility (something that Obama has promised) will help us burn right through that debt.  A business that does not invest in it's future will not long stay in business.  Can not the same be said of a nation?

Mark de LA says
     Well, for the starry eyed Obama-juice drinkers  it might mean nothing as S has shown. 
     Given the tone, I am assuming the Samuel Adams quoted is one of the founding patriots of this country as mentioned in the Wikipedia & the one who signed the Declaration of Independence. He might have stirred up the Boston Tea Party as well. He was probably decrying the taxation of the colonies by King George which, in view of today's taxation, was a mere pittance. He probably was goading the aristocracy who derived their comfort & status from the crown.
     I didn't read much of the Hooligan website to figure what it's political stand was, if any.
     It is a wonderful quote, like the one from Heinlein on bread & circuses. It applies today as well as during the founding of the country.  The difference is the switch from the government of King George to that of King Obama in the taxation area. 
     Integrity is saying what you will do & then doing what you say.  Obama is light on the second half of integrity. Merely giving a campaign speech & saying that something is done doesn't make it so. 


Mark de LA says
Other Samuel Adams quotes & the above one can be found here.
I like these as well:
 
The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.

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It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

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How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!

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If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

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Actually, I like most of them.





Seth says
source: M above
The difference is the switch from the government of King George to that of King Obama in the taxation area. 
     Integrity is saying what you will do & then doing what you say.  Obama is light on the second half of integrity. Merely giving a campaign speech & saying that something is done doesn't make it so. 

It is strange that after passing the biggest tax cut in history, Obama is being compared to King George here.  Also strange is to impune his integrity as "not doing what he said" without a single example.  As far as i can see (and bearing in mind that we are only 30 days into his administration) he has done exactly what he said he was going to do - withing the limits of the Washington scene. In fact, a little integrity in your own analysis, would help us to actually tracking the new administration - otherwise we will end up just repeating hyperpartisan bull shit, which is something to which i am sick and tired of listenting. 

Mark de LA says
We're still waiting for the other shoe to drop on the tax cuts. The demos want $460B more to add to the budget & want to repeal Bush's tax cuts. Those trillions just approved have to be paid for somewhere by someone - elsewise the government goes bankrupt or prints money such that a loaf of bread costs a billion $$$.  That will be in tax increases. The details labeled as tax cuts probably don't cut any taxes for anything except those who run government dictated enterprises.  G'tmo is still there in spite of O's proclamation during the campaign & his executive order a couple of weeks ago.  Turns out, he has the same problems as W had in dealing with terrorist prisoners & winding it down. W was already winding down Iraq on a schedule the same essentially as O's. O is also adding more troops to Afganistan & getting no more cooperation from NATO than did W.  Check on that & the rest in a year & the problems will probably still be there.


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-24 14:54:20 11519
Well allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire is probably the only tax increase anybody will see during this administration - more likely those increases will not affect you, and you will see tax decreases as promised.  There is absolutely nothing that indicates anything else.  All of that was covered during the campaign. The Bush tax cuts are one of the primary cause of the trillion dollar deficit that you and the republicans are bloviating over.  Wait and see how fiscally responsible Obama is about cutting wasteful government spending and balancing the budget.   

Also nobody in the administration has said (ever) that closing G would be easy, and obviously it is the same situation as W had - that is not news to anybody.  The decision point will come in a year or two when we find whether prisoners are still there.  Projecting your own fears into events and policies way before they happen just decreases your own integraty, not Obama's.  It is hyperpartisan static. 
Spin Alert! Spin is highlited in red. Hyperspin is just bolded in black.


Mark de LA says
     Unfortunately, you have yellowed out as false some things which are basic economics (not a liberal's strong suit)! The democrats have many times said they want to repeal the Bush tax cuts - go back & do your research!
     The basic problem is that Congress & the president present absurdly large spending budgets & pass bills so large with non-specific aims that nobody can analyze & see what is really going to happen with taxpayer money. It is effectively a blank check for government spending. In many cases the monies get diverted at the last minute for something different under cover of darkness. If the people really groked exactly what was happening they would have another revolt. Unfortunately, the bread & circuses aspect of the situation makes few care except those being ripped off. It's time for a new Tea Party until the Congress & the President reform their spending so that it is absolutely transparent.  It will take a revolution because it will not happen from within. Governmental power & incumbency rests in spending money. We are NOW entering the Circus & free bread & ice cream is being handed out at the door.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-25 10:37:16 11519
Interesting response strategy. It might be interesting to look at how your comment of 2009-02-24 14:13:43 would fair under similar scrutiny.  Red is spin, i yellowed out the parts of your sentences which fell below my threshold of truth.
source: M's 2009-02-24 14:13:43 above
We're still waiting for the other shoe to drop on the tax cuts. The demos want $460B more to add to the budget & want to repeal Bush's tax cuts. Those trillions just approved have to be paid for somewhere by someone - elsewise the government goes bankrupt or prints money such that a loaf of bread costs a billion $$$That will be in tax increases. The details labeled as tax cuts probably don't cut any taxes for anything except those who run government dictated enterprises.  G'tmo is still there in spite of O's proclamation during the campaign & his executive order a couple of weeks ago.  Turns out, he has the same problems as W had in dealing with terrorist prisoners & winding it down. W was already winding down Iraq on a schedule the same essentially as O's. O is also adding more troops to Afganistan & getting no more cooperation from NATO than did W.  Check on that & the rest in a year & the problems will probably still be there.
I don't know about you, but my objective in writing comments is to make all of my sentences either humorous, or true in the sense that i am willing to support them. 
You wasted your time because I can't read your yellow.

Seth says
source: M above
You wasted your time because I can't read your yellow.
It's easy to read just run your cursor over it or read the text from the original.  The way i did it lets your read what is still in black as that contains all the legitimate content, what is in yellow is not true in any case. 

Re: Bread and Circuses and truth.  Jindals republican rebuttal of Obama's speech last night - like your comments above - contained a lot of just plain falsehoods.  For example ...
source: Jindal
It includes $300 million to buy new cars for the government, $8 billion for high-speed rail projects, such as a "magnetic levitation" line from Las Vegas to Disneyland
Not true, rather ...
source: factcheck.org
What the bill contains is $8 billion in funding for unspecified high speed rail projects. The money is to be allocated by the secretary of transportation. A DOT spokesperson told us that it is “premature to speculate” about what exactly will be funded.

.... [and probably will not be funded because] ...

The L.A.-to-Vegas project may well be under consideration for funding; according to a FAQ posted on the Federal Railroad Administration's Web site, maglev projects are eligible for funding under ARRA. But that same FAQ also points to a 2005 Railroad Administration report to Congress that found that outside of the heavily populated northeast corridor (roughly D.C. through Boston) and a 527-mile section along California's coast, maglev’s costs exceeded its benefits. That implies that the proposed Disneyland-to-Las Vegas route doesn't make economic sense to the FRA.
If you are going to complain at least do some fact checking and write true sentences. 

Mark de LA says

Fact Check: Obama's Words on Home Aid Ring Hollow
A this point we have a lot of liar, liar pants on fire going on.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-26 08:51:31 11519
source: M above
The basic problem is that Congress & the president present absurdly large spending budgets & pass bills so large with non-specific aims that nobody can analyze & see what is really going to happen with taxpayer money.
I doubt that it would be practical or even possible for Congress to direct exact payments.  The circus that is politics is not  conducive to the level of detail and due diligence that is required to disburse monies.  It is better to leave that in the hands of professionals who are closer to the actual situations.  These are budgets - they have always been just budgets. That said, there should be some process that follows up and makes sure that the burecrats have followed the intent of the Congress. Isn't that the GAO ?
Yep, that's the usual argument.  We need a Tea Party!!!  Even the budgets are so obscure that you can't really find what's in them nor follow the money.  When those who vote on spending don't read what they are voting on then it's time for a revolution.  Taxation without representation was a cry which once founded this country!

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-26 08:37:03 11519
source: M above
Unfortunately, you have yellowed out as false some things which are basic economics (not a liberal's strong suit)! The democrats have many times said they want to repeal the Bush tax cuts - go back & do your research!
I yellowed it because it is not being repealed - it is being allowed to expire according to the existing law enacted during the Bush administration.  For a sentence to be true it must be totally true.  One of the tactics of political spin is to mix some truth with some lies. 

Now on the other side of the street I must acknowledge that Jindal's statement, above, can be true if you interpret the "such as a" to mean just a example of the projects and not an actual project, nore taking up the entire $8b to be funded.  However you will find many spin artists repeating that and leaving out the "such as a". 
A distinction with very little difference!

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-26 09:14:17 11519
source: M above
Even the budgets are so obscure that you can't really find what's in them nor follow the money.  When those who vote on spending don't read what they are voting on then it's time for a revolution.
In researching the alleged maglev appropriation yesterday i noticed that it takes quite a lot of research skill to go from the wording of the bill to what it means.  One thing they need to do in their transparency remake is to publish their bills in HTML with every reference hyperlinked.  One wonders just how long it will take government to discover the web and use it the way it was designed.  And, yes, they should implement your hypie budget.
I love the semantic distinctions & language in your maglev link! Shine a light at night & the cockroaches scatter.


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-02-26 12:09:45 11519
seth 2009-02-26 11:54:32 11519
Here is the actual proposal from www.budget.gov.  It might be interesting to compare the "transparency" to that of the prior budget proposal. 

What was funny was at the end they have a place to put your credit card and purchase it for $26.
PS for direct comparison you can see Bush's budget for 2008 here.
What would be more interesting is to figure out where the money is going to go. I would also like to count the earmarks (or whatever euphamism is going to crop up to identify them). BTW, Bush is out of office! Sooner or later BHO is going to have to be responsible for what he does himself.  Some use a comparison of drowing in 20 fathoms of water versus drowing in 3 inches of water. In either case you drown. Neither is a happy ending.
 

Mark de LA says
This is not real yet, anyway! This is only what Obama asks for. The House of Representatives makes the real budget etc. - so look for Pelosi & Reed to really fuck things up! Some estimate that Obama is asking to spend $11,833 per American in his budget. Personally, I'd like mine before government gets it's greasy hands on it.

Mark de LA says
MR 2009-02-27 08:56:11 11519
source: ... Why does Obama preach gloom and doom? Because he is so anxious to cram through every last spending bill, tax increase on the so-called rich, new government regulation, and expansion of healthcare entitlement that he must preserve the atmosphere of crisis as a political necessity. Only by keeping us in a state of panic can he induce us to vote for trillion-dollar deficits and spending packages that send our national debt soaring.

And then there is the matter of blame. The deeper the mess goes ��" and the further down his rhetoric drives it ��" the more imperative it becomes to lay off the blame on Bush. He must perpetually “discover” ��" to his shock ��" how deep the crisis that he inherited runs, stoking global fears in the process.

So, having inherited a recession, his words are creating a depression. He entered office amid a disaster and he is transforming it into a catastrophe, all to pass every last bit of government spending and move us a bit further to the left before his political capital dwindles.

... that's it in a nutshell. I'm not hopeful that he & his party will ever be able to un-ring the bell he rang nor the disaster he is creating. 

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Mark de LA says

Mark de LA says
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New and expanded refundable tax credits would raise the fraction of taxpayers paying no income taxes to almost 50% from 38%. This is potentially the most pernicious feature of the president's budget, because it would cement a permanent voting majority with no stake in controlling the cost of general government.

From the poorly designed stimulus bill and vague new financial rescue plan, to the enormous expansion of government spending, taxes and debt somehow permanently strengthening economic growth, the assumptions underlying the president's economic program seem bereft of rigorous analysis and a careful reading of history.

Unfortunately, our history suggests new government programs, however noble the intent, more often wind up delivering less, more slowly, at far higher cost than projected, with potentially damaging unintended consequences. The most recent case, of course, was the government's meddling in the housing market to bring home ownership to low-income families, which became a prime cause of the current economic and financial disaster.

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An analysis of Obama's radical economic policies by a Stanford University professor. IMHO, the multi-trillion$$ circus must wind down fast before tomorrow's hangover kills America & the wonderful 300-year experiment ends.

Mark de LA says
Obama defends pet projects and signs spending bill:
source: ... Obama's signing statement said he wouldn't be bound by provisions of the bill in five areas. They involved negotiations with foreign governments, limits on using U.S. troops in U.N. missions, protections for government whistle-blowers, a congressional claim of authority over the spending of money already approved by Congress and congressional demands that the administration submit budget requests in certain forms.
... Personally, I find that signing statements are about as unconstitutional as the line item veto. Bush's abuse of same notwithstanding, the Legislature legislates & the Executive branch enforces. The proper thing to do is veto legislation & send it back for rework. This is his way of overriding a veto override & conflicts with the 2/3 majority & separation of powers. Legislation proposed by Republicans to get the bill signed are then backed out with the so-called signing statements.
    Earmarks OTOH, while abusive of trust are part of the process (a la Ron Paul et. al) & need more transparency so that the public can see it's tax dollars flying out the window & can remove offending politicians seeking job-security only.
The blue highlight in the quote just confirms his intent to turn appropriations into a slush-fund for whatever he sees fit. Piss on that! Again that is unconstitutional in that Congress appropriates the money & the executive branch carries out the intent.



Mark de LA says
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Mark de LA says

Paved With Magnificent Intentions: from George Will's column in the Washington Post.

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The implausibility of this opportunistic hypothesis is deepened by Obama's rhetoric, which says "catastrophe" impends unless everything is done simultaneously. But his budget, in effect, says the danger will soon be gone and the new risk will be whiplash from the economy's sudden acceleration. Although only a small fraction of the supposedly countercyclical stimulus will be spent by the end of the year, the budget assumes that by then the economy will have perked up, and that it will grow robustly -- 3.2 percent, 4 percent and 4.6 percent -- in the next three years. Growth supposedly will cut the deficit in half -- growth and the $1.6 trillion "saved" by first assuming, and then "canceling," a 10-year continuation of the surge in Iraq. Why, one wonders, not "save" $5 trillion by proposing to spend that amount to cover the moon with yogurt and then canceling the proposal?
The first president whose campaign was his qualification for office continues to campaign. And he is overexposed. His schedulers should remember what a contemporary said of Thomas Babington Macaulay, a prodigiously articulate but oppressively constant talker: "He has occasional flashes of silence that make his conversation perfectly delightful."
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Mark de LA says
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Despotism can come in many forms.  In Democracy in America, Alexis de Tocqueville cautioned readers about the possibility that democracy would result in a soft despotism of expanding paternalistic state power that gradually undermines self-government.  Soft despotism does not “tyrannize, it gets in the way: it curtails, it enervates, it extinguishes, it stupefies, and finally it reduces each nation to nothing more than a herd of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”  Since the early Twentieth Century, de Tocqueville’s warnings have gone unheeded.  The result is a soft despotism of scientific experts and administrative bureaucrats.


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Some reading material is suggested at the end of the lecture invitation. Now more than ever these warnings should wake you up!

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-04-07 10:31:57 11519
source: MR goes for it Alexis de Tocqueville above
Now more than ever these warnings should wake you up!
Nope, your misappropriation of this 19th century Frenchman's word soup have put me quite to sleep.
Being an Obama-juicer you should know word soup sounds like. Continue to sleep.


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-04-09 11:21:50 11519
I'm not going to read naked links without your comment or interpretation.  I already have enough links.

Mark de LA says
Here is a good picture of one of the clowns:



Democrat joker Al Franken to hand Obama control of Senate...
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I hope Minnesota is proud!

Mark de LA says
The stimulus pork pie divides up somewhat like this according to the WSJ:
The analysis has a spread sheet in exact amounts as well as tabs which show the various different spending purposes (this one for education).  Follow the money & you will know how the reps voted, IMHO.


Mark de LA says
& NOW what we knew before O blew it - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/22/cbo-stimulus-hurts-economy-long-run/
... It is better for the government to keep itself clear of the economy.


Mark de LA says
The MOB (Mo Bama - or - More Obama) crowd Riot/demonstrate for more free bread and circuses:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120404/D9TU0LV00.html

Raw video posted on the Internet Tuesday evening showed students chanting "Let us in, let us in" and "No cuts, no fees, education should be free."

Students were angry because only a handful were allowed into the meeting, and when their request to move the meeting to a larger venue was denied, they began to enter the room, said David Steinman, an environmental advocate who is running for Congress as a Green Party candidate.

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