Netanyahu at the UN

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~The text of the speech is here.  I find it difficult not to agree!Use the click in the picture to follow his speech with his voice as the interpreter rather than the other links in the sideline of youtube.

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Mark de LA says
seth 2009-09-25 08:50:33 12641
I listened to a bit from this guy but couldn't take much.  He makes me mad.  How can you out of one side of your neck say you want peace, and out of the other side continue building settlements on the other guys land? 
Ditto for Hamas lobbing rockets into Israel. It's part of a strategy for self-defense. It's harder for the enemy to mount large scale attacks if he has to go by your houses to do that.

IMHO, That's one of Netanyahu's bargaining chips which he is strengthening these days in the face of Hamas & others' refusals to regognize Israel's right to exist & claim it as a Jewish state. Israel tried to offer most of the other chips up in land for peace & stuff in the era of Clinton & Arafat - then the Intifada began.

Mark de LA says
As long as Hamas & other groups aligned against Israel refuse it's right to exist in spite of the fact that Israel regognizes a right of the Palestinians to have their own state then Israel must guarantee it's own survival.  It was Hamas that bulldozed the settlements left behind in Gaza by Israelis. They considered them unclean because jews had occupied them.

Seth says
source: MR above
Ditto for Hamas lobbing rockets into Israel.
Couple of things about your little moral equivalence comparison.  (1) Hamas is not in the west bank where Israel is building settlements. Israel already withdrew from the Gaza settlements and bulldozed them.  (2) Last time i looked there are no rockets currently coming from Gaza into Israel; but that fact would need some verification. 
source: MR above
It's part of a strategy for self-defense.  It's harder for the enemy to mount large scale attacks if he has to go by your houses to do that.
Well yes of course that is true.  If you don't want, or care for, peace between two peoples then just side with one over the other.  But if you want peace, you can't put Israel's needs above those of the people of the West Bank.  If you want peace, then you can't keep humiliating and oppressing your opponent. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-09-25 10:21:06 12641
source: MR above
As long as Hamas & other groups aligned against Israel refuse it's right to exist in spite of the fact that Israel recognizes a right of the Palestinians to have their own state then Israel must guarantee it's own survival.
I guess you missed the contradiction in Israel recognizing a right of Palestinians to have their own state, but continuing to build their settlements in it.
source: MR
It was Hamas that bulldozed the settlements left behind in Gaza by Israelis.
I don't think that is true, and if true, is irrelevant .. the point is that Israel abandoned them. There is no moral equivalence between Israel's current settlement building in the West Bank and Hamas's rocket lobbing several months ago. The former does not cause of justify the latter.  It is just a rhetorical argument to throw around and waste time.  It might be nice to stick to real problems that actually obtain in reality ... after all there are enough of them to go around.
I guess you missed the part where Israel has a right to ensure it's survival in any way.  All the Palestinians & Hamas have to do (probably) is to recognize Israel's right to exist & then final negotiations are likely to proceed.


Mark de LA says
MR 2009-09-25 11:16:31 12641
seth 2009-09-25 11:10:41 12641
MR 2009-09-25 10:58:52 12641
Sovereignty implies right;  your ever enhancing moral equivocating of Israel with the Hamas terrorists notwithstanding.
Yep, the "right" not to allow another country to build their settlements on your land.

Yep, the right to protect yourself from suicide bombers!!!
It's hard to tell from history whether Palestine is actually a state. See this Wikipedia on the current status of Palestine.

Seth says
MR 2009-09-25 10:28:16 12641
seth 2009-09-25 10:21:06 12641
source: MR above
As long as Hamas & other groups aligned against Israel refuse it's right to exist in spite of the fact that Israel recognizes a right of the Palestinians to have their own state then Israel must guarantee it's own survival.
I guess you missed the contradiction in Israel recognizing a right of Palestinians to have their own state, but continuing to build their settlements in it.
source: MR
It was Hamas that bulldozed the settlements left behind in Gaza by Israelis.
I don't think that is true, and if true, is irrelevant .. the point is that Israel abandoned them. There is no moral equivalence between Israel's current settlement building in the West Bank and Hamas's rocket lobbing several months ago. The former does not cause of justify the latter.  It is just a rhetorical argument to throw around and waste time.  It might be nice to stick to real problems that actually obtain in reality ... after all there are enough of them to go around.
I guess you missed the part where Israel has a right to ensure it's survival in any way.  All the Palestinians & Hamas have to do (probably) is to recognize Israel's right to exist & then final negotiations are likely to proceed.

It is not a "right", it is a power.  There is no "right" is International Law to "ensure survive in any way" at the expense of your neighbors. 

And, yes of course, the Palestinians should recognize the right of Israel to exist.  That is one of the biggest chips on the table.  The other big chip is the settlements.  No need for us to lob those back and forth at each other. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2009-09-25 11:10:41 12641
MR 2009-09-25 10:58:52 12641
Sovereignty implies right;  your ever enhancing moral equivocating of Israel with the Hamas terrorists notwithstanding.
Yep, the "right" not to allow another country to build their settlements on your land.

Yep, the right to protect yourself from suicide bombers!!!

Seth says
MR 2009-09-25 11:27:50 12641
MR 2009-09-25 11:16:31 12641
seth 2009-09-25 11:10:41 12641
MR 2009-09-25 10:58:52 12641
Sovereignty implies right;  your ever enhancing moral equivocating of Israel with the Hamas terrorists notwithstanding.
Yep, the "right" not to allow another country to build their settlements on your land.

Yep, the right to protect yourself from suicide bombers!!!
It's hard to tell from history whether Palestine is actually a state. See this Wikipedia on the current status of Palestine.
Well Palestine will be a state, if your have the two state solution.  That has been the primary assumption of the peace process for a long time. 

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