China as a good Example

China is an example of what happens when the economic factor is largely replacing idology.  Although their government still regulates, as does ours, it is worth noting that they could probably destroy our economy by calling all their loans & selling all the dollars they hold.  OTOH, because of the interconnectedness of our economies they would also destroy themselves.  Maybe there is a clue in here about the Israel-Palestine relationships.  Suppose the Jews & Palestinians got together is such interconnectedness economically that they would literally destroy their own economies if they didn't cooperate. OTOH, Palestine doesn't have much of an economy, does it?
.... just a thought

Tags

  1. economy
  2. interconnectedness
  3. israel-palestine
  4. threefoldization

Comments


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-06 12:41:34 12057
Nope, Palestine does not have a viable economy.  It doesn't even support its self ... especially in Gaza.  Thing is rather that look at the negative end of destroying each other ... look at the positive side of how they could make that land of milk and honey prosper if they just stopped killing and oppressing each other.
Again you went back to the fight instead of looking at the meat of this item.


Seth says
Nope, Palestine does not have a viable economy.  It doesn't even support its self ... especially in Gaza.  Thing is rather that look at the negative end of destroying each other ... look at the positive side of how they could make that land of milk and honey prosper if they just stopped killing and oppressing each other.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-06 23:52:02 12057
MR 2009-06-06 19:07:18 12057
seth 2009-06-06 12:41:34 12057
Nope, Palestine does not have a viable economy.  It doesn't even support its self ... especially in Gaza.  Thing is rather that look at the negative end of destroying each other ... look at the positive side of how they could make that land of milk and honey prosper if they just stopped killing and oppressing each other.
Again you went back to the fight instead of looking at the meat of this item.

Actually i didn't ... you might want to reread my comment and interpret it correctly.
While what you said is trite & obvious, it does not speak to the interconnectedness which is the root of this item. Perhaps I should declare that the topic so that you can stay on it!

Mark de LA says
I am slowly convincing myself that massive globalization followed by the electorate not giving any money to political campaigns would be a first step toward treefoldization.
The latter effect being no support for politicians.

Seth says
MR 2009-06-07 05:37:55 12057
seth 2009-06-06 23:52:02 12057
MR 2009-06-06 19:07:18 12057
seth 2009-06-06 12:41:34 12057
Nope, Palestine does not have a viable economy.  It doesn't even support its self ... especially in Gaza.  Thing is rather that look at the negative end of destroying each other ... look at the positive side of how they could make that land of milk and honey prosper if they just stopped killing and oppressing each other.
Again you went back to the fight instead of looking at the meat of this item.

Actually i didn't ... you might want to reread my comment and interpret it correctly.
While what you said is trite & obvious, it does not speak to the interconnectedness which is the root of this item. Perhaps I should declare that the topic so that you can stay on it!
I didn't know it was useful to agree with the obviousness of interconnectedness.   Your point is that interconnectedness impels cooperation because it can bring you down ... i merely am suggesting that the situation is symmetric ... and interconnectedness impels cooperation because that can bring you up.

Seth says
MR 2009-06-07 08:51:46 12057
I am slowly convincing myself that massive globalization followed by the electorate not giving any money to political campaigns would be a first step toward treefoldization.
The latter effect being no support for politicians.
Oh, why is that?

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-07 09:27:43 12057
MR 2009-06-07 08:51:46 12057
I am slowly convincing myself that massive globalization followed by the electorate not giving any money to political campaigns would be a first step toward treefoldization.
The latter effect being no support for politicians.
Oh, why is that?
Globalization supports the interconnectedness which is the topic.  No support for politicians helps remove the importance of politicians & maybe the economic domain will gain a greater degree of independence which is my aim in looking for patterns to implement threefoldedness. Today, politicians depend on money from various groups & companies who are looking for reciprocity. While quid pro quo would be bribery or illegal, there is nothing to prove it if both sides act independently for the same result; thus Obama got a lot of money from unions & gave major concessions to unions with the GM & Chrysler bankruptcies & yet nobody will get thrown in jail for it. Making politicians less powerful by removing the money from the process will also improve the rights domain (Justice); McCain-Feingold doing the opposite notwithstanding.


Mark de LA says
China before Nixon & still to some extent today was adversarial. That it doesn't pursue that to the extent that it could attests to our mutual interdependence - both positive & negative. Russia, OTOH is vamping up the negative again probably because it's oil & gas is about all the West wants from them. The interdependence is a negative one build on nuclear weapons & military.  I am mainly interested in the interdependence of the economic domain as that will trump the others if it remains balanced. You missed my point in your summary:
source: ... Your point is that interconnectedness impels cooperation because it can bring you down ...
... only if you start from adversarial positions such as the Israel-Palestine situation. We already have cooperative interconnectedness with Mexico & Canada (opposed by the unions).
The subtle point was pointed out years ago by RS. Or 6239


Seth says
Well, yes, lessening power of politicians will certainly let globalization and big business grow unfettered.  I'm not so sure that would be a good thing in the near term.  The recent example of the craziness of the banking system with firms like AIG thinking they could sell insurance against loss and just rake in the premiums and not plan for paying off.  I don't think you can make the point that lack of regulation will lead to anything but runaway greed.  I don't think that corporations getting bigger and bigger necessarily helps our society.  There needs to be a check and balance on that and that is the government.  Just giving you the other point of view that is not integrated in your plan.

Mark de LA says
Yep, some of the other things will have to happen in the labor, money etc. See some of it here on a non Steiner blog.

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