Evan Thomas Video - Obama is sort of a god

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  2. item 714
  3. obama worship
  4. rush limbaugh
  5. limbaugh bashing
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Mark de LA says
I listened to the entire hour. The mention of race was unnecessary, but was mostly for the purpose of identifying Obama as a mere human & not a god. 714 would hold that his comment was racist. OTOH, 714 also emphasizes the following at the top of the item:
714: ... I say that anyone who uses the distinctions of race to argue, judge, excuse, blame, criticize, politicize, incite, agitate, allocate, study, educate, etc. is a RACIST !
...it is the purpose to which the distinctions are put that makes it racist , not the distinctions themselves.  This is something that Seth doesn't quite understand yet. Rush could have left Obama's race out of the commentary & driven home the same point.
Seth says
MR 2009-06-09 16:40:00 12074
seth 2009-06-09 16:32:25 12074
MR 2009-06-09 16:08:39 12074
I listened to the entire hour. The mention of race was unnecessary, but was mostly for the purpose of identifying Obama as a mere human & not a god. 714 would hold that his comment was racist. OTOH, 714 also emphasizes the following at the top of the item:
714: ... I say that anyone who uses the distinctions of race to argue, judge, excuse, blame, criticize, politicize, incite, agitate, allocate, study, educate, etc. is a RACIST !
...it is the purpose to which the distinctions are put that makes it racist , not the distinctions themselves.  This is something that Seth doesn't quite understand yet. Rush could have left Obama's race out of the commentary & driven home the same point.
Rush was arguing and judging ... item 714 holds.  Now i agree that it was unnecessary for his point, but that makes it ever worse that he had to compare being above God to being a half breed ... implying that being a half breed was somehow beneath being a human.  I can't believe that you are defending this statement.  Based upon a normal interpretation of what racism is, it is not all that bad ... but based upon your 714 is is exactly racism.  Like i said, this is a prime example of why 714 sucks.
You are the one with the itchy racist chip on your shoulder. I said that his comment could be judged racist.  I did not defend it. Go back & read it with your head out of your ass! You are the one that brought up half-breed as if it were some kind of a racist inuendo. When Rush said that it wasn't used in that way.

Well then why didn't he just call Obama black?
Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-09 16:24:47 12074
source: MR above
I have the distinctions therefore I am not.
That's a funny one ... that really is.  And it goes the the ridiculousness of 714.  That you have distinctions means that you are not a racist.  Apparenly it doesn't matter what kinds of feelings are burned into your vicera.
Ridicule does not enforce your argument one jot nor tittle. Do you have a bunch of racist feelings burned into your vicera?

Mark de LA says
Seth's comment as Rush discussed Thomas' comments:

MR: 2009-06-09 15:13:03
2009-06-09 15:13:03
seth 2009-06-09 14:59:51 [item 714]
MR 2009-06-09 14:33:10 [item 714]
seth 2009-06-09 09:22:56 [item 714]
Perhaps you ought to call Rush Limbaugh out for breaking 714 ...
source: Media matters
Rush aired a sound bite of Newsweek's Evan Thomas contrasting Reagan's and Obama's visions of America in the world, describing Reagan as "parochial" while Obama is above it all, like a "god." Rush said Reagan was not provincial; he understood America's greatness and its role in the world for good. Obama, however, sees America's role in the world as bad. Rush added: "It is offensive to the sensibilities of millions of people to hear a member of the state-run media refer to a half-black, half-white human being with no experience running anything of substance referred to as a god. He may be president of the United States, but he's not a god."
...  And, yes, describing him as "being above it all, like a god" is over the top as well... but then that was Evan Thomas's point, what was Rushe's ... that Obama is a half breed? 

Did you actually hear Rush say this on the radio or are you passing hearsay again? Ask Rush what he meant I didn't hear the sound byte. Get this shit off of this item. You have really defaced the purpose of this item.  I know from actual listening that Rush does not have the distinctions about racism that I do. I can actually dig up the whole hour and find the context for the quote that somebody else found. Someday you will learn to debate the content rather than assault the people. 
Well Simon Maloy who i sourced quoted him ... i doubt that he would put in double quotes something that he didnt say.  You seem to like delete everything that discoloses the real truth.  Go ahead ... i could care less.  Rush is a racist ... are you one too?
This is just another Rush-bashing & really has nothing to do with the distinctions of this item. If Rush is a racist then so are you.  I have the distinctions therefore I am not. If you want to continue on this ad hominum line put this one on an item of your own.
Mark de LA says
It is strange how you & the whole Democrat Party is still running against Rush Limbaugh. Someday you might run with some of your own ideas if you find one.\

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-09 17:09:14 12074
MR 2009-06-09 16:51:19 12074
I posed in some other post the question Why does Obama choose to identify with his black component rather than his white?  IMHO, Rush probably used the half black, half white distinction to emphasize his humanity rather than his being half black, half god or half white, half god.
Apparently the commentator in the video thinks he's half god (or maybe a whole one).
Who says he does? As far as i can tell he acts more like a generic man, than like a man wearing his ethnicity on his sleeve.  It is you and Rush who are foisting the importance of this half-black half-white identity on him.
Why did he accept all those accolades as the first black president then? Why was his election historic?
Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-09 16:32:25 12074
MR 2009-06-09 16:08:39 12074
I listened to the entire hour. The mention of race was unnecessary, but was mostly for the purpose of identifying Obama as a mere human & not a god. 714 would hold that his comment was racist. OTOH, 714 also emphasizes the following at the top of the item:
714: ... I say that anyone who uses the distinctions of race to argue, judge, excuse, blame, criticize, politicize, incite, agitate, allocate, study, educate, etc. is a RACIST !
...it is the purpose to which the distinctions are put that makes it racist , not the distinctions themselves.  This is something that Seth doesn't quite understand yet. Rush could have left Obama's race out of the commentary & driven home the same point.
Rush was arguing and judging ... item 714 holds.  Now i agree that it was unnecessary for his point, but that makes it ever worse that he had to compare being above God to being a half breed ... implying that being a half breed was somehow beneath being a human.  I can't believe that you are defending this statement.  Based upon a normal interpretation of what racism is, it is not all that bad ... but based upon your 714 is is exactly racism.  Like i said, this is a prime example of why 714 sucks.
You are the one with the itchy racist chip on your shoulder. I said that his comment could be judged racist.  I did not defend it. Go back & read it with your head out of your ass! You are the one that brought up half-breed as if it were some kind of a racist inuendo. When Rush said that it wasn't used in that way.

Seth says
MR 2009-06-09 17:15:38 12074
seth 2009-06-09 17:09:14 12074
MR 2009-06-09 16:51:19 12074
I posed in some other post the question Why does Obama choose to identify with his black component rather than his white?  IMHO, Rush probably used the half black, half white distinction to emphasize his humanity rather than his being half black, half god or half white, half god.
Apparently the commentator in the video thinks he's half god (or maybe a whole one).
Who says he does? As far as i can tell he acts more like a generic man, than like a man wearing his ethnicity on his sleeve.  It is you and Rush who are foisting the importance of this half-black half-white identity on him.
Why did he accept all those accolades as the first black president then? Why was his election historic?
Well obviously he is the first black president - your quibble notwithstanding - and he has every right to be proud of it.  But that does not, as you say above, mean that he "chooses to identify with his black component rather than his white."  That, on its face, would be kind of a silly thing.  Take, for example, my son Jason - half black, half white, if you asked him which side he identified with he would just look confused and say nothing. But if you really want to peruse that, count the number of times in the campaign when Obama mentioned his white mother and grandmother during the campaign and how much they affected his character.   You really are just making up shit.
Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-09 16:41:39 12074
MR 2009-06-09 16:27:37 12074
seth 2009-06-09 16:24:47 12074
source: MR above
I have the distinctions therefore I am not.
That's a funny one ... that really is.  And it goes the the ridiculousness of 714.  That you have distinctions means that you are not a racist.  Apparenly it doesn't matter what kinds of feelings are burned into your vicera.
Ridicule does not enforce your argument one jot nor tittle. Do you have a bunch of racist feelings burned into your vicera?

Nope ... not a bunch.  I bet i have some but i don't run into them very often. After all i am human, and grew up in the same family that you did.  I was put off by Rush's words ... they weren't necessary ... i identified with the half-black half-white president that he was disparaging.  Did you instead identify with Rush when he said that?  Are you in his base when he talks like that?
I didn't listen to Rush that day. I don't identify with Rush! I sometimes agree with his politics. I mostly disagree with Obama's. 

Seth says
MR 2009-06-09 17:16:55 12074
It is strange how you & the whole Democrat Party is still running against Rush Limbaugh. Someday you might run with some of your own ideas if you find one.


That because he's so funny!
Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-09 18:45:40 12074
MR 2009-06-09 17:15:38 12074
seth 2009-06-09 17:09:14 12074
MR 2009-06-09 16:51:19 12074
I posed in some other post the question Why does Obama choose to identify with his black component rather than his white?  IMHO, Rush probably used the half black, half white distinction to emphasize his humanity rather than his being half black, half god or half white, half god.
Apparently the commentator in the video thinks he's half god (or maybe a whole one).
Who says he does? As far as i can tell he acts more like a generic man, than like a man wearing his ethnicity on his sleeve.  It is you and Rush who are foisting the importance of this half-black half-white identity on him.
Why did he accept all those accolades as the first black president then? Why was his election historic?
Well obviously he is the first black president - your quibble notwithstanding - and he has every right to be proud of it.  But that does not, as you say above, mean that he "chooses to identify with his black component rather than his white."  That, on its face, would be kind of a silly thing.  Take, for example, my son Jason - half black, half white, if you asked him which side he identified with he would just look confused and say nothing. But if you really want to peruse that, count the number of times in the campaign when Obama mentioned his white mother and grandmother during the campaign and how much they affected his character.   You really are just making up shit.
You were alright until a turd entered your brain. Maybe Obama is a chameleon.  When he went to Egypt he seemed to emphasize his Muslim heritage.  During the campaign he emphasized his mother's race to identify with the larger demographic.  Depends upon where he is at. I'll bet when he returns to Chicago.......etc. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-09 23:12:38 12074
MR 2009-06-09 20:27:05 12074
Notice that the stupid-assed remark by Evan Thomas in the Video has been totally lost!
If you listen to the whole cut in context, its not so bad.  One of those times when somebody exaggerates to the extreme to make a point.  There is no way that he was deifying Obama. That wasn't what he was saying. 
Now I know one of us is nuts! I think in your case the Kool-Aide is all gone. Enjoy the acid trip.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-10 08:56:42 12074
MR 2009-06-10 08:44:12 12074
seth 2009-06-10 08:42:48 12074
Unfortunately being and incumbent in Iran has an immense advantage.
As is incumbency anywhere.
I think there is a difference in scale here.  I heard a report yesterday on some broadcast news station that a no incumbent has ever lost.
GHWB lost. The sentence needs rephrasing.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-10 08:42:48 12074
Unfortunately being and incumbent in Iran has an immense advantage.
As is incumbency anywhere.
Seth says
MR 2009-06-09 20:25:13 12074
seth 2009-06-09 18:45:40 12074
MR 2009-06-09 17:15:38 12074
seth 2009-06-09 17:09:14 12074
MR 2009-06-09 16:51:19 12074
I posed in some other post the question Why does Obama choose to identify with his black component rather than his white?  IMHO, Rush probably used the half black, half white distinction to emphasize his humanity rather than his being half black, half god or half white, half god.
Apparently the commentator in the video thinks he's half god (or maybe a whole one).
Who says he does? As far as i can tell he acts more like a generic man, than like a man wearing his ethnicity on his sleeve.  It is you and Rush who are foisting the importance of this half-black half-white identity on him.
Why did he accept all those accolades as the first black president then? Why was his election historic?
Well obviously he is the first black president - your quibble notwithstanding - and he has every right to be proud of it.  But that does not, as you say above, mean that he "chooses to identify with his black component rather than his white."  That, on its face, would be kind of a silly thing.  Take, for example, my son Jason - half black, half white, if you asked him which side he identified with he would just look confused and say nothing. But if you really want to peruse that, count the number of times in the campaign when Obama mentioned his white mother and grandmother during the campaign and how much they affected his character.   You really are just making up shit.
You were alright until a turd entered your brain. Maybe Obama is a chameleon.  When he went to Egypt he seemed to emphasize his Muslim heritage.  During the campaign he emphasized his mother's race to identify with the larger demographic.  Depends upon where he is at. I'll bet when he returns to Chicago.......etc. 

You could say he was a chameleon.  But hey, he was talking to the Muslims of the Middle East ... of course he was going to talk to them in as much their language as possible.  Thing is watch what effect his speech has.  Some things to watch for:  (1) What will Netanyahu say on Sunday?  (2) Will Ahmadinejad loose the election in Iran ? (3) Will Israel sit down at the table with the PA this year?  If we get 3 out of 3, then me thinks he hit it out of the ball park with his speech in Ciro.  
Mark de LA says
Taking a cue from Obama:

Seth says
MR 2009-06-10 09:05:22 12074
seth 2009-06-10 08:56:42 12074
MR 2009-06-10 08:44:12 12074
seth 2009-06-10 08:42:48 12074
Unfortunately being and incumbent in Iran has an immense advantage.
As is incumbency anywhere.
I think there is a difference in scale here.  I heard a report yesterday on some broadcast news station that a no incumbent has ever lost.
GHWB lost. The sentence needs rephrasing.

Ok, No incumbent in Iran since the Revolution has ever lost.
Seth says
MR 2009-06-10 11:31:39 12074
seth 2009-06-10 10:56:10 12074
MR 2009-06-10 10:43:52 12074
seth 2009-06-10 10:23:51 12074
The title given to the sound byte of Evan Thomas Video, and by default this item,  is not justified by what he actually said.
It's an exact quote, why not?
Because it's not an exact quote.
Sorry,but "I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above �" above the world, he’s sort of God" is close enough to justify the headline.

Well yes your version is closer than the you tube title.  But by listening to the small sound byte you can still easly tell that his point is not to say that Obama is a God. It is to say that Obama's concerns are not just parochial.  Why is it useful to try to gain partisan points by twisting a person's meaning?  I never have understood what people hope to gain from such behaviros.  I guess it is to mislead people who are too lazy to verify the distrotions.  Sigh.
Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-10 10:56:10 12074
MR 2009-06-10 10:43:52 12074
seth 2009-06-10 10:23:51 12074
The title given to the sound byte of Evan Thomas Video, and by default this item,  is not justified by what he actually said.
It's an exact quote, why not?
Because it's not an exact quote.
Sorry,but "I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God" is close enough to justify the headline.

Mark de LA says
Well yes your version is closer than the you tube title.  But by listening to the small sound byte you can still easly tell that his point is not to say that Obama is a God. It is to say that Obama's concerns are not just parochial.  Why is it useful to try to gain partisan points by twisting a person's meaning?  I never have understood what people hope to gain from such behaviros.  I guess it is to mislead people who are too lazy to verify the distrotions.  Sigh.
Here is the blog which stimulated mine! "He's sort of God" is clearly there. The rest of your post is a big red straw-man that I don't accept applies.
BTW he also said (implying Reagan was)
source: ...
We're not just parochial, we're not just chauvinistic, we're not just provincial.
... is also laden with partisan horse shit!

Seth says
MR 2009-06-10 13:30:36 12074
seth 2009-06-10 13:20:21 12074
Hmmm ... so your excuse for repeating twisted words is that you found them on a blog?   But you still don't seem to get the point.  Ok, thanks to Michael Goldfarb's blog here is the text of the larger context ...
source: Evan Thomas via Michael Golfarb
Well, we were the good guys in 1984, it felt that way. It hasn't felt that way in recent years. So Obama’s had, really, a different task We're seen too often as the bad guys. And he " he has a very different job from " Reagan was all about America, and you talked about it. Obama is ‘we are above that now.’ We're not just parochial, we're not just chauvinistic, we're not just provincial. We stand for something " I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above " above the world, he’s sort of God.
... So the question is whether Thomas was trying to say "Obama is sort of a god".  I say clearly that he was not. I bolded the essence of his point.  Clearly he started to exaggerate after he stated his point.  In any case Evan is right, Obama appears to have more of a world view, than his  predicessor. Whether he was actually criticizing Obama for this is unclear for the small quote.  But go ahead, twist away ... i won't be trusting that you can see things straight on anyway. 
... sort of God & sort of a god attest to monotheistic vs polytheistic.  The quote was monotheistic. Why the comparison anyway? Why not say that Obama has a World point of view?  Why the reference to God.  Is Obama running for World president ?   MSNBC, the channel that brought us Chris Matthews & his thrill running up his pants thinking of Obama, is still drunk on da juice. Happy tripping!
You introduced the polytheistic version by your title, not me,not Thomas, and not 1995firefly4dr.  Mostly i'm re-quoting the dialogue just to fix the wierd characters that had cropped in ... i take it that your questions are just rhetorical.
Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-10 13:20:21 12074
Hmmm ... so your excuse for repeating twisted words is that you found them on a blog?   But you still don't seem to get the point.  Ok, thanks to Michael Goldfarb's blog here is the text of the larger context ...
source: Evan Thomas via Michael Golfarb
Well, we were the good guys in 1984, it felt that way. It hasn't felt that way in recent years. So Obama’s had, really, a different task We're seen too often as the bad guys. And he ��" he has a very different job from ��" Reagan was all about America, and you talked about it. Obama is ‘we are above that now.’ We're not just parochial, we're not just chauvinistic, we're not just provincial. We stand for something ��" I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above ��" above the world, he’s sort of God.
... So the question is whether Thomas was trying to say "Obama is sort of a god".  I say clearly that he was not. I bolded the essence of his point.  Clearly he started to exaggerate after he stated his point.  In any case Evan is right, Obama appears to have more of a world view, than his  predicessor. Whether he was actually criticizing Obama for this is unclear for the small quote.  But go ahead, twist away ... i won't be trusting that you can see things straight on anyway. 
... sort of God & sort of a god attest to monotheistic vs polytheistic.  The quote was monotheistic. Why the comparison anyway? Why not say that Obama has a World point of view?  Why the reference to God.  Is Obama running for World president ?   MSNBC, the channel that brought us Chris Matthews & his thrill running up his pants thinking of Obama, is still drunk on da juice. Happy tripping!
Mark de LA says
seth 2009-06-10 15:45:37 12074
In the same vein, God doesn't think he's Obama, but Obama thinks......

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