14 + Reasons why HR3200+ should be DOA (NOW HR3962)

  1. Obama to raise 10-year deficit to $9 trillion - We can't afford it in a recession - 2+ trillion on his watch. The performance of his stimulus is not proven.
  2. Forcing people to have insurance or fining them is not helpful - who is going to be better off? Leveling off so that everyone is equally miserable is not the American way - is the communist way.  There is no authority to do any of this in the Constitution.
  3. No Tort Reform
  4. No proposal to do no fault insurance - see this
  5. Bureaucracy without payoff- most changes in increasing employment have resulted in more government employees . Overhead increases the cost to all.
  6. Specific things like death counseling & abortion must be prohibited explicitly not shoved off into other bills or to the states.
  7. It is being rushed through Congress like a con game in a huge bill with the possibility of payoffs to political cronies for votes just like the stimulus bill & the Cap & trade bill.
  8. No mention of intentions to build more hospitals & create more doctors & physician assistants & nurses
  9. Nothing economically sound in the arguments to pass the bill that would provide that health care costs will go down. It is not means tested. Most places like Massachusetts & Canada do not like their socialized medicine.
  10. The Devil is in the details. Even though what is passed may become a law & we are used to the law being very detailed language that specifies what must be done - this is not that kind of law.  It will be turned into a bureaucracy with procedures which may or not correspond to things we like or the benefits Obama runs around the country touting. What's to say that a public option gets passed & it turns out that the uninsured today sign up for it & it goes broke quickly (line the cash for clunkers program). Then what happens - a new must pass quickly tax? A loud OOPS! followed by a crisis scramble for more taxes, perhaps raising the premiums on everyone's private plans to make up the difference? or merely heavy rationing to make it up?
  11. Large centralized databases & your IRS data without assurances of privacy available to Health Choices Commissioner - Section 431(a) & Section 245(b)(2)(A) says the IRS must divulge tax return details -- there's no specified limit on what's available or unavailable -- to the Health Choices Commissioner. The purpose, again, is to verify "affordability credits."
  12. Money & taxes collected must be restricted to be spent upon health care only & not just revert to the general fund! Current bill has no such restrictions.
  13. (NEW)Under President Obama's health care bill, federal subsides to help low- and middle-income households to pay for health insurance won't start flowing until 2013, but Medicare cuts and a sizable chunk of the tax increases to pay for the overhaul kick in immediately. Again I ask why the hurry is it just that the American public is catching up on the boondoggle to quickly with the Internet in play?
  14. (NEW)A new Rasmussen poll suggests that the task now is to educate the public about the Senate Democrats’ health-care legislation--to show that it's a tax hike dressed in a lab coat,” and in particular that it’s a middle-class tax hike masquerading as middle-class-friendly health reform. If the tax hikes in the Baucus bill are brought front and center, the legislation will face big problems: (see rest of article).


  1. obamacare
  2. item 12448


Mark de LA says
WaPost: ...

The new deficit numbers make it even more urgent that any health-care reform not only be fully paid for and certifiably budget-neutral in the eyes of independent analysts such as the CBO but also promise meaningful reductions in the cost growth of health care. So far, none of the plans under discussion measure up. The time is fast approaching for the president and Congress to face that reality, too.

ibid: ...  Instead of a cumulative $7.1 trillion deficit over the next decade, the White House now projects a $9 trillion deficit. These figures imply average annual budget deficits greater than 4 percent of gross domestic product through fiscal 2019, a rate of debt accumulation faster than projected GDP growth.
 Now in the context of that I like this picture I found while looking for how much social security was expected to cost when it was originally created vs how much it costs now. According to this article Social Security and Medicare Will Cost More Than The Value Of Everything In The United States
SO....Fuck ALL Y'ALL!  for the terrible mess & the slavery to debt that you assholes have created!

Mark de LA says
Charles Krauthammer has a way out of Obama's Hellcare that sires a new bill which :
NRO: ... (1) Forget the public option. Whatever the merits, and they are few, it is political poison. It dies by the Liasson Logic, the unassailable observation by NPR’s Mara Liasson that there are no liberal Democrats who will lose their seats if the public option is left out, while there are many moderate Democrats who could lose their seats if the public option is included.

(2) Jettison any reference to end-of-life counseling. People see (correctly) such Medicare-paid advice as subtle encouragement to voluntarily refuse treatment. People don’t want government involvement in a process they consider the private province of patient, family, and doctor. The Senate is already dropping it. The House must follow.

(3) Soft-pedal the idea of government committees determining “best practices.” President Obama’s Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research was sold as simply government helping doctors choose the best treatments. But there are dozens of medical journal review articles that do just that. The real purpose of the FCCCER is ultimately to establish official criteria for denying reimbursement to less favored (because presumably less effective) treatments — precisely the triage done by the NICE committee in Britain, the Orwellian body that once blocked access to a certain expensive anti-blindness drug until you went blind in one eye.

(4) More generally, abandon the whole idea of Obamacare as cost-cutting. True, it was Obama’s original rationale for creating a whole new entitlement at a time of a sinking economy and a bankrupt Treasury. But, as many universal-health-care liberals complain, selling pain is poor salesmanship.

(5) Promise nothing but pleasure — for now. Make health insurance universal and permanently protected. Tear up the existing bills and write a clean one — Obamacare 2.0 — promulgating draconian health-insurance regulation that prohibits (a) denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, (b) dropping coverage if the client gets sick, and (c) capping insurance company reimbursement.

What’s not to like? If you have insurance, you’ll never lose it. Nor will your children ever be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.

...read the rest...

Mark de LA says
Thoughts on rationing or whatever euphemism the administration might come up with in the light of the post mortem of Ted Kennedy:
NYT: ...

These days, with a focus on controlling health care costs, it might seem that limiting patients’ options and restricting treatments that add maybe a few months of life might be a good place to start. But health economists say that would be a terrible idea.

“We are all in favor of eliminating waste,” said Mark Pauly, a professor of health care management at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. “But when it’s your life that’s on the line, you tend to behave quite differently.”

“The economist in me says, If you want to save money, this is probably a good place to take it from,” Dr. Pauly said. “The human being in me says, I don’t want to do it.”


Mark de LA says
Although Obama's campaign speeches implied that health care reform was intended to lower the cost of health care nobody really believes that anything on the table will do that & a large majority believe costs will go up.  Two glaring issues that, if reformed, would help lower the cost are tort reform & allowing insurance to cross state lines.  Neither is in the current bill. They are unlikely to show up due to Congress being sponsored by such industries. A good analysis is provided here & in the links.
Source: ...

The most important single step we can take toward truly reforming our system is to move away from comprehensive health insurance as the single model for financing care. And a guiding principle of any reform should be to put the consumer, not the insurer or the government, at the center of the system. I believe if the government took on the goal of better supporting consumers—by bringing greater transparency and competition to the health-care industry, and by directly subsidizing those who can’t afford care—we’d find that consumers could buy much more of their care directly than we might initially think, and that over time we’d see better care and better service, at lower cost, as a result.

... insurance analysis of monopolies by govt are analyzed here.

Mark de LA says
Politico via TWS ...

Politico reports on the consequences of not paying the $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance under Obamacare:

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."

...just how is this making health care cheaper to us?

Mark de LA says
Source: ...

As 60 Minutes reported last week, Medicare fraud is rampant and has now replaced the cocaine (ahem) business as the major criminal activity in South Florida. Both 60 Minutes and the Washington Post report that Medicare fraud now costs American taxpayers roughly $60 billion a year. That may sound like a lot of money, but surely it pales next to the extraordinary profits of private insurance companies, right?

Well, let's see.... Last year, the profits of the ten largest insurance companies in America were just over $8 billion -- combined. No single insurance company made even five percent of what Medicare reportedly loses in fraud.

...I wonder what kind of opportunities exist in a 1.2 trillion$$$ bill which is so confusing that just about anyone could find an opportunity to commit fraud.  The next time you have the urge to demonize the insurance industries profit how about demonizing the government first! Next notice that the trial lawyers are protected in section 2531!

Mark de LA says
The Drudge headlines on the release of the 1990 page bill from the House of Representatives:

HALLOWEEN: House Dems unveil health bill; Millionaire Tax...
Pelosi's biggest one yet! 1,990 pages...
Bill ceremony closed to public...
VIDEO: 'You're not authorized per the Speaker's staff'...
MORE: 'You have to be on the RSVP list'....
 Now I wonder how many will read it before voting on it ?

Mark de LA says
M 2009-10-30 09:09:42 12450
M 2009-10-29 20:30:32 12450
Source: ... The House health care bill unveiled Thursday clocks in at 1,990 pages and about 400,000 words. With an estimated 10-year cost of $894 billion, that comes out to about $2.24 million per word. .

I think the bill morphed to HR3962 & the NYTimes has an interesting conversation blog on it here
So far Thomas (LoC) and Govtrack don't have it yet but the NYTimes has it here.

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