A Better Obamatrap

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C says
Personally, I think it's an irresistible affinity between the mush inside a watermelon & the mush inside their heads, but some would probably like to interpret it as racist stereotypes.


Mark de LA says
seth 2010-07-17 08:32:32 14087

This picture is a good response to the one about Obama which would go better in a collection of black memorabilia  from  the early 20th century ... but Doh, we're in the 21th.
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Well you seem to have made it a racisist thingy! I like watermelon, especially as part of the NBHD.  Does that mean I'm black?

Mark de LA says
seth 2010-07-18 22:22:39 14087
source: C above
I'm sorry, I just don't get the derogatory - it must be in the mind of the beholder. If I saw a Mexican with a smile on his face enjoying a burrito would that be derogatory?
Look at the cartoon and tell me it's not derogatory.  The cartoonist is making fun of the president because he can be lured with nothing more than  a watermelon because he is a negro.  Jesus Christ, Mark, do i need to explain your own racism  to  you?
Anger indicated by your soft swearing about my shift in context belies a hint of your own racism.  At the bottom line of anger is frustration at powerlessness in the matter & trying to assert power by force.  Check it out!  I shifted the context from the PC seeing of racism under every rock to a rational examination of what is really there.  Rationally, there is nothing racist unless you hold (context) it that way! There is nothing sacred about this or any other president:  making fun of presidents is part of political dialogue.  You failed to move with the context. You have to become post-racial to enjoy the context & the humor.  Our president, far from being post-racial, is more PC racial then his predecessors (mostly to hold claim on his sagging voter base). Items 714 & 10838  will give you the clues. Or, maybe, you should follow your own advice & see a new context.

C says
seth 2010-07-17 12:59:03 14087
C 2010-07-17 10:53:31 14087
seth 2010-07-17 10:28:32 14087
Give me a break, Mark, denying the racial reference stretches your credibility beyond the breaking point.  See 14100 for one of zillions of these references from 1920's Americana.
You are making my point. I question the association. Why is watermelon associated with colored people; using a designation from the name of the NAACP.

Doah!  That's because historically people have made that association.  Why is any sign associated with anything ... because people use the sign with the thing  ... time and time again.   The association is reinforced  whenever people refer to the sign with the thing, as has been done in the cartoon by "annon".  This is basic Culture and Language 101 and not something that should be at all controversial.  

Now what is your point?
So maybe perhaps a red headed dragon could be associated with you, eh?


C says
seth 2010-07-18 07:13:51 14087
C 2010-07-17 14:02:27 14087
seth 2010-07-17 13:16:28 14087
Strangely enough this association may not be all that very arbitrary.  Where it started and why might be googableable ... may i suggest: watermelon negro slaves plantations.
Not terribly convincing; being a link to a bunch of shit.  Maybe watermelons are easy to grow in some areas.  Why it would become a positive enticement rather than a negative is still up for grabs.

Well it's pretty obvious, isn't it?  Everything about the black man has been projected as negative ... from black face, to soft hair, to big lips.   Now how does that saying go:  there is  nothing evil that thinking does not make it so ... i'm sure i got the wording wrong, but you probably remember it. 
I think the weight of the grinding axe you are carrying around is too heavy & affects your ability to answer the question. Why would a watermelon appear as an enticement to a black person as in the original cartoon in the item suggests? If I were forced to eat watermelons, & only watermelons, I would hate watermelons after a while - there would be no lure no matter how sweet they taste.

Mark de LA says
seth 2010-07-19 09:16:40 14087
Well sure, comedians poke fun at a person's race all the time.   But  a black comedian poking fun at his race will get more laughs than a white comedian poking fun at  a  negro (eg Karamer).  Unless of course the white comedian is playing to  a room of racist skin heads.  

I don't buy the meme that poking fun at Obama's race is now fair game; but i can see how his opposition would like that to be the case.

What is your real point?   I still don't know.  Certainly it's not that now it is acceptable in America to poke fun at Obama's race and that anyone who complains are themselves a racist.  Is it Mark? If that is case, then please change my moodicon to a guffaw. 

My piece on changing context didn't spring from this item, but your certainly welcome to try it in this regard.
Having missed my entire response because of your jerking knee the following is probably pointless but I offer it anyway:
  • Kramer wasnt funny in the first place! Never was to me. If racism is PC-bad for a black it equally bad for a white & visa-versa!
  • The cartoon did NOT poke fun of Obama's race - your own racism did [via: item 714] & others.
  • The cartoon to me was just humor (it warned you to lighten up!!!!!)
  • It is not I that need to change context it is you - from racisim under every criticism of your favorite president, Obama to just another president whom quite a few do not agree with. 



C says
seth 2010-07-18 10:46:27 14087
C 2010-07-18 09:57:41 14087
seth 2010-07-18 09:34:00 14087
source: C above
Why would a watermelon appear as an enticement to a black person as in the original cartoon in the item suggests? If I were forced to eat watermelons, & only watermelons, I would hate watermelons after a while - there would be no lure no matter how sweet they taste.
I don't get where your "forced to eat watermelons" comes from.  The meme goes that black folk love watermelons ... hence it is a lure.
Then why did you bring slavery into the picture? Do blacks like watermelon any more than whites or browns or yellows or reds? Was watermelons all they could grow to survive?
I brought slavery into the discussion to answer your question: "Why is watermelon associated with colored people?"   That is a reasonable question for a historian to ask.  I gave you my off the top of my head query to Google.    My theory being that watermelons were abundant in the fields of the South and so people started seeing slaves eat watermelons all the time.   I didn't do any research and i'm not totally sure that is the case ... but it does hang together well ... and does answer your question.   It is derogatory simply because people made it derogatory  .. the subject cartoon is a perfect case in point.
I'm sorry, I just don't get the derrogatory - it must be in the mind of the beholder. If I saw a Mexican with a smile on his face enjoying a burrito would that be derrogatory?


Mark de LA says
It is funny how 8 years of Obama can go by & still the value of the race card grows for some people – Hollywood & Chris Rock. Racism not withstanding – or I should say still stands firm for those who ignore:  being human is more important & significant.

Mark de LA says
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/10/10/fireman-fired-over-racially-insensitive-watermelon.html 


Football Coach Fired Because Eating Watermelon Is Racist 

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/390957/football-coach-fired-because-eating-watermelon-racist-katherine-timpf

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