Obama & Congress -VS- We the People

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We are witnessing the end of Representative Government
& the violation of the Constitution by those who were elected to protect it!
 

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  1. obamacare
  2. democracy

Comments


Mark de LA says
We need a different kind of representative government where economics & laws & rights & religion are not all collapsed together.


C says
seth 2010-03-17 10:52:34 13503
The end of representative government may just be a good thing.  Afterall it hasn't been really working for us.  How about a more direct form of democracy instead?
You might want to move to England then where it is mostly being practiced there.  The good thing about it is that they can dissolve the government when there is a lack of confidence as we here in the USA have in our government.


Seth says
M 2010-03-17 14:12:28 13503
We need a different kind of representative government where economics & laws & rights & religion are not all collapsed together.

Well religion is not supposed to be collapsed with the rest of our government.  I suppose that is some kind of swipe at either the religious right in this country or against the environmental movement which you call a religion.  But yes i agree we probably need a new kind of representative government ... one not based upon the democratic and the republican parties.

Mark de LA says
seth 2010-03-17 15:45:58 13503
M 2010-03-17 14:12:28 13503
We need a different kind of representative government where economics & laws & rights & religion are not all collapsed together.

Well religion is not supposed to be collapsed with the rest of our government.  I suppose that is some kind of swipe at either the religious right in this country or against the environmental movement which you call a religion.  But yes i agree we probably need a new kind of representative government ... one not based upon the democratic and the republican parties.
We have atheism/materialism mixed in with the law & abortion & education; we also have religion mixed in with PC stuff & Islam & foreign policy.  I want the domain of the spiritual to be separate & in control of education & medicine where absolute freedom is to reign.
 

Mark de LA says
seth 2010-03-17 16:02:19 13503
"Absolute freedom" sounds like a fluff word like "organic" of "Lite" ... it means nothing ... i want no part of it.
So obviously then you wouldn't mind someone else telling you what to believe in the spiritual domain like Allah Akbar, eh?


Seth says
For the fun of it, let's have a do over ...
You say ...
source: M above
We have atheism/materialism mixed in with the law & abortion & education; we also have religion mixed in with PC stuff & Islam & foreign policy.  I want the domain of the spiritual to be separate & in control of education & medicine where absolute freedom is to reign.
My primary problem here is with your usage of the term "absolute freedom".  "Freedom" like the word "liberty" has become fluff in modern usage.  Examine  the times that Obama has used that word but was actually referring to a policy where more restrictions were to be imposed on people.  Then combine "freedom" with "absolute" and it starts to sound like marketing fluff like "Lite Beer" or "Organic Butter".  For me it become essentially meaningless. 

So i ask you, what is the nature of a process which would educate and heal and be in the domain of the spiritual?  How would the "spiritual" control such a process and how would it be free?

Mark de LA says
See also 13516 for a different, but relevant, picture of liberty & freedom.
The general process of is one of "bottom-up" development of the goals & procedures by the real people involved in any activity. It is the opposite of government politicians taking polls & figuring out what they must do & say to get your money & votes & allegiance. The people who actually do the teaching & healing develop the rules & institutions.  The absolute was used preceeding the word freedom to indicate that such a domain was free of economic & rights-legal issues - something we have very mashed-up together these days. 
I say "bottom-up" because in my experience a person can only manage a group of people about twelve in number before it becomes political & lose touch. There are many hierarchical, geometric schemes which can subdivide a lot of people.  We have the USA & the states, counties & cities, but these are all political. We have unions, but unions are one-sided & created to oppose management.  People in their vocations prefer cooperation, apprenticeship, education & so forth.  Let them decide how to proceed with some coaching by those who already know what is happening.


Mark de LA says
seth 2010-03-18 03:07:25 13503
M 2010-03-17 17:16:55 13503
seth 2010-03-17 16:57:46 13503
M 2010-03-17 16:47:53 13503
seth 2010-03-17 16:02:19 13503
"Absolute freedom" sounds like a fluff word like "organic" of "Lite" ... it means nothing ... i want no part of it.
So obviously then you wouldn't mind someone else telling you what to believe in the spiritual domain like Allah Akbar, eh?

I don't know how you arrived at that outrageous assumption about me based upon what i said, but i don't really care.  It seems that you just want to be argumentative.  Such argumentiveness does not move our political dialouge along at all.  In fact that is exactly the kind of bull shit argumentation that is going on in Washington. 

DUDE! not everyone will agree with you - there will be arguments - get over it!
There is no argument there.  You just totally flushed my meaning down the tube of your own confusion.  IOW, your response was not to what i said.
Likewise your original comment was inappropriate & off-topic.


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