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About: ctv.ca | border comments spark diplomatic kerfuffle


First Janet Napolitano the head of Homeland Security implies that returning veterans are potential terrorists & then she demonstrates that she doesn't know shit about our own borders. I guess she's just another political appointee without any credentials for the job - it's just plain fishy.


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In the most recent instance, Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair acknowledged in a memo to the intelligence community that Bush-era interrogation practices yielded had "high-value information,” then omitted that admission from a public version of his assessment.
That leaves a top Obama administration official appearing to validate claims by former Vice President Dick Cheney that waterboarding and other techniques the White House regards as torture were effective in preventing terrorist attacks. And the press release created the impression the administration was trying to suppress this conclusion.


You must be watching too much TV fiction! Google has ~ 5000 news articles on Obama's torture confusion. Perhaps you should read a few of them instead of watching reruns of 24. The cartoon at the top of the item stands!

"Janet Napolitano the head of Homeland Security implies that returning veterans are potential terrorists ...



You look at the political expediency and the political objective of these leaks. Obama was elected by running against George Bush, even though he wasn't on the ballot. He has been running against Bush in the first 100 days. He ran against Bush when he was in Europe and in Trinidad. He's making himself the foil against Bush.
And you would expect that has to end after a few months. Well, with the torture issue, it doesn't end. It's a perfect way to keep Bush alive as the permanent nemesis and foil of Obama.
And what he's doing is by strategically releasing a memo here, a memo there, he creates a firestorm, which is all predictable, which is not going to end up in prosecutions. It will end up in a truth commission.
You will have all kinds of congressional hearings. You will have all kinds of commissions. You will have leaks. You will have televised, very dramatic testimony.
This issue, the Bush issue, will be alive for a long time.
And the reason Obama is trying to look magnanimous in saying he won't prosecute the CIA officials is because, obviously, there is no way to prosecute an official who acted in good faith. And even their lawyers, who simply offered an opinion, you're going to [prosecute a] lawyer who simply offered an opinion?
The issue, I think, of prosecutions, is a side issue here. The real issue is the hearings, the commissions, and the leaks that we will have in the future.



"Janet Napolitano the head of Homeland Security implies that returning veterans are potential terrorists ...








The current real news is about Obama making some statements that could be construed to imply hat his administration was not going to prosecute the last administration for torture related offenses. He then clarified that the prosecution was up to the justice departement. In fact it is ... the justice department is suposed to be indeendant and not run by political vendettas. Raging on that is just more static. The only interesting real question was raised by Cheney: Does tortue work or not? It seems that there are some memos that bear on that topic. I want to see those memos.

FOX News has learned there were more than 30 meetings and briefings with Congress on the subject since 2002.
The first such briefing dealt with the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, Al Qaeda's operations chief who ran the training camps in Afghanistan were the Sept. 11 hijackers were trained. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, now House speaker, attended along with then-Rep. Porter Goss, Fla., (who later became CIA director), but did not raise any objections, sources said.
The briefings were given until 2006 to the chairmen and ranking members of the intelligence committees in the House and Senate. That could cover Sen. John Rockefeller, W.Va., and Rep. Jane Harman, Calif., both Democrats, as well as Sen. Pat Roberts, Kan., Sen. Lindsey Graham, S.C., Sen. Richard Shelby, Ala., and Rep. Pete Hoekstra, Mich., all Republicans.
Defenders of the interrogation program note that if Congress had wanted to kill the program, all it had to do was withhold funding, which didn't happen


Hmmm.... 7 misspellings in this ... the hero worship is increasing! Krauthammer also writes for the Washington Post! ; your transparent maligning of Foxnews notwithstanding. With Obama there are no hard facts or truth because most of what he says has a truth half-life of 1/2 to 3/4 of a news cycle. Lets revisit this post after the "truth commission" gets under way & see if Krauthammer is right! Let's see how far into the Obama administration BHO goes before he actually takes ownership of his own mistakes & policies.

Maybe we should just act like Christians & turn the other neck. (;-p)
Defenders of the interrogation program note that if Congress had wanted to kill the program, all it had to do was withhold funding, which didn't happen
Republicans currently hold a six-seat majority in the House. Democrats had a one-seat majority in the Senate, prior to the death of Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota in a plane crash last month. Political observers expect a tight race for control of Congress. They say the United States appears to be as politically divided as it was during the contested 2000 presidential race.


In a letter to his intelligence community colleagues last Thursday, Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair described those briefings. “From 2002 through 2006 when the use of these techniques ended, the leadership of the CIA repeatedly reported their activities both to Executive Branch policymakers and to members of Congress, and received permission to continue to use the techniques.”

Other Republicans have pointed out that with the exception of Blair, the Obama administration has defending the policies using political figures – like Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod – rather than top national security advisers.
“You can imagine what it would have looked like, if on a sensitive intelligence matter involving the CIA and this controversy, if we sent Karl Rove out to do this briefing. And that’s in effect what’s happened here,” says a high-ranking official from the Bush White House. “And I assume that’s because they saw it primarily as a political issue – because it’s being debated inside as a political issue –because it’s about appeasing the left, whose support they sought during the campaign. And Axelrod is more of an expert on that crowd that anybody else. It also says to me he was in all the meetings where they were debating this question – whether or not Obama had better go forward with some kind of investigation.”
this shit is all political witch hunting for effect ...
Now, they say, waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) yielded intelligence that led to the disruption of an al Qaeda plot to attack the tallest building in Los Angeles, the Library Tower (which both Bush and Rove called the Liberty Tower, for some reason). There’s just one problem with Rove’s new story: it couldn’t possibly be true.
As Timothy Noah pointed out in Slate, the Los Angeles attack was foiled in February of 2002. KSM was not captured until March of 2003, however — more than a year later.
I would like to have members of Congress & those briefed put under oath & paraded before the public in a truth commission just to see what happens. We will have plenty of comedy for the rest of BHO's term.
I would like to have members of Congress & those briefed put under oath & paraded before the public in a truth commission just to see what happens. We will have plenty of comedy for the rest of BHO's term.
One of the most striking parts of the memos is the false premises on which they are based. The first, dated August 2002, grants authorization to use harsh interrogation techniques on a high-ranking terrorist, Abu Zubaydah, on the grounds that previous methods hadn’t been working. The next three memos cite the successes of those methods as a justification for their continued use.
It is inaccurate, however, to say that Abu Zubaydah had been uncooperative. Along with another F.B.I. agent, and with several C.I.A. officers present, I questioned him from March to June 2002, before the harsh techniques were introduced later in August. Under traditional interrogation methods, he provided us with important actionable intelligence.
We discovered, for example, that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. Abu Zubaydah also told us about Jose Padilla, the so-called dirty bomber. This experience fit what I had found throughout my counterterrorism career: traditional interrogation techniques are successful in identifying operatives, uncovering plots and saving lives.
I would like to have members of Congress & those briefed put under oath & paraded before the public in a truth commission just to see what happens. We will have plenty of comedy for the rest of BHO's term.







Then, in the luxury of that very safety, and with the recrudescence of partisanship, from 2004 to 2009, our once-praised guardians were redefined by their Democratic critics as Gestapo-like torturers who created a Stalag in Cuba. And the terrorists, this new story went, were unfortunates bundled away for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, in the vicinity of bin Laden’s Hindu Kush compounds.
And we know in advance the dénouement of this tragicomedy. Should we lose another 3,000 in a morning, and should the attackers have appeared earlier on wire-taps, been released from Guantanamo, or escaped notice due to new “firewalls,” then once more we will go into the cycle of recrimination.
The only constant is that those who are most loudly screaming for the heads of the Bush officials will be silent should the carnage return — or perhaps they will be the most vocal in allotting blame to the Obama administration, which listened to them. No doubt they will demand postfacto hearings on topics such as “Who let him out of Guantanamo?” as they chant, “Obama slept, we wept!”

We wonder how disclosing top secrets of our country's strategy & methods of collecting intelligence on terrorists can possibly benefit anyone except our enemies.

"There were two reasons why these interrogations were so persistent, and why extreme methods were used," the former senior intelligence official said on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity.
"The main one is that everyone was worried about some kind of follow-up attack (after 9/11). But for most of 2002 and into 2003, Cheney and Rumsfeld, especially, were also demanding proof of the links between al Qaida and Iraq that (former Iraqi exile leader Ahmed) Chalabi and others had told them were there."
It was during this period that CIA interrogators waterboarded two alleged top al Qaida detainees repeatedly ��" Abu Zubaydah at least 83 times in August 2002 and Khalid Sheik Muhammed 183 times in March 2003 ��" according to a newly released Justice Department document.
"There was constant pressure on the intelligence agencies and the interrogators to do whatever it took to get that information out of the detainees, especially the few high-value ones we had, and when people kept coming up empty, they were told by Cheney's and Rumsfeld's people to push harder," he continued.
I suspect that someone who can speak like a native & can follow the cues like the guy in Lie to Me TV show does (if that is an accurate technology) would yield interesting info. The problem is the setting & the fact that the context is always prisoner-jailer. I'm fairly certain that the CIA is ahead of me on that thought. What I want from Congress & the intelligence committees is the minutes & transcript of the congressional briefings going back to 2001 on the subject. Let's see what Pelosi really said in those meetings.

"There were two reasons why these interrogations were so persistent, and why extreme methods were used," the former senior intelligence official said on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity.
"The main one is that everyone was worried about some kind of follow-up attack (after 9/11). But for most of 2002 and into 2003, Cheney and Rumsfeld, especially, were also demanding proof of the links between al Qaida and Iraq that (former Iraqi exile leader Ahmed) Chalabi and others had told them were there."
It was during this period that CIA interrogators waterboarded two alleged top al Qaida detainees repeatedly ��" Abu Zubaydah at least 83 times in August 2002 and Khalid Sheik Muhammed 183 times in March 2003 ��" according to a newly released Justice Department document.
"There was constant pressure on the intelligence agencies and the interrogators to do whatever it took to get that information out of the detainees, especially the few high-value ones we had, and when people kept coming up empty, they were told by Cheney's and Rumsfeld's people to push harder," he continued.
I suspect that someone who can speak like a native & can follow the cues like the guy in Lie to Me TV show does (if that is an accurate technology) would yield interesting info. The problem is the setting & the fact that the context is always prisoner-jailer. I'm fairly certain that the CIA is ahead of me on that thought. What I want from Congress & the intelligence committees is the minutes & transcript of the congressional briefings going back to 2001 on the subject. Let's see what Pelosi really said in those meetings.

We wonder how disclosing top secrets of our country's strategy & methods of collecting intelligence on terrorists can possibly benefit anyone except our enemies.




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