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4/15/2009 (tax day)Apparently the libs at CNN are afraid of tea-parties. Must tow the Obama line, eh?
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"Debt Day," marking the point in the fiscal year when government spending exceeds revenue, falls this Sunday. That's the earliest Debt Day ever, says House Minority Leader John Boehner.

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Mark de LA says
MR 2009-04-13 10:21:43 11800
seth 2009-04-13 10:13:56 11800
Yeah foxnews is aggressively promoting these tea parties.  They are making their slogan of reporting "fair and balanced" into a total farce.  The Kool-Aid has it right.  But if i happen to run into any of these parties up here i'll send you a picture ... fair and balanced ... of what it looks like to me.
At least fair & balanced against the rest of the Obama-media like CNN & MSNBC .

Your anti-foxnews website notwithstanding of course!

Mark de LA says
~& now something topical ....


Seth says
MR 2009-04-13 13:05:45 11800
The amusing part about anti-tea-party, obama-juicing crowd is that none of them so far address the fundamental situation for which the Revolutionary War was fought: that is taxation without representation. Couched in modern (crisis & panic) class envy terms of "tax the rich" (now there's a meme for you), the current government is out spending all previous administrations & to a level that King George would have envied.  Why all the ad hominem stuff & source belittling & nothing addressing that?
Well regarding "taxation without representation", Congress sets the taxing and everybody is represented in Congress ... so that is a mute point now.  Obama has decreased taxes since taking office so, imho there is not legitimate complaint regarding excessive taxation.  Later the Bush tax cuts which favored the rich will be allowed to expire.  I certainly can understand how those few percent at the top of the food chain are promoting this so called tax revolt.  What i don't understand is why people like you complain ... after all, unless you've been holding out, you are going to have more in your pockets based upon Obama's policies.  And as far as spending goes ... decreasing spending during a recession is not the wisest thing to do.  You might want to do a little bit of research on that point.

Mark de LA says
When more than 50% of the electorate benefit from profligate spending then I am not represented. Where is your reference for Obama cutting taxes?  GWB cut taxes & it helped bring us out the Al Queda caused recession of 9/11.  Now Obama & congress is bringing the taxes back. The recession would end rather abruptly if the government were to give a year moritorium on Capital Gains & Income taxes. But then that would blow the notion they have carefully carved out that the government is the solution to all problems.


Mark de LA says
Kennedy & Reagan cut taxes & increased the revenue to the treasury at the same time because it stimulated the economy.  It is not a zero sum game - hard for liberals to comprehend


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-04-13 14:36:37 11800
MR 2009-04-13 14:32:56 11800
seth 2009-04-13 14:22:13 11800
source: MR above
The recession would end rather abruptly if the government were to give a year moritorium on Capital Gains & Income taxes.
... not to mention, of course, exploding the national debt to astronomical heights.  How can you complain with a straight face about Obama's budget which increases the deficit and then make a suggestion that would increase it 5 fold? 

Where do you get your numbers?  Obama & Congress has committed 1 whole GDP to his agendas, stimulus & bailouts which is <<<< less than 5 fold increase in the deficit.
Do the math ... how much is one year of capital gains and income taxes?
Then just do it for 1/2 year & collect at the end because of increase in the economy!

Mark de LA says
ibid
CNN fair & balanced? Maybe we need Chris Matthews (MSNBC) to give us an update on the thrill going up his leg for Obama - if it's still there.

Mark de LA says
2009-04-16 10:28:30 11800
source: MR updates his item
4/15/2009 (tax day)Apparently the libs at CNN are afraid of tea-parties. Must tow the Obama line, eh?
Beware, the neo-McCarthyites are in charge now - even veterans are in danger!
Well if the Republican party can stick to their core issue of small government and keep away from the fringe cookery then i'm all for it ... if they manage to become rational with that issue i might even switch parties.  I was going to go out and take some pictures but the fair and balanced wall to wall fox news promotion/coverage really turned me off ... in any case i was too busy doing my taxes.  I'm surprised that the media easily managed to escape the double meaning of tea bags, Anderson Cooper's subtle reference notwithstanding. Did you attend any tea parties?
Yep, Rush mentioned teabagging as well pointing to the urban dictionary definition of it. It could work both ways i.e. there might eventually be headlines something to the effect that Obama got teabagged on tax day , etc.  I did not attend any. Not my shtick.  I prefer writing. Finally, apparently conservatives are mastering internet & other media to get their messages across. It's just a warm-up! Getting rid of all incumbents is my goal. Conservatives just want to elect their own.  The idea that foxnews was the instigator is largely a myth there was much independent organizing; your always present n-wording of foxnews notwithstanding.
 

Mark de LA says
Taxpayers forced to give => Obama Stimulus => ACORN => who protests Tea Parties => against taxes & spending!
... the good old American way!
(NOT)
P.S. follow the money!

Mark de LA says
     Go watch or read my previous comment on this item about Liberal Fascism
or watch the Glenn Beck piece (2 parts or more).  History is repeating itself. The Great Depression was elongated by the actions of the government (many economists also support that idea). Obama is repeating that mistake (although possibly with good intentions). Natural market corrections, painful though some of them are, have a tendency to correct themselves if not exaggerated by governments trying to pump up their own powers & pretend that they can fix things by spending your money.
     OTOH, we may be sowing the seeds of more wars.  Most wars have seeds in economics. WW-I&II are exempli gratia. The Gulf Wars were likewise, considering the oil stranglehold.  Communism doesn't work without a strong central government with a military backing it up (i.e. China & Russia). A little history can go a long way if you don't get it all from the public school system.
P.S. - (RS warned about the socio-economic fabric of the country (Germany) & the World prior to WW-II. in his Threefold Commonwealth. Things may get so bad that threefoldness is the only way out.  I hope not, because human evolution probably needs a few more turns on it's macro-DNA to switch from wholly self-interest to brotherhood & force won't do the job.)  

Mark de LA says
2009-04-16 15:24:51 11800
MR 2009-04-16 14:44:30 11800
2009-04-16 14:05:48 11800
As you should know: Chris Matthews, Oberman and Rachael Meadow are more partisan commentators than news reporters on MSNBC, just like Hannity,  O'Riley, and Cavuto on foxnews.  As you have pointed out we don't expect partisans to be non partisan.  But excessive news coverage preceeding an event like the teaparties is not coverage, it's promotion.  You can hear that from a fox news anchor here if you don't believe me.  Ask yourself, honestly, how you would react if CNN did that kind of promotion of a anti war demonstration prior to the event.   Now i have no trouble with demonstrations and i have no trouble with the need to promote them; but what is wrong on multiple levels is saying that news channels who choose not to promote an event are somehow amiss.
CNN went out of it's way to cast the tea-parties as kook & bad.

Or maybe that's mostly what they were.  Certainly they did attract the cook fringe - that seems to me to be a story that needed coverage.
That's because CNN panders to your political persuasion! People who don't want to be taxed to fulfill Obama's political needs to get & seize more power are not kooks.

Mark de LA says
Seth: ...
I wish your wouldn't say stuff like "to fulfill Obama's political needs to get & seize more power" just because it does make you sound like a kook.  If you don't stretch the truth you will have more more credibility ... that was the problem with those demonstrations  ... too much stretching of the truth.  Articulating the virtues of small government would gain you and your teabaggers more traction.
...your head in the sand notwithstanding, nobody ascends to the often quoted "most powerful man in the world" job without political needs to get & seize more power!  Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Mark de LA says
~ looks pretty crisp to me


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-04-17 09:53:13 11800
MR 2009-04-16 18:43:05 11800
Seth: ...
I wish your wouldn't say stuff like "to fulfill Obama's political needs to get & seize more power" just because it does make you sound like a kook.  If you don't stretch the truth you will have more more credibility ... that was the problem with those demonstrations  ... too much stretching of the truth.  Articulating the virtues of small government would gain you and your teabaggers more traction.
...your head in the sand notwithstanding, nobody ascends to the often quoted "most powerful man in the world" job without political needs to get & seize more power!  Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Thing is, if the complaints about Obama were kept to actual factual trespasses committed, rather than fantasized trespass, they would map pretty much into the null set. That has got to tell you something about the rights's exuberance to criticize.  But if you limit complaints to actuality, fact is that the left has far more to complain about, than the right.  LOL, perhaps that is why the right keeps complaining about their fantasies.  But you are right, power corrupts ... watch for it vigilantly.
Here, read some Krauthammer & get the perspective. When your fearless leader bull shits to a point that people marvel at what a good speaker he is (with his teleprompter) & yet still suck it up (like the media amazed at how well Bill Clinton lied) then I, at least, suspect either a conspiracy of the M$M or a gravity-wave of unconsciousness being spread in the water.
(too many circuses, too little bread)

Mark de LA says
The big picture:


Mark de LA says
~~fair & balanced in the new world order...


Mark de LA says
While Obama's Axelrod is going around saying teaparty is unhealthy, real Americans apparently don't share the opinion:
source: ...

Fifty-one percent (51%) of Americans have a favorable view of the “tea parties” held nationwide last week, including 32% who say their view of the events is Very favorable.

Thirty-three percent (33%) hold an unfavorable opinion of the tea parties according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Fifteen percent (15%) are not sure.

While half the nation has a favorable opinion of last Wednesday’s events, the nation’s Political Class has a much dimmer view—just 13% of the political elite offered even a somewhat favorable assessment while 81% said the opposite. Among the Political Class, not a single survey respondent said they had a Very Favorable opinion of the events while 60% shared a Very Unfavorable assessment.

One-in-four adults (25%) say they personally know someone who attended a tea party protest. That figure includes just one percent (1%) of those in the Political Class.


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The fascinating part is how much the political class is out of touch!

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-04-21 11:50:04 11800
And finally this about sums it up ... thanks theweek.com ...



Yep, this would be funnier (& more accurate) if Obama were in the boat & the life preserver were a giant fish hook!

Mark de LA says
So then Obama pretends to be conservative & cut back 100,000,000 $$$ from the budget! Real money to most of us individuals, but in proportion to the big picture looks like this (the amount the government is spending every 15 minutes):

Seth says
You might want to give some small though to what it would be like if your flush government actually happened.  Ask yourself, what our society would be like, were there nothing to check  the power of large corporations?

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-04-25 10:07:26 11800
You might want to give some small though to what it would be like if your flush government actually happened.  Ask yourself, what our society would be like, were there nothing to check  the power of large corporations?
Government started the problem by regulations, taxes & favoritism to corporations who lobbied & paid for politicians. What I am speaking about is making the economy a separate part of the threefoldness.  Balance is achieved by the producers negotiating with eachother for the prices & production & capital needs of everyone.  Presumably an energy producer who had to pay $1-million dollars for a piece of toilet paper might lower his price for energy etc. It's simple in concept but might need a computer to keep track of. It is interesting that nobody on your side is interested in putting your giant brains upon real change.


Seth says
MR 2009-04-25 10:14:48 11800
seth 2009-04-25 10:07:26 11800
You might want to give some small though to what it would be like if your flush government actually happened.  Ask yourself, what our society would be like, were there nothing to check  the power of large corporations?
Government started the problem by regulations, taxes & favoritism to corporations who lobbied & paid for politicians. What I am speaking about is making the economy a separate part of the threefoldness.  Balance is achieved by the producers negotiating with each other for the prices & production & capital needs of everyone.  Presumably an energy producer who had to pay $1-million dollars for a piece of toilet paper might lower his price for energy etc. It's simple in concept but might need a computer to keep track of. It is interesting that nobody on your side is interested in putting your giant brains upon real change.

What force is going to bring corporations to the table to negotiate with each other and with the labor pool?  It sounds to me like price control via producer committees rather than a free market.  Every time you choose to purchase something at a price or work for a specific wage, you doing all the negotiating that needs to be done.  There are not enough details in your proposal to figure out how it would work.  Who tells me that i can or cannot sell my 2GB MP3 player for $19.95 when Wall Mart is selling a similar one for $29.95 ?

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-04-25 10:29:21 11800
MR 2009-04-25 10:14:48 11800
seth 2009-04-25 10:07:26 11800
You might want to give some small though to what it would be like if your flush government actually happened.  Ask yourself, what our society would be like, were there nothing to check  the power of large corporations?
Government started the problem by regulations, taxes & favoritism to corporations who lobbied & paid for politicians. What I am speaking about is making the economy a separate part of the threefoldness.  Balance is achieved by the producers negotiating with each other for the prices & production & capital needs of everyone.  Presumably an energy producer who had to pay $1-million dollars for a piece of toilet paper might lower his price for energy etc. It's simple in concept but might need a computer to keep track of. It is interesting that nobody on your side is interested in putting your giant brains upon real change.

What force is going to bring corporations to the table to negotiate with each other and with the labor pool?  It sounds to me like price control via producer committees rather than a free market.  Every time you choose to purchase something at a price or work for a specific wage, you doing all the negotiating that needs to be done.  There are not enough details in your proposal to figure out how it would work.  Who tells me that i can or cannot sell my 2GB MP3 player for $19.95 when Wall Mart is selling a similar one for $29.95 ?
This conversation really belongs in the threefold or within the threefold group. If you miss the parts on capital & labor changes you probably won't understand it all. I am still working on theBrain organizing the threefold concepts so as to publish it on the internet. Capital (i.e. corporations) & money have no existence without producers to do the work. Private capital is treated in a different way.  Excess (beyond what is necessary to sustain the family & dependents) resources (money?) support cultural,educational &  artistic & maybe the scientific domains. As far as the economic sphere goes we have cooperative brotherhood without interference from politics. That which is politics & the rights sphere has no control over money nor does money have control over it. That would obviously solves the biggest problem we have today. You have freedom, perhaps more than you have today in the cultural & educational domain. Land is not permanently tied to capital or money it is distributed according to what is needed to support the goods & services of the communities & the times.
It has a kind of expiration date when no longer needed for the purpose it was allocated. Same goes for capital. Factories & businesses no longer needed gas cars get converted to other means of transportation in other places & suited to available labor - but by the people doing the work & desiring the goods - not government! We could begin, perhaps, by having a constitutional convention of producers independent of labor unions & corporations. Let's determine what really needs to be produced for the various localities.


Mark de LA says
     Obama is a lot easier to get juiced up about than threefoldness because the latter requires some thought, imagination & less big dipper effect, knee-jerk responses.
     The only things I can see for accumulating money is security, toys & perhaps investment to put yourself on a higher rung of an imaginary ladder of success. Haven't you ever wondered what it would be like if competition evolved into cooperation in the economic domain? It's not all a zero-sum game anyway. One could look at anti-competition as heresy in America. I say that there are plenty of opportunities for competition in the other domains like school, science, discovery, athletics, etc.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-04-25 11:28:42 11800
well that certainly isn't capitalism.  Is sounds like a variant of communism with a anti-government spin.  Again i ask, what force is going to get people to give up their "excess beyond what is necessary to sustain the family to support cultural,educational & artistic domains"?  Is that supposed to happen just because of the innate spiritual goodness of human nature? 
     One force for change will show up when enough consciousness becomes completely fed-up with the government manipulating the money supply & taxing you to stay in power to do the same over & over again; when there just aren't enough taxpayers to pay for the bread & circuses & the house of cards collapses.
     Well, it will not resemble the current capitalism which is run by the government nor will it resemble communism which is also run in a totalitarian system from the state. It won't look like a state of Labor Unions because associations or guilds won't be negotiating against management, but in concert with each other.  Money which expires gives a new wrinkle to how much an individual accumulates beyond his upkeep & maintenance & that of his family.  Currently the government doesn't trust human nature & regulates the people's behavior up to  & including how you spend your money. People have lost their individual worth & purpose in a society that makes a commodity of their time & labor. When people feel the division of labor producing their livelihood & their needs in a cooperative venture as opposed to a competitive quest for an abstract sum of money things will change.

Mark de LA says
Tax Freedom Day is another interesting measure of financial burden of government. This year it moved back about 2 weeks due to the recession. However the red highlighted sentence below is nothing to celebrate!
source: ...

Tax Freedom Day® will arrive on April 13 this year, the 103rd day of 2009. That means Americans will work about three and a half months of the year, from January 1 to April 13, before they have earned enough money to pay this year's tax obligations at the federal, state and local levels. Tax Freedom Day falls a full two weeks earlier in 2009 than it did in 2007. In fact, not since 1967 has Tax Freedom Day come earlier than this year's April 13 date.

This shift has been driven by two factors: the recession has reduced tax collections even faster than it has reduced income; and the stimulus package, a.k.a. HR 1, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, includes large temporary tax cuts for 2009 and 2010. Nevertheless, in 2009, Americans will pay more in taxes than they will spend on food, clothing and housing combined.

While tax revenues are falling, government expenditures are expected to explode in 2009, also driven in significant part by HR 1. Tax Freedom Day, like almost all tax burden measures, ignores the current year's deficits. If the projected deficit for 2009 were counted as a tax, Tax Freedom Day would arrive on May 29 instead of April 13-the latest date ever for this deficit-inclusive measure.

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Mark de LA says
seth 2009-07-06 13:13:33 11800
"Despite Fox hype, turnout shrivels at July 4 teabag parties"  Maybe real people are actually more patriotic on the 4th of July than the foxnews raggers. 

It is more like the dailyKOS readers are usually drunk & asleep by the time anything happens!
They probably missed this.

Seth says
source: MR above
They probably missed this.
... prolly did ... i don't take the tabloids you buy at the supermarket check stand seriously ... mostly i just glance at them and laugh at their absurdity.  But i guess some people buy those rags.  Btw i got some pictures of demonstrations in Seattle that i could crop for you to make them look impressive ... maybe you could sell them to WMD.

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