Is this really the kind of political dialogue we want in this country?

But these Drudge headlines don't mention that these disruptions are known to be an organized effort.  They are not some kind of spontaneous grass roots movement.  So here we see Drudge, which purports to deliver news, being instead a tool of the right wing to organize mob rule and disrupt level headed political dialogue.
source: Rocking the Town Halls -- Best Practices  memo 
"Be disruptive early and often. You need to rock the boat early in the rep’s presentation. Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep's statements early.  If he blames Bush for something or offers other excuses -- call him on it, yell back and have someone else tallow-up with a shout-out. Don't carryon and make a scene - just short intemlittent shout outs. The purpose is to make him uneasy early on and set the tone for the hall as clearly infonnal, and free-wheeling. It will also embolden others who agree with us to call out and challenge with tough questions. The goal is to rattle him…stand up and shout out. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions."

Is this really the kind of political dialogue we want in this country?


Steven Pearlstei says it more eloquently than i can: The recent attacks by Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers on the effort to reform the health-care system have been so misleading, so disingenuous, that they could only spring from a cynical effort to gain partisan political advantage. By poisoning the political well, they've given up any pretense of being the loyal opposition. They've become political terrorists, willing to say or do anything to prevent the country from reaching a consensus on one of its most serious domestic problems.

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Comments


Seth says
Here is an excellent example of web technology pushing back with  selective spending against a  "radical wingnut entertainer".

Seth says
Here is another example of groups deceiving the public about Obama's health care ...
source: Bloomberg

Aug. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Representative Tom Perriello said he was approached by two senior citizens who were trembling with fear. The source of their terror, he said, was their belief that President Barack Obama supports euthanasia for the elderly.

The Virginia Democrat said the two constituents were clutching a leaflet from a religious group that purported to be a copy of Obama’s health-care plan. It claimed the overhaul “would pull the plug and decide a 24-year-old’s life was important and that an 85-year-old’s wasn’t,” Perriello said.

 Conservative should come out against this kind of political behavior. 

Seth says
And finally we get the twister in chief, Rush Limburger, claiming similarity where none exists, see for yourself  ... ... this is not conversation, this is not even entertainment, this is just pain that people must endure to have free speech in this country.  No hyperlink to you, Mr twister in chief.




Seth says
Steven Pearlstein expresses my point most eloquently ...
source: Steven Pearlstein writes Republicans Propagating Falsehoods in Attacks on Health-Care Reform in the Washington Post

The recent attacks by Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers on the effort to reform the health-care system have been so misleading, so disingenuous, that they could only spring from a cynical effort to gain partisan political advantage. By poisoning the political well, they've given up any pretense of being the loyal opposition. They've become political terrorists, willing to say or do anything to prevent the country from reaching a consensus on one of its most serious domestic problems.
...

Seth says
source:  The WH responds ...

Asked about the breakout of boisterous and occasionally violent protests at Democratic town hall events throughout the country, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs declared that the demonstrators were showing less civility and manners than his six-year-old daughter.

"Behave yourselves like your mom would probably tell you to do," Gibbs said when asked what piece of advice he would give to the demonstrators.

But it wasn't all fun and games for the Obama spokesman. Pressed on the analogies between Obama and Hitler that conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh made during Thursday's program, Gibbs' voice turned stern.

"I know the president feels strongly that we can discuss these issues without personally maligning... that we are doing so in a way that respects the dignity of each individual," he said. "I think anytime you make references to what happened in Germany in the 30's and 40's, I think you are talking about an event that has no equivalent. And I think anytime anyone ventures to compare anything to that, they are on thin ice, and it is best not employed."

"But I think what the most important thing is, is that we can have a discussion in our democracy about where we want to go," he added. "The president strongly believes we can do so without yelling at each other, pushing at each other or degrading each other. We have seen some stuff, I mentioned it a week ago, we have all seen imagery that just shocks and surprises us and I think the best thing to do is just take that temperature down a bit."

I agree.  There are legitimate concerns that need to be discussed; but shouting, and twisting the facts will not help.  It is time for even those who are fighting Obamacare to stand up and reject tactics which are working against level headed consideration of the issues.  

Seth says
And here we have evidence that the "political terrorism" is working oppositely ...
source: TAMPA Bay online [emphasis mine]

U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, the focus of tumultuous reaction at a town hall meeting Thursday night, said in an interview this morning that the event has strengthened her conviction to support health care reform.

"It has strengthened my resolve to stand up for families and seniors," Castor said. "Floridians are bearing a great burden in health care costs, more than almost any other state."

"A healthy debate is good, but the rude behavior is not helpful," she said. "I think it backfires. The response we're receiving today is pretty overwhelming to speak up for families and bring down the cost of health care."

Castor said her office is receiving "hundreds" of calls and e-mails in support of her stand.

Asked about whether she considers the protests at the event Thursday night to be a genuine expression of grassroots opposition or, as some Democrats have charged, manufactured by opponents, Castor didn't respond directly.

"Anyone's welcome to attend a community event, and I welcome a healthy debate," she said.

Prior to the event Thursday, she had told reporters she considered some of the protests erupting at town hall forums on the topic to be genuine and some to be the result of political organizing inspired by health insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Castor said broadcast commentators Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck had both mentioned the Tampa event on their shows, urging listeners or viewers to attend.

Castor also said she's sure the reform bill will pass: "We're going to fight through the naysayers [and pass the bill], and it will not add to the deficit."
Another opposite effect is that i'm so mad that this kind of tactic is being self righteously introduced in our body politics, that i am personally going to get involved in analyzing and working to reform health insurance.  If for no other reason than to prove that this kind of political tactic will backfire in this country.

Seth says
MR 2009-08-07 13:58:10 12338
Reminds me of some of your anti-war, code-pink ugly Americans on the left who didn't like Bush & who even protested at the funerals of Americans coming back from the Gulf wars & Iraq. Yep, and this is only healthcare.  How soon will they start protesting the killing in Afganistan war that Obama is NOW LOSING! Where are the daily body counts?

I'm not talking about protest and demonstrations.  I am talking about disrupting the town hall meetings.  That is something that is somewhat new to the political scene.  Also Russ's, and Beck's using outrageous characterizations.  There is something basically unhealthy about that kind of political behavior.  If you can't comment on that issue alone, then don't comment on this item.  Answer the red question that i have raised her: Is this really the kind of political dialogue we want in this country?  Don't change the subject.


Btw, the other side sending in union thugs is just as bad ... the one does not justify the other.

Seth says
MR 2009-08-07 17:58:37 [item 12338]
I'm no more worried about people like you show in the body of this item than you are worried about Union Thugs & Black Panthers with billy clubs at polling places who get off because of Obama justice. Your protestations are as crocodile tears - unbelievable.  You have no new ideas anyway. Go recycle the old ones and think you have actually done something.
You did exactly what i warned you against doing, you complained about the Union thugs ... you playd the bankrupt so's your mother card ... you ignored the point, and changed the subject adding nothing of substance yourself to the dialogue.  Your comment is a worthless parody of the worst aspects of the current political turmoil.  You, and people like you, are what is wrong with American politics today!

Seth says
Drudge projects the picture below on their front page today.  Now i happened to have watched that  event happen on CNN's live.  The caption should have read "The irrational anger of some Americans".  That man should be shamed for his behavior, not shown off as a example of American reaction.



Seth says
Sorry i think i just deleted a MR post in error.  If it has any value, then please repost.

Seth says
Those people who encourage or condone this kind of shit will be partially responsible for the consequences ...



Seth says
... but this one is funny 



Seth says
seth 2009-08-12 12:28:34 12338
Here is an excellent example of web technology pushing back with  selective spending against a  "radical wingnut entertainer".
And just in case you don't grock what is going on, below is a sample of the front page of reddit which has a 7/10 rating from Google (Speaktome is 5/10).  It may well turn out that these advertisers will be getting more bang for their buck by pulling their ads for Beck.

I wonder how long they are going to stay up there.  How many click throughs? 





Seth says
MR 2009-08-12 15:58:53 12338
Well, I don't much give a shit at this point.  You have answered none of my concerns. You have spoken as if you are an Obama zombie political hack.  You have provided no new solutions. And you are just firing for effect without reason and only purpose must be the RWG.  I really don't think there is anything left to talk with you about on this subject or in general about Obama.  I will refrain from posting on your items & will edit out those of yours on mine. Yours will be just like the Daily KOS for me, an amusement to read occasionally, but nothing worth subscribing to. I will continue to expose the Hellthcare boondoggle for what it is at my leasure - too much other shit to deal with right now.
Right-wingy ~ Left-wingy who gives a shit?
This item is here improve my awareness of the nature of the opposition to the health care debate.  It obviously does not deal with rational debate about it.  Certainly there are legitimate concerns, but they are not being brought up by the subjects of this item.  As usual, if you do have legitimate concerns, i will lend a hand in researching them, but do not expect me to refute the imaginings of the "deathers" or "birthers" ... on that i agree, too much shit to deal with.

Seth says
I think this illustrates the point adequately ...




Seth says
ThanksThe Week ...



Mark de LA says
With moveon.org in the mix apparently biting off a finger is in your political dialogue!


Seth says
source: MR above
With moveon.org in the mix apparently biting off a finger is in your political dialogue!
An eye witness with pictures furnished to the police has a different reaction ...
source: Karoli of drumsnwhistles.com : Provocation to violent response

What I won’t do: I won’t publish the pictures I took of the confrontation. I didn’t capture anything other than the people in various states of verbal confrontation, and I have turned those over to the police. Because they are investigating, I won’t compromise it by publishing those pictures unless and until they give me permission. I will, however, publish my other photos which will include some taken before this incident occurred.

There were around 150 supporters of health care reform present on the northeast corner of Lynn Road and Hillcrest in Thousand Oaks. I was one of them. To get to that corner, we had to park in the Oaks Mall parking lot, walk to the light, cross a small thruway and then cross Hillcrest, which is a very large street.[photo here looking across to those opposed, posted in real time before the incident].

In order to get from the parking lot to the vigil, we were required to walk through the group of people opposed to health care reform. As you can see in the photo, they were originally staged right before the crosswalk to the thruway, so there was no way to avoid walking through their group.

The mood on our side of the street was passionate, happy, and dedicated. There were no violent words spoken. For the most part, we were supported loudly by passers-by, who honked their horns and waved their support. When someone passed by who disagreed, we actually had conversations with them while they waited for the light.

To be clear here: There were no threats, no dark moods, and there was no mob. I repeat, there was no mob. We were peaceful people holding candles and signs.

One petite woman was also handing out single payer flyers. She was passionate about it, but not rude, not mean, always smiled, and simply offered the flyer. At some point, she crossed back over (she may have run out of her flyer supply. I don’t know for sure. But she was not in any way confrontational.)

All of a sudden, I saw a very tall man in an orange shirt (yes, he is in the photo I linked you to) confront her, verbally at first. Her back was to the thruway, and he was shooing her, approaching her, speaking to her in a very aggressive fashion (observation from body language only) and waving his arms in a shooing motion. With each step she took back, he took one forward, shooing her more. From where I was, it appeared as though he were telling her to get on her own side of the street, and backing it up with a very clear physical threat. Even from where I stood, it chilled me. I pointed it out to others and called out for anyone with a video camera to aim it over there. (I had a small Nikon cam with me that does video, but it would have been useless in that light.)

Ultimately, she did cross the street and come back over to our side.

Several minutes later, there was another altercation. My best recollection is that this man saw what happened to the woman and reacted to it. I cannot say with certainty where he was when he saw it — he may have arrived and was navigating his way through that group, or he may have crossed the street to defend her. He was confronted by the same man. I could tell from where I was that the man was belligerent, angry, and confrontational.

The man in the orange shirt hit the pro-reform guy (I’m going to call him PR Guy just to keep the players straight). Hard. ( tweeted in real time) He punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground and into that thruway. As you can see from the photo, cars drive straight through that without stopping. The pro-reform guy could have been run over. He got up, tried to get back up on the curb, but Orange Shirt guy was in his face. Finger in his face, PR Guy standing, steps up to the curb, and there’s a scuffle. Orange shirt seemed to have PR Guy in a hold, but again, I was across the street, so won’t state that as absolute fact. Next thing I see is PR Guy’s hat being tossed into the street, both yelling at one another, then Orange shirt walks away, PR Guy picks up hat and crosses to our side.

When he gets to our side, he tells a story in one sentence: “He punched me hard, straight in the face, so I bit his finger off.”

Honestly, I thought he was exaggerating. I guess he wasn’t.

I’ve given this report to the police along with my photos. I am not heralding anyone as a hero here. I certainly do not celebrate the idea of anyone biting anyone else, no matter what the reason. However, there is no question that Orange Shirt guy was aching to fight, was willing to pick a fight, and certainly didn’t care who he fought with. He chose people who were shorter than he, and he used his voice, his body, his body language and his height to intimidate them.

Don’t be fooled by reports ginning up sympathy for that 65-year old guy or worse yet, reports characterizing him as a senior citizen. He was aggressive and ready to mix it up.

I’ll tell you more about the other hour and 15 minutes of peace, wonderful people, and stories in another post. This one is for the benefit of those who might want to hear a different side of what is sure to hit the air as a one-sided story of liberals gone wild. There were no liberals gone wild, nor were there hordes of conservatives behaving badly. There were 9 or 10 people on one corner, 150-200 on the other, and two men who, regardless of their politics, behaved quite badly.

Update: LA Times has it a bit wrong. So does KTLA.
... reproduced here in its entirety because the site is understandably overloaded at the moment.



Mark de LA says
Another side of the story with the pertinent fact:
MKH: ...

The alleged crime is a serious one:

"It's considered a mayhem which is the removal of an appendage from a human," said Norris of the Ventura County Sheriff's Department. "The crime is punishable by imprisonment for 2, 4, or 8 years."

ibid: ...

Scott Bush, an Obama critic who was standing next to Rice when the incident happened, said critics and supporters of Obama had had face-to-face, calm debates throughout the night without incident until the suspect in the biting crossed the street to confront critics. Of Rice's behavior, he said:

"He didn't even have a sign. He was just there to be a part of things. He's a nice man."

The suspect yelled at the group, "Are you for the public option?" When the crowd answered, "no," Bush said he singled out Rice, one of the smaller men in the group, coming at him and yelling, "You're an idiot, you're an idiot!"

"I don’t think he had any intentions whatsoever of talking," said Rice, who "popped him in the nose" when he got close to his face.

Bush called Rice's move "defensive." Bush said the incident became a scuffle, the public-option supporter pulled Rice into the street, and it was over very quickly after that. During the struggle, Rice said his finger ended up in the suspect's mouth, and it was bitten off.

"William grabbed his hand and said, 'Oh, he bit my finger off," Bush said. "It was clear that the end of his finger was bitten off. It was a stump."


...
...


Seth says
MR 2009-09-03 14:32:00 12338
Hopefully it will go to court where more evidence other than provided by moveon.org people might show up. It reminds me of a particular altercation you & I had in a sushi bar in Venice.
Now would biting your finger off have been the appropriate response to your punching me in the face?

Well punching you in the face was a natural reaction to you sticking you finger up my nostril considering that both of us were soused out of our gourds on Saki.  Denise still chuckles about the description i gave her. She wonders what i would do to her if she stuck her finger up my nose.  I'd probably say "O babe" ... after all that would be called intimacy.   But my advise to those who oppose health reform is: Don't stick you finger in somebody's face if you don't want it bitten off.  I may go to a rally myself tonight ... pictures at 11.

Mark de LA says
This kinda crisps it up!


Mark de LA says
seth 2009-10-21 08:33:06 12338
M 2009-10-20 15:10:33 12338
seth 2009-10-20 14:39:03 12338
 This is simply responsible principals of triage.  It has nothing to do with the "deathers" complaint about Obamacare.  If you want a reasonable discussion of health care rationing, please don't confuse the issue with triage decisions.  Those hard decisions must always be made. 
You overload the current system with 28 million more people to service & Obamacare or Sethcare will have to face triage; responsible or otherwise. Right now the market & insurance companies do the job. If you upload it to bureaucrats then they will create what the "deathers" raised a stink about. If you put the screws on reimbursement to hospitals & doctors then they will begin to act like bureaucrats & the same results will obtain with you & BHO putting a red ribbon on it & dressing it up like chocolate pussy.

Yep that is the fear which you have bought into.   But it need not go down that way.  Nor, as has been acknowledged, is that in this legislation.  My suggestion for you and the politicians obstructing improvement to the health care delivery system in America, is to rationally and effectively engage in the conversation such that what you fear does not happen, and so that the current unfair rationing is stopped.
Logic eludes you severely. More people in system = less resources per capita. More people paying more means they will also go more often (might as well use it because I'm paying for it anyway!); no increase in doctors, hospitals etc. means a bigger stress on the system. Rationing will occur whether it ends up like the Florida pandemic scenario or drop in coverage for certain things.  Nothing in any bill yet reduces the cost of health care, in fact the latest headlines put the cost at slightly less than $900,000,000 for 10 years.  That amount in fact has to come from someone probably your grandchildren if you have any.  Watch how the legislation is made - it's a shell game!  BTW, it amazes me that when you have a Congress & the president all of one party they can make laws & programs that last well beyond their terms in office.  Congress in particular can spend so much that it indentures generations to slavery for the state. Thus was social security, medicare & all the programs which pre-spend most of the government budget today.
 

Seth says
M 2009-10-20 15:10:33 12338
seth 2009-10-20 14:39:03 12338
 This is simply responsible principals of triage.  It has nothing to do with the "deathers" complaint about Obamacare.  If you want a reasonable discussion of health care rationing, please don't confuse the issue with triage decisions.  Those hard decisions must always be made. 
You overload the current system with 28 million more people to service & Obamacare or Sethcare will have to face triage; responsible or otherwise. Right now the market & insurance companies do the job. If you upload it to bureaucrats then they will create what the "deathers" raised a stink about. If you put the screws on reimbursement to hospitals & doctors then they will begin to act like bureaucrats & the same results will obtain with you & BHO putting a red ribbon on it & dressing it up like chocolate pussy.

Yep that is the fear which you have bought into.   But it need not go down that way.  Nor, as has been acknowledged, is that in this legislation.  My suggestion for you and the politicians obstructing improvement to the health care delivery system in America, is to rationally and effectively engage in the conversation such that what you fear does not happen, and so that the current unfair rationing is stopped.

Seth says
M 2009-10-20 12:49:36 12338
seth 2009-10-20 12:42:16 12338
M 2009-10-20 12:33:04 12338
seth 2009-10-20 12:17:25 12338
M 2009-10-20 11:04:28 12338
"Deathers" apparently not so far out of line as rationing surfaces in Florida (where else?)

source: ... Florida health officials are drawing up guidelines that recommend barring patients with incurable cancer, end-stage multiple sclerosis and other conditions from being admitted to hospitals if the state is overwhelmed by flu cases.

...
In emergencies prioritizing of resources is always a good idea.
Yep, toss the old people out in favor of the young & productive.  This is what the "deathers" were complaining about.  Without increasing the facilities, doctors & equipment Obamacare is doing nothing except adding to the burden. With more people using the system because "they are paying for it" the system will get overwhelmed on it's own; pig flu notwithstanding. Rationing will becoming to a city near you soon! This article explains that the numbers of uninsured has been inflated. Go figure! s/b ~ 28 million.

But, MR, your bolded statement does not correctly characterize what the Florida health guidelines were specifying.  Nor does your characterization apply to "Obamacare".  Twisting the facts adds nothing to our awareness.
Your statement contains no documented truth either!
False!  It is documented right in this train of dialogue:  "guidelines that recommend barring patients with incurable cancer, end-stage multiple sclerosis and other conditions from being admitted to hospitals if the state is overwhelmed by flu cases" is not correctly characterized by "toss the old people out in favor of the young & productive. "  In the interest of focus i deleted your other comments unrelated to this thread.

Mark de LA says
If
source: ... False!  It is documented right in this train of dialogue:  "guidelines that recommend barring patients with incurable cancer, end-stage multiple sclerosis and other conditions from being admitted to hospitals if the state is overwhelmed by flu cases" is not correctly characterized by "toss the old people out in favor of the young & productive. "  In the interest of focus i deleted your other comments unrelated to this thread.
... then why bar the patients from coming in in the first place?  They deserve as much help getting well as any other patient.  You are a literalist when it serves your purposes and a hope & change generalist sieve that would believe anything after the kool-aid is chilled & the circus begins.


Mark de LA says
Here is another explanation of what the triage process may end up looking like.
ibid: ...

* Slash hundreds of billions from Medicare spending, largely by lowering reimbursement rates to doctors and hospitals for patient care.

If a hospital gets less money for each MRI, it will do fewer of them. If a surgeon gets paid less for a heart bypass on a Medicare patient, he’ll perform them more rarely. These facts of the marketplace are not only inevitable consequences of Obama’s cuts but are also its intended consequence. Without them, his savings will prove illusory.

... The Baucus bill forbds QALY triage notions, but what winds up in the bill & what Pelosi puts back in the behind the closed door sessions of reconciliation remains to be seen. Metrics produced by bureaucrats instead of doctors dealing directly with patients will yield the same kind of results.

Mark de LA says
WSJ US Health Costs Seen Rising 2.1% Under House Bill

A House Democratic aide noted that the HHS actuaries didn't take into account changes to the Medicare program in that assessment. The aide said that such changes--including cuts to the Medicare Advantage program and recommendations for overhauling Medicare's payment system--would have a greater impact on slowing cost growth than wellness programs or administrative simplifications.

The aide said it shouldn't be surprising that overall health spending would go up under the bill. "Nobody has ever tried to claim that we can bring 35 million more people into the system, and not spend more to do it," the aide said.

... when it's all said & done your individual costs won't go down either!

Mark de LA says
Seth (above): ...
Yep that is the fear which you have bought into.   But it need not go down that way.  Nor, as has been acknowledged, is that in this legislation.  My suggestion for you and the politicians obstructing improvement to the health care delivery system in America, is to rationally and effectively engage in the conversation such that what you fear does not happen, and so that the current unfair rationing is stopped.
... you keep emphasizing fear as if I had it.  I do not. It is more like a gut-wrenching disgust in my bowels about what is happening to my country.  Try using some of your other progressive tactics that the Obami & the white house use to discredit those who oppose your programs.
source: ... The three things they continually use in disparaging any dissent are that those involved are: "wrong thinking"; the ideas presented are a "danger"; or that those opposed are simply in it for "profit." Meanwhile, their goals are always right, their methods safe and healthy and their motivation pure, enlightened and for the betterment of humankind and Mother Earth.
...



Mark de LA says
Is this really the kind of political process we want in this country?

Unions are apparently exempt from taxes on their health care so-called cadillac policies.

Mark de LA says
Paul Ryan: This entire process has been a disgrace
source: ... Eight minutes from this afternoon’s Budget Committee charade, at which the “shell bill” was duly passed and sent to Madam Speaker so that she can start adding all the happy little backroom deals she’s making with wavering Democrats to get to 216. I’m paraphrasing when I call it a “disgrace,” but only very slightly: This is an attack on both the process of the bill and the substance, with fiscal minutiae set in a broader ideological context (note the bit about the dependency culture around four minutes in). My hunch is that Pelosi’s going to abandon the Slaughter strategy in the end as there’s already enough anxiety among fencesitters about public perceptions of dealmaking that they won’t want to compound it with a dubious procedural move. But for now, everything’s on the table
...well, is this the way we want our government spending & bills written???
When you have the will of the people vs the will of Obama, Pelosi & Reed, et al. then you are likely to get angry crowds.

Mark de LA says
a sign of the times reaction to the tea parties by one side of the dialog as summarized in a cartoon:

Even the race card
is less of a trump card
than it used to be!

Seth says
https://twitter.com/borowitzreport/status/24131476429737984

Seth says
Seth 2011-01-09 07:58:13 12338
https://twitter.com/borowitzreport/status/24131476429737984

“@BorowitzReport: Hey, Tea Party: You know what goes great with tea? Anti-psychotic meds.”

C says
Yeah, for both sides. I have already predicted the psycho-liberals would use this as an excuse to rail against the tea parties who whipped their asses in the last election. Have at it. Just like Bill Clinton blamed Oklahoma City bombing on talk radio & rush limbaugh & the vast right-wing conspiracy!


Seth says
Im not into all that inevitable blame game either. But I still laughed when I read the tweet.

Seth says
C 2011-01-09 14:54:07 12338
Apparently my predictions were spot on.
Pima County Sheriff Sets Off Debate on Price of Free Speech: ...

"This is a terrible politicization of a tragedy," former Palin aide Rebecca Monsour told the newspaper. "We don't know (the shooter's) motive. It doesn't seem like he was motivated by a political ideology. Craziness is not an ideology."


... The whole article seems to show those who know nothing about this guy's motives (except that he liked Karl Marx & Adolf Hitler if his website is really his) are ascribing them to opposing parties, Sarah Palin & the Tea Parties. It is an interesting read.  I notices yesterday as I watched the sheriff's briefing that he had an unusual axe to grind while most of the rest of the people giving status merely stated what they knew & could say officially.

Apparently the sheriff is concerned with the tenor of political dialogue and how it may be contributing to violence against which he is charged with defending the citizens of his county.  Perhaps he is just using this event as a opportunity to call that to the attention of politicians.  It is hard for me to judge him harshly for that.

U says
He's one of the few who started being political. It will be interesting when all the dust has settled to see if anyone reported to his office anything on the perp before the perp set off the tragedy.  What role, if any, did he have in investigating the perp before now.


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