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In this regard we also get this "insight" from one of my trusted sources on the ME:
But the Supreme Leader is not a stupid man. So why did he glue himself to Ahmadinejad? Could it be he is worried about another very powerful clergyman who lives in the golden-domed city of Qom, a certain Ayatollah Yazdi who has long feted and praised the aforesaid Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? And is it possible – it is, by the way – that Ayatollah Yazdi would very much like to be the next Supreme Leader?
Good reason then for Khamenei to stand by the President who insisted a halo shone around his head when he addressed the UN.
Because the fundamental conflict in Iran is being fought not on the streets of Tehran – a mere tragic, brutal sideshow that could soon become a bloodbath – but beneath the cupolas and minarets and pale blue tiles of the mosques of Qom.
but we also have a free press & the right to assembly enshrined in the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution


"So long as we have enough people in this country willing to fight for their rights, we'll be called a democracy." - ACLU Founder Roger Baldwin


but we also have a free press & the right to assembly enshrined in the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution


"So long as we have enough people in this country willing to fight for their rights, we'll be called a democracy." - ACLU Founder Roger Baldwin
~btw, you left barbs in.
I don't see why Obama would have been surprised by the election protest, when even an uninformed person like myself was thinking about it ... too bad i didn't publish my thoughts in advance. Had Obama lost with widespread suspicion of election fraud, you would have seen similar protests in this country. It was a no brainer. It was even pretty easy to anticipate that Ahmadinejad would steal the election when there was a last minute surge of popularity of his primary opponent. But your right, if the regime successfuly supresses this uprising, then it does not bode well for any progress on the issue of nukes. On the other hand if the uprising continues to gain momentum, then we may have a dramatic change of government in Iran and that may be very promising. At the moment i cannot forsee anythying that running his mouth will accomplish, but let us hope that Obama is doing everything in his power behind the scenes to assist.








Good find on LiveLeak

In the name of God
People of Iran
These last days, we have witnessed the lively efforts of you, brothers and sisters, old and young alike, from every social category, for the 10th presidential elections.
Our youth, hoping to see their rightful will fulfilled, came on the scene and waited patiently. This was the greatest occasion for the government’s officials to bond with their people.
However, unfortunately, they used it in the worst way possible. Declaring results that no one in their right mind can believe, and despite all the evidence of crafted results, and contrary to the people’s protestations, in front of the eyes of the same nation who carried the weight of a revolution and 8 years of war, in front of the eyes of local and foreign reporters, attacked the children of the people with astonishing violence. And now they are attempting a purge, arresting intellectuals, political opponents and Scientists.
Now, based on my religious duties, I will remind you:
1- A legitimate state must respect all points of view. It may not oppress critical views. I fear that this will lead to the loss of people’s faith in Islam.
2- Given the current circumstances, I expect the government to take all measures to restore people’s confidence. Otherwise, as I have already said, a government not respecting the people’s vote has no religious or political legitimacy.
3- I invite everyone, especially the youth, to continue reclaiming their dues calmly, and not to allow those who want to associate this movement with chaos succeed.
4- I ask the police and army personnel not to “sell their religion”, and be aware that receiving orders will not excuse them before God. Recognize the protesting youth as your children. Today, censorship and cutting telecommunication lines can not hide the truth.
I pray for the greatness of the Iranian people.

Yep, I generalized. The edge I experience from liberals is more anti religious rather than pro secular. I will cite the ACLU as prime example & the removing of God from about everything governmental (even though God is relatively non-denominational). Liberals want values but find the politics of class & diversity more politically beneficial for gaining power.

Useful political analysis acknowledges the other side of the coin, rather than just ignoring it. That's what i find lacking in most of your analysis. You should learn from our president. He does acknowledge the other side.






It is one way of documenting the cloud. This newsfront has several piles with probably a many-to-many mapping. In this one where the front began is fairly clear as it was tied to a particular election in Iran.
I wonder who between the supreme leader & Montazeri is the most senior ayatollah.

This article might imply that his is not as anti-semitic as the current supreme leader. But this, from Wikipedia, might imply that he is not much better from a western point of view ...
Reputation:
Montazeri has been described by his allies as "brilliant," down-to-earth, unpretentious, plain spoken, and as one who "lives plainly, and equates Islam with social justice" and stays above political infighting. His detractors have portrayed him as stubborn and naive in his insistence that the Islamic republic find reconciliation with the "Hypocrites and Liberals" who are its "internal enemies."


LiveLeak has some disturbing videos from the streets in Iran. From the demonstrations one can almost assume that there is another revolution going on. I guess Iran is not as tightly controlled in the media area as the mullahs would like.


It is one way of documenting the cloud. This newsfront has several piles with probably a many-to-many mapping. In this one where the front began is fairly clear as it was tied to a particular election in Iran.
Yep, I generalized. The edge I experience from liberals is more anti religious rather than pro secular. I will cite the ACLU as prime example & the removing of God from about everything governmental (even though God is relatively non-denominational). Liberals want values but find the politics of class & diversity more politically beneficial for gaining power.

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The United States said Monday its invitations were still standing for Iranian diplomats to attend July 4 celebrations at US embassies despite the crackdown on opposition supporters.
President Barack Obama's administration said earlier this month it would invite Iran to US embassy barbecues for the national holiday for the first time since the two nations severed relations following the 1979 Islamic revolution.
"There's no thought to rescinding the invitations to Iranian diplomats," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters.
"We have made a strategic decision to engage on a number of fronts with Iran," Kelly said. "We tried many years of isolation, and we're pursuing a different path now."
... still ass kissing in the Middle East, eh?



Timeline of articles
Iran admits 50 cities had more votes than voters
Times Online - Jun 22, 2009 | |
Iran admits vote 'irregularities'
BBC News - 22 hours ago | |
Tips to Unravel the Complexities of Iran's Theocracy
FOXNews - 19 hours ago | |
Iran election annulment ruled out
BBC News - 6 hours ago | |

Prior to this month's disputed presidential election in Iran, the Obama administration sent a letter to the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, calling for an improvement in relations, according to interviews and the leader himself.
Ayatollah Khamenei confirmed the letter toward the end of a lengthy sermon last week, in which he accused the United States of fomenting protests in his country in the aftermath of the disputed June 12 presidential election.




Prior to this month's disputed presidential election in Iran, the Obama administration sent a letter to the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, calling for an improvement in relations, according to interviews and the leader himself.
Ayatollah Khamenei confirmed the letter toward the end of a lengthy sermon last week, in which he accused the United States of fomenting protests in his country in the aftermath of the disputed June 12 presidential election.

In this meeting, the following requests have been made by Ali Khamenei’s representatives:
1. The UK must stop its moral support for the protests and demonstrations in Iran.
2. BBC must stop or tone down its coverage of the election fallout and ensuing upheavals in Iran.
3. The UK must lift the freeze on $1.6 billion Iranian assets in Britain. These assets were frozen in Britain under international sanctions imposed over Tehran’s nuclear program on Thursday, June 18. According to our sources, the assets belong to the Supreme Leader’s son, Mojtaba Khamenei.
In return, Khamenei’s representatives have offered to assist the UK and the US, in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In particular, they have offered to stop supporting the Afghan rebel leader, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.














My question at this point is what responsibility does the rest of the World have in the face of theocracies which make up their own rules & then torture & kill their subjects to remain in power?

And here is the Google timeline on how they want to prosecute their opponents.

Top Iranian general: Let's prosecute opposition leaders
6 hours ago - CNN International | |
Iran judiciary looks to calm prison abuse outrage
19 hours ago - The Associated Press | |
ANALYSIS-Iran hardliners take gloves off against opponents
Aug 9, 2009 - Reuters |




It actually might be interesting to track this and see which side demonstrates the greater hate. Does the side which demonstrates the greater hate actually win ?

It actually might be interesting to track this and see which side demonstrates the greater hate. Does the side which demonstrates the greater hate actually win ?

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