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Computational metaphysics, as we practice it, is the implementation and investigation of formal, axiomatic metaphysics (i.e., the study of metaphysics using formally represented axioms and premises to derive conclusions) in an automated reasoning environment. As our axiomatic metaphysics, we work within the axiomatic theory of abstract objects developed at the Metaphysics Research Lab at Stanford University.
The basic idea is to represent the axioms and definitions of abstract object theory in the syntax of an automated reasoning system. Once this is done, arbitrary propositions in the language of object theory can either be proved or shown to be independent of the basic axioms and definitions. In the past, we have used PROVER9 (and its accompanying model-finding program, MACE4), as our automated reasoning system. (PROVER9 is the successor to OTTER.) This meant representing things in the syntax of PROVER9. For examples, see the links to our work on the theory of forms and the theory of possible worlds.



Today i have started to work out an ontology and/or personal mind map ... bearing in mind that yours will be different and that this is in no way an attempt on my part to specify or classify where things fit in for everybody ... just myself. So jut for the record this is what i have come up with for myself ...
dualities ...
- good/evil ... right/wrong ... good/bad ... (judgement,morality)
- true/false ... fact/fiction ... (logic,semiotics)
- positive/negative ... increase/decrease (?)
- above/beneath ... (hierarchy)
- habitual / spontaneous... restrained/free ... expected,regular/surprising,novel ...
- intention,planning / submission,victimization ... intentional/unintentional ... (???)
- creative ... artistic ... expressive ... desire ... jaded ... ????
- flexible/brittle ... ???
- hesitation/fluid movement ... ???
- me/other ... my behavior/ others behavior ...
- tolerant/manipulative ...
- love/hate ...
- interested/disinterested
- coincidence
- private/public
- distraction/focus
- meta/being
- thought, reason, logic, sign
- feeling, heart, sensation
- will, action, movement, change
- time
- space
- location
- event
- process ... continuum
- mass
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Two things stand out. One is the feeling in the eye which I located for myself & till now was not aware. Up to that time I just thought of rubbing my eyes or the pain of something in them.
The second is the whole of the last sentence.



Interestingly enough that also applies to you (me too). In other words you (and i too) are real beings, even to ourselves, just like the cat is. But whatever we say or think about the cat, or ourselves, is still meta to the being (ourselves in this case) itself.
Now, Mark, is that what you call being?


Interestingly enough that also applies to you (me too). In other words you (and i too) are real beings, even to ourselves, just like the cat is. But whatever we say or think about the cat, or ourselves, is still meta to the being (ourselves in this case) itself.
Now, Mark, is that what you call being?

Are you saying that being and consciousness are the same thing to you? How, in your mind, is what you said about consciousness related to how i was trying to point to being?
Are you saying that being and consciousness are the same thing to you? How, in your mind, is what you said about consciousness related to how i was trying to point to being?


First i was not trying to apply logic to attention, rather i was trying to make sure that we are talking about the same thing when we were using words. For example we are now using the term "attention", so now i assume that what we call consciousness is just the same thing as what we call "attention" ... corrected of course for the slight syntactic variation. So when i say i am conscious of x, that is the same thing as me saying that i am paying attention to x. Can we agree on that?
Then too the word "conscious" is frequently used
First i was not trying to apply logic to attention, rather i was trying to make sure that we are talking about the same thing when we were using words. For example we are now using the term "attention", so now i assume that what we call consciousness is just the same thing as what we call "attention" ... corrected of course for the slight syntactic variation. So when i say i am conscious of x, that is the same thing as me saying that i am paying attention to x. Can we agree on that?
Then too the word "conscious" is frequently used

- Awareness: Things that are talked about in the form {A is aware of X} where A is some human and X is anything that person is aware of. Note that when we talk about these type (1) relationships, it must be implicit that there is an A and that there is an X.
- Self Awareness: A special case of (1) where X == A.
- A special case of (1) where { A is aware of {A is aware of X} }
- A special case of (3) where X == A.
- Qualia: talked about in the form { A feels θ as {A awareOf X} }. Here we use a greek letter to distinguish what it feels like to be aware of something. This does introduce another dimension to the consideration of consciousness.
Now getting back to some of the things you said, like "Being which represents the Cosmic All" , where is that "Being" in terms of the equations above?

First i was not trying to apply logic to attention, rather i was trying to make sure that we are talking about the same thing when we were using words. For example we are now using the term "attention", so now i assume that what we call consciousness is just the same thing as what we call "attention" ... corrected of course for the slight syntactic variation. So when i say i am conscious of x, that is the same thing as me saying that i am paying attention to x. Can we agree on that?
Then too the word "conscious" is frequently used

Actually i had not finished my comment but posted it in error because of a hardware malfunction. I was getting to the case where consciousness might not have an object. This is where we need to talk about qualia ... what it feels like to be conscious of something. If there were no feeling that accompanied consciousness, then we would not even be talking about it here, would we? So we all have feelings of consciousness ... how it feels to be conscious of this and that ... perhaps if you train yourself to avoid consciousness of anything, you can get at just the feeling itself sans the awareness of the objects. You seem to have assigned some meta meaning to that feeling ... but then you will probably claim that is is not even a feeling, but that it is some other grand thing which carries its own meaning into your lefe. Now i'm going to be honest with you ... i experience a feeling of consciousness too ... but my consciousness without some particular object feels kind of like an echo ... and i don't ascribe any particular value or meaning to it at all ... in fact it feels kind of starry-eyed and i tend to avoid it. But then that's just me ... i'm sure your experience with its accompanying emotional content and the meaning you ascribe to that experience are quit valid and valuable within the context of your life.
Btw, i don't remember any specific exercises that were described in sufficient detail that were actually described anywhere on fastblogit. Of course i know about ZaZen and practice it. If you want, please be specific and detailed.





Guided by the methodology expressed in BofNK I practice an inquiry thus: (para 21:58) paraphrased to generality as it was tailored for the subject of my awareness itself.
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Get into NOW - aware of this moment
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Locate the subject or clarify exactly what you want to contemplate [the subject]
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Create the possibility of becoming conscious of the true nature of what you are contemplating
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Right now, intend to become conscious of the true nature of what you are contemplating
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Allow yourself to not-know what it really is & open up to the possibility of experiencing something beyond what you are experiencing right now, or something different in what you are experiencing now. [this is the part where you shed your assumptions, past and other things you think you know about the subject]
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Keep your attention focused on the subject without distraction or break. If you lose your focus, continually return your attention to the presence of what you are contemplating.
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Truly wonder as you ask the question: "What is ....."
If what shows up isn't expressible in words - so be it! Contemplating "Who am I?" is such an endeavor so far. Maybe it is possible some day to put it into words. I don't know. Are there assumptions in the above methodology? The only ones I know about are the ones that assume you can do the process suggested with honesty & not the bias, assumptions & all the other shit which begins to show up once you start! The book is 581 pages - not easy to digest in a comment. So far I have been fairly successful every time I genuinely try it.
I find nothing in the procedure that sheds any light on how to deal with the special case where the subject is the attention itself, nor wgeb the the subject is what is paying the attention. I've always thought that the question "Who am I?" is more a political question who's answer would be found by examining my driver's license or birth certificate ... "What am I?" ... or perhaps "What is my nature?" is more to my likeing. One quesion i continually ask myself is variations on "What is this for?" ... in other words why am i stuggling here ... "What am i stuggling for?" ... "I am doing this thing, for WHAT?". Here is a specific question of that form ... "I am writing this comment for what?" ... the answer in that case is "you" ... but in a larger sense i am commenting here to clarify my thinking on these kind of questions, so then perhaps a better answer would be "i am comminting to clarify my thinking about asking deep questions ... err for myself".










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