Health Care Reform Rally in Seattle

Well this event did not get much, if any, local media coverage but it was the big event in downtown Seattle Thursday night September 3rd.  There was an enthusiastic crowd of health care reform supporters which one source estimated at 3000.  Across the street were about 20 opposed.  One rude guy with a bull horn tried to shout over the speeches on the podium.  For the most part he was ignored but a few people shouted to "shut the fuck up" from across the street.  I got some videos, but none of them were as good as this one I found on youtube.   I embedded a slide show of my pictures from my album below. 
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Seth says
The last picture in my album was  taken with this surveillance Pen Camera.  It also took just about as good videos as my Fuji camera; but the sound was distorting because I was too close to the speakers. The Pen Camera is better at picking up quiet talking that loud shouting.  The next to last picture is the rude guy with the bull horn.

Seth says

Ok i found the sign buried in my pictures: It's not complicated, NO PUBLIC OPTION NO RE-ELECTION.  Certainly hits home how serious people are about the public option.

Another one i just noticed was: Seniors have a public option, we want one too.  That's an argument i haven't heard yet.  It underlies the fact that if you don't get health insurance from your job, it is extremely difficult to afford.  Last time i looked it would have been over $1,000 per month. 

Seth says
MR 2009-09-06 08:15:27 12545
The date on your image is very old did you have to wait in line 29 years to attend the rally?
What did you learn about anything at the rally?
Check out 12556 for how to set the time on the pen surveillance camera.

The biggest thing i learned was that the media didn't cover it not withstanding that they had their trucks there taking videos.  The story is still absent from any of the local online news papers. I saw one broadcast report Thursday night on channel 13, the local foxnews affiliate.  Only problem there was they ignored the big enthusiastic crowd and  showed only footage from the small opposition across the street .... nor did they even mention the rude guy with the megaphone. 

There were many signs in the crowd supporting the public option.  The one that stands out in my mind said something like: It's simple, no public option, no re-election.  That was a hand made sign, but most of the signs were mass printed by the promoters of the event. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-09-06 10:31:05 12545

Ok i found the sign buried in my pictures: It's not complicated, NO PUBLIC OPTION NO RE-ELECTION.  Certainly hits home how serious people are about the public option.

Another one i just noticed was: Seniors have a public option, we want one too.  That's an argument i haven't heard yet.  It underlies the fact that if you don't get health insurance from your job, it is extremely difficult to afford.  Last time i looked it would have been over $1,000 per month. 

There is also a large demography that says PUBLIC OPTION => NO RE-ELECTION. Obviously not in the bread & circuses crowd. Those who are now seniors have been paying ss & medicare taxes for many years.  Those who want to get more freebies haven't - makes a difference!

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-09-06 10:08:52 12545
MR 2009-09-06 08:15:27 12545
The date on your image is very old did you have to wait in line 29 years to attend the rally?
What did you learn about anything at the rally?
Check out 12556 for how to set the time on the pen surveillance camera.

The biggest thing i learned was that the media didn't cover it not withstanding that they had their trucks there taking videos.  The story is still absent from any of the local online news papers. I saw one broadcast report Thursday night on channel 13, the local foxnews affiliate.  Only problem there was they ignored the big enthusiastic crowd and  showed only footage from the small opposition across the street .... nor did they even mention the rude guy with the megaphone. 

There were many signs in the crowd supporting the public option.  The one that stands out in my mind said something like: It's simple, no public option, no re-election.  That was a hand made sign, but most of the signs were mass printed by the promoters of the event. 
Who promoted the event?  I used to have a pen like yours except it had no camera only the flash drive. It was a great pen (French?), but when it ran out of ink I couldn't get the original refills anywhere & the substitute ones were poor. It eventually fell apart.


Seth says
MR 2009-09-06 14:45:13 12545
seth 2009-09-06 14:24:57 12545
MR 2009-09-06 11:55:22 12545
seth 2009-09-06 11:38:43 12545
source: MR above
Those who are now seniors have been paying ss & medicare taxes for many years.  Those who want to get more freebies haven't
Those who would get the public option would pay premiums, just like the seniors who paid through their payroll taxes. 
That's yet to be proven that a public option can support itself.
It will be written into the legislation that the public option must support itself. 
Where is it written into any bill that Obamacare will pay for itself?
This train is about the public option, please do not digress.  It is in the legislation that it must pay for itself.

The entire bill will cost about a 100 billion a year over 10 years.  That will be paid by taxes. Not deficit spending.  It is an investment that is targeted to actually save the American people money in the long  run.  As a comparison we have been spending well over 150 billion each year for the Iraq war. All of that deficit spending.

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-09-06 11:38:43 12545
source: MR above
Those who are now seniors have been paying ss & medicare taxes for many years.  Those who want to get more freebies haven't
This is no kind of an argument at all. Those who would get the public option would pay premiums, just like the seniors who paid through their payroll taxes.  Unfortunately until your a senior, you don't get that choice.
That's yet to be proven that a public option can support itself. Medicare certainly won't in a few years. The government doesn't know how to run a business they have already proved it with Medicare. Where does the initial money come from? The current speculation is they are going to carve a lot of money (~500 billion) from medicare & tax the shit out of the rest of you. The fact is there is no money in Medicare it has all been spent in the general fund. It's statements from the Obami that ignore the economics of insurance & how to pay for things. They act as if there is a credit card somewhere which has an infinite number of trillion $$$ credits available that make my side skeptical.  I hope (there's that word ) that Obama's plan gives real details about how it is to be financed not just the bread & circuses arguments he has been doing giving away the treasury for your children's children's children to pay back.


Seth says
source: MR above
Who promoted the event?
Follow the link i showed above, it shows who promoted it ...
source: Organizing for America
Join Congressman Jim McDermott, along with Organizing for America, Health Care for America NOW!, SEIU, UFCW 21, the Washington State Labor Council, WashPIRG, FUSE, and Planned Parenthood Votes for an evening rally at Westlake Park.
I actually found out about it through 2 emails, one from Organizing for America and the other from Washington State Democrats.

Mark de LA says
The real question is what's in it for seniors? Further restrictions?  What's in it for those who already have their own insurance?  The answer is nothing! The really inflated numbers of those that want health care but can't pay for it want to penalize those who have it already for their own selfish benefit... bread & circuses as far as there is other people's money.  I wonder if there is any welfare reform like proposal in the plan for those who can't afford health care to work it off like maybe emptying bedpans.

Seth says
MR 2009-09-06 11:55:22 12545
seth 2009-09-06 11:38:43 12545
source: MR above
Those who are now seniors have been paying ss & medicare taxes for many years.  Those who want to get more freebies haven't
This is no kind of an argument at all. Those who would get the public option would pay premiums, just like the seniors who paid through their payroll taxes.  Unfortunately until your a senior, you don't get that choice.
That's yet to be proven that a public option can support itself. Medicare certainly won't in a few years. The government doesn't know how to run a business they have already proved it with Medicare. [snip] The fact is there is no money in Medicare it has all been spent in the general fund. [snip]
It will be written into the legislation that the public option must support itself.  To argue that it will not, is to argue that somebody will make a actuarial mistake - not very likely.  That politicians spent Medicare monies from the general fund does not indicate that the Medicare insurance does not pay for itself - it just indicated that politicians have spent monies that they shouldn't have.  If the government subsidizes the premiums for those beneath the poverty line, then those payments could actually be less than the government's current support for emergency care. By increasing the pool of people covered, the risk is spread around, and the average cost goes down.  That means that the average cost for the government subsidies should go down as well.

The only real argument i hear here is your belief that the government can't do anything right, so why give it health insurance to do.  But then the private insurance companies had not done it right either ... witness the fact that an individual cannot go out and purchase reasonably priced health insurance on his own. 

[I snipped the rest of your unsubstantiated speculations to see if we can concentrate on one train of thought at a time.]

Seth says
MR 2009-09-06 12:14:43 12545
The real question is what's in it for seniors? Further restrictions?  What's in it for those who already have their own insurance?  The answer is nothing!
I don't think that there will be much of anything in the bill for those who already have Medicare - apparently that is substantially working.  Those who already have insurance, probably through their jobs, and are happy with it, don't realy need anything do they?  But i suspect that the employers will eventually be getting reduced premiums as more people are covered and more competition is brought to the insturance market. 
source:MR
The really inflated numbers of those that want health care but can't pay for it The really inflated numbers of those that want health care but can't pay for it want to penalize those who have it already for their own selfish benefit... bread & circuses as far as there is other people's money.  I wonder if there is any welfare reform like proposal in the plan for those who can't afford health care to work it off like maybe emptying bedpans.
Huh?  Go assume that you are a family of 3 and are 58 years old and find out what your premium for reasonable health insurance will be. See if you can still come back with your "really inflated numbers" claim and keep a straight face.  Fact is that health care is not affordable for the average person now.  Are you going to deny that?  If so, then go do some research and prove you point.  If not, then how are you going to fix it so  that it is affordable?

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-09-06 14:24:57 12545
MR 2009-09-06 11:55:22 12545
seth 2009-09-06 11:38:43 12545
source: MR above
Those who are now seniors have been paying ss & medicare taxes for many years.  Those who want to get more freebies haven't
This is no kind of an argument at all. Those who would get the public option would pay premiums, just like the seniors who paid through their payroll taxes.  Unfortunately until your a senior, you don't get that choice.
That's yet to be proven that a public option can support itself. Medicare certainly won't in a few years. The government doesn't know how to run a business they have already proved it with Medicare. [snip] The fact is there is no money in Medicare it has all been spent in the general fund. [snip]
It will be written into the legislation that the public option must support itself.  To argue that it will not, is to argue that somebody will make a actuarial mistake - not very likely.  That politicians spent Medicare monies from the general fund does not indicate that the Medicare insurance does not pay for itself - it just indicated that politicians have spent monies that they shouldn't have.  If the government subsidizes the premiums for those beneath the poverty line, then those payments could actually be less than the government's current support for emergency care. By increasing the pool of people covered, the risk is spread around, and the average cost goes down.  That means that the average cost for the government subsidies should go down as well.

The only real argument i hear here is your belief that the government can't do anything right, so why give it health insurance to do.  But then the private insurance companies had not done it right either ... witness the fact that an individual cannot go out and purchase reasonably priced health insurance on his own. 

[I snipped the rest of your unsubstantiated speculations to see if we can concentrate on one train of thought at a time.]
Where is it written into any bill that Obamacare will pay for itself? What will the Obami do when it doesn't.  The answer for all government projects which run overbudget is to get more taxpayer dollars or decrease service or cancel the project.


Seth says
MR 2009-09-06 15:04:01 12545
The point is that you are trying to sell all of America a plan that only benefits a small percentage of people & fucks with the rest. A full third of that demography doesn't even want to pay for insurance because they are young & think they are immortal. The problem can be solved mainly by tort reform & insurance reform that lets you shop in other states for health insurance.  Try that first & see what happens before ruining it for the rest of us & driving your great, great grand children into further debt.

Some say that tort reform will account for less than 1% of health cost.  Even those who question that figure estimate it at under 5%.  There is not enough there to make a big difference.  These figures need to be verified, but i've seen them from so many source that i suspect that there is quite a bit of truth to them.  I do not believe your assertion "only benefits a small percentage of people & fucks with the rest"  It is not a small percentage of people who will benefit.  The projections say that, if nothing is fixed, my great great grand child will be totally in hock to the health industry. 

Just throwing un-justified assertions back and forth will get us nowhere.  The only thing i am interested in is finding believable knowledge about this. 

For the record i will try to put a image at the end of this comment.


Seth says
MR 2009-09-06 20:59:05 12545
Where is it written in what bill that it must pay for itself? Cite the quote.
Its easy to find ...
source: H.R. 3200, TITLE II, Subtitle B--Public Health Insurance Option

SEC. 222. PREMIUMS AND FINANCING.

      (a) Establishment of Premiums-

            (1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall establish geographically-adjusted premium rates for the public health insurance option in a manner--

                  (A) that complies with the premium rules established by the Commissioner under section 113 for Exchange-participating health benefit plans; and

                  (B) at a level sufficient to fully finance the costs of--

                        (i) health benefits provided by the public health insurance option; and

                        (ii) administrative costs related to operating the public health insurance option.

            (2) CONTINGENCY MARGIN- In establishing premium rates under paragraph (1), the Secretary shall include an appropriate amount for a contingency margin.
I bolded the sentence that justifies my claim.   Of course that is just one of the many bills vieing for passage, not to mention the one that Obama is working on.  That has always been the very definition of the Public Option.

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