Testing Spin To Win


I made this link so that i could walk into the Apple store and check out Spin To Win on a iPhone and a iPad.  Well the good news is that i did that successfully, the bad news is that Apple has refused to support flash on their mobile platforms.  See Steve Job's, now famous, comments here, and Adobe's response here, and watch Adobe stock tumble here

 I wish i had of known how that this was in play before i started the project ... oh well shit happens.

Thing is, now, i need to figure out how to make spintowin accessible on the most platforms possible and that includes popular mobile ones.  I doubt that HTML5 is the answer ... does it do my job of rotational animation between two points of the wheel?  Does it work on most people's browsers? I don't know but i doubt it.  The best solution i can come up with is the old animated gif files.  If anyone else has a solution, please chirp up now.  Then too how do i play the sountrack.  Last time i tried to play sound automatically when one loads a page i got all kinds of complaints that their browsers were barfing on my pages. 


Tags

  1. spintowin
  2. dev
  3. speak
  4. adobe
  5. apple
  6. flash
  7. html5
  8. speaktomecatalog.com
  9. country

Comments


Seth says
The US justice department is looking into anti trust litigation against Apple for their practices.  You can follow the web buzz in the social net sphere here.  Me, i just need to find alternatives.  But, yeah, Apple is manipulating the market something awful ... it's not something that they should be proud of.  I don't think that there is any doubt that Apple platforms seem closed, PC platforms seem more open, and Google platforms seem  even more open.  It's no surprise, and perhaps no sin, for companies to manipulate the market for their own bottom line.  That manipulation is not the best thing for us users, nor the best thing for the overall flourishment of business.  But who knows ... in the long long long run, it obviously works ... certainly the gov can't fix it.

C says
Apparently Jobs has chosen innovation over larger share of the market & trumped all others in both! Kudos!  I'm not much in favor of the strategy of using lawsuits to compete.  It hasn't helped Linux in competition with Windows much. Apparently there is some competition to Flash, but I don't understand your programming requirements much to evaluate them. Apparently M$ & Google competitive product to the iPad(?) & iPhone are not enough for you to target their products.


Seth says
Well from where i work it is best to target as many users as possible.  Thing is the iPhone/iPad are accessible to the blind ... and the affluent among them are flocking to that platform ... so i perceive this as a setback for me, but not a giant one.  To think that to innovate, you must wall off your product from other competition, is to be short sighted.  Many developers will not be developing for their platform because of their policies ... if i were you, as a user, i would not be getting a iPhone ... better to invest in a Android.

Seth says
Wow, javascrip rotational animations .

C says
Steve Jobs makes a very rational & studied response to the Flash tempest here. I also like Ian Bogost's stand titled Flash is not a Right! The pertinent quote appears in Slashdot as:
Slashdot: ... "[A] large number of developers seem to think that they have the right to make software for the iPhone (or for anything else) in Flash, or in another high-level environment of their choosing. Literally, the right, not just the convenience or the opportunity. And many of them are quite churlish about the matter. This strikes me as a very strange sort of attitude to adopt. There's no question that Flash is useful and popular, and it has a large and committed user base. There's also no question that it's often convenient to be able to program for different platforms using environments one already knows. And likewise, there's a long history of creating OS stubs or wrappers or other sorts of gizmos to make it possible to run code 'alien' to a platform in a fashion that makes it feel more native. But what does it say about the state of programming practice writ large when so many developers believe that their 'rights' are trampled because they cannot write programs for a particular device in a particular language? Or that their 'freedom' as creators is squelched for the same reason?"
...Steve Jobs suggests HTML5, CSS & javascript which may be around & more open than Flash.



Seth says
source: MR above
.Steve Jobs suggests HTML5, CSS & javascript which may be around & more open than Flash.
You know, the "right" to develop an APP for the iWhatever is one thing, another thing is Apple saying that they are giving their customers access to browse the web, but then then they are not.  Flash files are all over the web just like pdf files and doc files and mu3 files and wma files ... all of those are proprietary formats.  All of those formats are supported by all the major browsers, even Apple's Safari.  But you press the Safari icon on the iWhatever and you can't see the swf's.  That is where it hurts and that is where Apple is being arrogant and manipulative of the marketplace. 

HTML5 + CSS & javascript is great for the future, but it is not here now. It is not an option for my project.  So the way this stands now, you can spin to win on your desktop, on your laptop, but if you are out about on your iWhatever, you just can't see the wheel spin or hear it go.  Let's assume there was some value in that spin experience for you.  The who lost in the equation?


Seth says
After writing the above comment  i discovered that others think the same way i am thinking. 
source: Phillip Grønvold of Opera
"Because eventually we will have the canvas [of the web] in good quality and we'll have the toolsets to use that canvas in the quality but in the foreseeable future, 18 months or so, Flash is not going away and it is critical."

PS:  My comment above should have ended with "Then who lost in the equation?".

Seth says
It's interesting to note the emergance of HTML5 on the web, especially with mobile devises ...
source: Google
"We've added support for the HTML5 <video> and <audio> tags, so that when you come across an awesome video you can share it in such a way that your mobile device-using friends can see it too."
...


Seth says
C 2010-05-07 08:29:15 13731
Apparently you failed to read all of Job's response especially the part where Flash is not taking into account the change from mice & keyboards to touch & finger movements. His concern is quality & the future rather than your paranoid idea of shutting off the competition. Apparently not everyone can be compatable with everyone else - witness Fastblogit & the browsers it doesn't work with: i.e. Safari, Chrome, Opera .....

No, Mark i read the whole thing, your apparent perceptions notwithstanding.  I can see it from several points of view.  Perhaps Apple is doing the "right" thing by putting real pressure on Adobe to embrace the evolving web standards.  As those get implemented it helps us all ... users and developers ... and even equipment manufacturers.  Proprietary formats suck, flash sucks.  Give us the pain now!  Ouch, ouch, ouch!

My question still remains:  Who in this whole battle of Titans, who are not playing nice with each other, are the loosers?  Answer: it is us the little guys,  both users and producers.  Me, i'm not going to be buying CS5, and i'm not going to be buying a iWhatever.  I'll  buy an Android instead and i'll go look for open source software to get my stuff done so i can show it to as many of my customers as soon as possible. 

Seth says
HTML5 readiness visualization go here ...







C says
Have you tried Gordon - supposedly a flash to javascript thingy.

Seth says
C 2010-05-13 05:59:36 13731
On my system (Windows 2003 server) it is hopelessly garbled on IE8, but seems OK on Firefox.
What is "it" ?

C says
seth 2010-05-13 07:30:53 13731
C 2010-05-13 05:59:36 13731
On my system (Windows 2003 server) it is hopelessly garbled on IE8, but seems OK on Firefox.
What is "it" ?
"it" is the HTML5 readiness visualisation (the link) above when followed.

Seth says
Adobe's next move in their feud with Apple.

Seth says
C 2010-05-13 07:45:49 13731
Have you tried Gordon - supposedly a flash to javascript thingy.
Support for SVG (which it assumes) is not well supported on the web yet and i don't think there is a conversion of audio (which i need for spin to win) in vector graphics.

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