We The People ... Want Transparency in our Government

About: The Gadsden flag

 
Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.
 - H. L. Mencken

 Judges & lawyers have the power to kill us, to jail us, take all of our shit & commit our lives to slavery to pay off alimony & taxes. This is good enough reason to make the process of creating laws absolutely transparent.  Right now congress at the national level & state & municipal  imitations of such illustrate H.L. Mencken’s quote above.  
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By absolutely transparent I mean:
  1. No law of any kind should be offered for final signature without at least 1 month of public review & explanation.  It must be posted on the Internet in final form in sufficient time before signature for the following review process. Have you ever noticed that the law moves slowly when you are asking for redress? It costs a lot to get a lawyer to help you thread your way through the arcane processes? There is no hurry on that side. Congress must take that as a big fat clue & make changes to the process. If the votes only exist to pass a bill in one infinitesimal moment then that is a big fat clue that something is wrong.
  2. Every member of a voting body must read the bill and add comments on the value & purpose of the bill.  If they are not capable of doing this they must be impeached & recalled or removed. 
  3. Every bill must stand on it’s own & not be a conglomeration of revisions & changes to bills that are already too big & too complex to understand.
  4. No bill should be originated or come up before congress until a sufficient number of the members of the public interact with their representatives supporting the idea. Congress must not just start writing laws on their own.
  5. All bills must have a cause & effect analysis illustrating what the real outcomes of the law create; including the effects on the budget & the taxpayer.
  6. The rules of the House & Senate must be reviewed & revised to make common sense & such revisions must adhere to the above 5 points.
  7. The rules of the elections must be revised so that self-interest & the bread & circuses effect is but one third of the equation.  I’m still working on this one [see: tags threefoldness] .
  8. If I were a tea party person I would demand that the above be written in the charter or platform of any candidate seeking my vote.  Failure is no option & impeachment would be the results if a candidate lied while signing his committment.
  9. .... TBD (Your thoughts welcome!) One idea is that every person clerk or otherwise should make their names & contact id available so that we know who actually wrote the langueage of the law.  Another idea is that laws & bills are just the first step after that comes what the executive branch euphamistically calles regulations & administration.  How one is translated into the other must also become transparent.  Another idea is that Congress & politicians in general are not going to do this on their own; thus removing their power & purse strings & thus job security.  I suggest that we keep removing them from office until they implement such rules & keep repealing their laws at each subsequent election until such transparency has been achieved!
  10. People are innately good inside & want to work for a living & share what they have in a self-respecting manner.  Funny, our governments don’t believe that do they? M$M & the power hungry create the society we see.
  11. Require all campaign stops & speeches be required public & "on the record".
Free yourself & get rid of beliefs ! Don't be a BELIEF robot - M.R.

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  2. transparency
  3. revolution
  4. peaceful revolution
  5. korupcijaMK
  6. world
  7. Trump
  8. CBG

Comments


Mark de LA says
FYI, what more proof do we need?
Sen. Baucus my friend admits to not reading bill!

'We hire experts'...

FLASHBACK: Will Congress read bills before voting?

More than 3M seniors may have to switch drug plans...

Mark de LA says
I reiterate from 9027 the debacle from the Federal Reserve:
The Drudge Headlines say a mouthful:
FED SECRETLY BAILED OUT GE -- GE NEWS OUTLETS FAILED TO REVEAL IN FED COVERAGE ...
BOMBSHELL: European banks took big slice of aid...
Hundreds of billions of dollars...
Fed reveals global extent of its backing...
BANK OF AMERICA Becoming 'Bank of Asia' as Revenue Increases 30% ...
MORE SECRETS: Fed Withholds Data for $885 Billion in Loans...


SANTA CLAUSE: FED AID WENT ALL OVER; COMPANIES, BANKS, OFFSHORE

& bring up Congressman Ron Paul's Federal Reserve Transparency Act Which has been referred to committee for about a year.  The current status is here.  According to government tracking website H.R. 1207 & S.B. 604 are the pertinent bills & from the news are very timely!  Any government that does things in secret which it would never do in public & for which the majority of people would not vote to do if all the facts were known is criminal! If we fail to pay our taxes this government will put us in jail.  It the government steals our money with tax laws & gives it away to foreign governments & international corporations for things we do not want it is they that are the criminals.


Mark de LA says
The only way to get us there is to vote out the bad guys continuously & privatize the functions of government so that there is nothing for bureaucrats to do & then fire them. Unless you want something like the French Revolution or this for government fuckups & those that betray the public trust:

C says
seth 2010-12-04 06:25:19 14232
Apparently you are for open government.  To get us there, are you also for wikileaks?
TRANSPARENT! I don't know what you mean by open government.  Wikileaks is a criminal enterprise. Until we get rid of wars there will be a need for classified information & intelligence collection.  Right before our eyes here shit is going on with our money that must be stopped. Congress, itself, is another criminal enterprise. They create blank checks & the public can't figure out where the money goes. They write extremely complicated laws without reading them & then leave it to unelected regulators to make things up as they go.  We need to separate money from government & government from our money!


Mark de LA says
Getting closer to the people who represent us in government is another answer. Letters & emails don't seem to work. 14086 gives some clues on the numbers. Tea parties & the notion of an adhocracy mentioned in that item are also good ideas.
MR: 2010-07-19 18:53:11
2010-07-19 18:53:11
The notion of an adhocracy showed up today.
Wikipedia: ... Adhocracy is a type of organization being antonymous to bureaucracy. The term was first popularized in 1970 by Alvin Toffler[1], and has since become often used in the theory of management of organizations (particularly online organizations), further developed by academics such as Henry Mintzberg
...
If you were accountable to a group of ~ 12 people & you were chosen to represent that 12 in another circle ... etc.  Right now, the system is built on an election in which the office holders run around and lie about themselves & others to get the job & job-security of running your life. Isn't anyone else impressed by how absurd  that is or the bread & circuses effect?  The main idea I want to stress here is accountability & integrity - see also 14341.
Please pardon the lack of credit in the amusing cartoon above.

Mark de LA says
Terrorism? Wikileaks discloses a poison pill.  It certainly doesn't show up as a well-reasoned, consciencious display of ethical behavior, IMHO. 


Mark de LA says
seth 2010-12-04 10:19:06 14232
M 2010-12-04 10:15:13 14232
seth 2010-12-04 09:58:41 14232
C 2010-12-04 08:32:19 14232
seth 2010-12-04 06:25:19 14232
Apparently you are for open government.  To get us there, are you also for wikileaks?
TRANSPARENT! I don't know what you mean by open government.  Wikileaks is a criminal enterprise. Until we get rid of wars there will be a need for classified information & intelligence collection.  Right before our eyes here shit is going on with our money that must be stopped. Congress, itself, is another criminal enterprise. They create blank checks & the public can't figure out where the money goes. They write extremely complicated laws without reading them & then leave it to unelected regulators to make things up as they go.  We need to separate money from government & government from our money!

"Transparent" and "open" are terms for the same thing.  You rail here against governments and accuse Wikeleaks of crimes, but you are doing nothing effective to change our government, whereas Wikeleaks is.  Sometimes to change governments people need to act with civil disobedience against them ... otherwise they will never change.
SO YOU ARE FOR ANARCHY! - I am for a peaceful revolution !

It's not a binary choice.
If you are for Wikileaks you are for anarchy! Give me a BREAK!


Mark de LA says
seth 2010-12-04 10:21:05 14232
M 2010-12-04 10:17:58 14232
Apparently according to the White House we already have open government.
It's not a binary quality.
Why don't you throw the word binary around for effect, eh?

Seth says
M 2010-12-04 10:33:02 14232
seth 2010-12-04 10:19:06 14232
M 2010-12-04 10:15:13 14232
seth 2010-12-04 09:58:41 14232
C 2010-12-04 08:32:19 14232
seth 2010-12-04 06:25:19 14232
Apparently you are for open government.  To get us there, are you also for wikileaks?
TRANSPARENT! I don't know what you mean by open government.  Wikileaks is a criminal enterprise. Until we get rid of wars there will be a need for classified information & intelligence collection.  Right before our eyes here shit is going on with our money that must be stopped. Congress, itself, is another criminal enterprise. They create blank checks & the public can't figure out where the money goes. They write extremely complicated laws without reading them & then leave it to unelected regulators to make things up as they go.  We need to separate money from government & government from our money!

"Transparent" and "open" are terms for the same thing.  You rail here against governments and accuse Wikeleaks of crimes, but you are doing nothing effective to change our government, whereas Wikeleaks is.  Sometimes to change governments people need to act with civil disobedience against them ... otherwise they will never change.
SO YOU ARE FOR ANARCHY! - I am for a peaceful revolution !

It's not a binary choice.
If you are for Wikileaks you are for anarchy! Give me a BREAK!

Well your sentence "If you are for Wikileaks, you are for arnarchy" is false.  It is false not only because the propositions "[Seth] for Wikileaks" and "[Seth] for arnarchy" are not sufficiently defined, but also because they are not suffiently corrolated.  "It is not a binary choice" is just my simple and succinct way of saying all of that.  In other words the situation is not one of those kinds of situations where we can usefully apply the kind of logic you attempted to apply ... the situation is far more nuanced.  Your snip judgment offends my comprehension of that far more interesting and nuanced situation.

Mark de LA says
Nuances is where the lies hide.  Wow, something is so complex that the average citizen can't understand it so we, the government will tell you what to think & believe & what it all means. What is so nuanced that you can't see that Assange is self-aggrandizing & doesn't mind releasing classied information for his own benefits & is behaving quite openly like an anarchist.


Mark de LA says
From the Wikipedia:

Anarchy (from Greek: ἀναρχίᾱ anarchíā, "without ruler") may refer to any of the following:

  • "No rulership or enforced authority."[1]
  • "A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[2]
  • "Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."[3]
  • "Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."[4]
  • "Acting without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this." [5]


Mark de LA says
Pressure from the public is through the VOTE, not lawlessness. If you like lawlessness there are probably openings & opportunities in Afganistan & Somalia. The rule of law is slow but could speed up if we got the money out of the equation. 

Mark de LA says

The WikiLeaks Assault on the Rule of Law and National Security :

source: ...

Since Assange is not a citizen of this country and does not reside in the United States, it is unclear whether he has enough other contacts for the United States to seek his extradition and prosecution. If, for example, there was email correspondence between Manning (or whoever leaked the 91,000 documents) and Assange or one of his agents at WikiLeaks in which disclosure of classified information was solicited and accepted, and those emails went through a U.S. server, then that might be enough for federal prosecutors to reach Assange. But the Obama administration should not automatically assume that he is unreachable and the Justice Department should look hard at whether it has the ability to prosecute Assange as well as the leaker. If it cannot, then it should use its diplomatic leverage with our ally to see whether Assange can be prosecuted in Australia.


... See also the anti-war perspective at Heritage.



Mark de LA says
Where are all those progressives who threw a hissie-fit (& conducted a witch-hunt in the Bush Administration) about the Valerie Plame being outed as a CIA operative by Armitage to a now dead reporter Robert Novak ? I wonder if Assange threatens to out CIA operatives if he will be prosecuted?

Mark de LA says
seth 2010-12-05 10:57:59 14232
M 2010-12-05 09:41:54 14232
Terrorism? Wikileaks discloses a poison pill.  It certainly doesn't show up as a well-reasoned, consciencious display of ethical behavior, IMHO. 

Our governments are not going to conduct their business transparently (or  openly) without some kind of pressure from the public.  How do you propose to make them change? ... by blogging about it .

Julian Assange actions seem very well-reasoned to me ... especially his provisions for insurance.   It is interesting to note that the website, wikiLeaks.org,  apparently has lost its DNS records.   Thanks to Google we can still see it in their cache here ... from which i have found wikileaks on  facebook  here, which i have liked.
I wonder if we can force Obama to produce his real birth certificate or lack of one! I wonder if there are any wikileaks (wicki-pee) emails in the cache that weigh in on that situation.


Mark de LA says
seth 2010-12-05 15:23:14 14232
C 2010-12-05 13:34:58 14232
seth 2010-12-05 12:54:34 14232
M 2010-12-05 10:44:29 14232
Nuances is where the lies hide.  Wow, something is so complex that the average citizen can't understand it so we, the government will tell you what to think & believe & what it all means. What is so nuanced that you can't see that Assange is self-aggrandizing & doesn't mind releasing classied information for his own benefits & is behaving quite openly like an anarchist.

Well there is no doubt that he is fighting governments.  I don't know how to change governments to reflect our will without fighting governments in some situations.  Perhaps you can address that aspect of  what you characterize as "anarchy".
Show me something you can't do within the law & by voting & legal political action.

... get the government officials to stop classifying information just because it is embarrassing to them.
That's not why they classify information.  Go look up the meaning of the the 3 major military classifications: Secret, Top Secret & Confidential & their relation to damage that can be done to the country.

C says
seth 2010-12-05 12:54:34 14232
M 2010-12-05 10:44:29 14232
Nuances is where the lies hide.  Wow, something is so complex that the average citizen can't understand it so we, the government will tell you what to think & believe & what it all means. What is so nuanced that you can't see that Assange is self-aggrandizing & doesn't mind releasing classied information for his own benefits & is behaving quite openly like an anarchist.

Well there is no doubt that he is fighting governments.  I don't know how to change governments to reflect our will without fighting governments in some situations.  Perhaps you can address that aspect of  what you characterize as "anarchy".
Show me something you can't do within the law & by voting & legal political action.


Seth says
C 2010-12-05 13:34:58 14232
seth 2010-12-05 12:54:34 14232
M 2010-12-05 10:44:29 14232
Nuances is where the lies hide.  Wow, something is so complex that the average citizen can't understand it so we, the government will tell you what to think & believe & what it all means. What is so nuanced that you can't see that Assange is self-aggrandizing & doesn't mind releasing classied information for his own benefits & is behaving quite openly like an anarchist.

Well there is no doubt that he is fighting governments.  I don't know how to change governments to reflect our will without fighting governments in some situations.  Perhaps you can address that aspect of  what you characterize as "anarchy".
Show me something you can't do within the law & by voting & legal political action.

... get the government officials to stop classifying information just because it is embarrassing to them.

Seth says
Well, yes, that is not why they are supposed to classify information.  But that is why they do classify information.  Take a good look at the kind of information leaked and then tell me if that is really damaging the security of country, or more just damaging to the reputation of government officials.

Mark de LA says
seth 2010-12-05 17:21:03 14232
Well, yes, that is not why they are supposed to classify information.  But that is why they do classify information.  Take a good look at the kind of information leaked and then tell me if that is really damaging the security of country, or more just damaging to the reputation of government officials.
The facts are that you know nothing about classified information except what you read in blogs & the newspaper. You have no experience handling it nor any military experience defending it, nor puting your life at risk upon its disclosure. Mostly you are blowing out your ass.


Seth says
M 2010-12-06 10:05:48 14232
seth 2010-12-06 09:40:42 14232
And the fact is you have not refuted my claim.  It is not only common knowledge, but also common sense that officials will classify information for their only motive to allow themselves more latitude to operate ... latitude that is not always justified by the law of the land ... and does not necessarily improve our security.  If we want the public's business to be conducted openly and in our awareness, then that needs to be changed. 
Perhaps something like the parable of the Tares will open up your mind (& then maybe not). Consider:
CNN: ... WikiLeaks has published a secret U.S. diplomatic cable listing locations abroad that the U.S. considers vital to its national security, prompting criticism that the website is inviting terrorist attacks on American interests.
... a gift to terrorists everywhere.  Was this one classified to avoid embarrassment? How does the US protect both our interests & our freedoms by allowing such to be broadcast world-wide without consequence? Will broadcasting all classified info not include some serious consequences? Who appointed Assange as the final decider? Obama is supposed to have that authority & the ability to delegate it. 


I don't know what you are saying with your parable of the Tares.

Obviously we need to keep military secrets.  That is not in question.  Strangely enough secretary of defense, Gates, said that no military secrets have been compromised ... nor did he suspect that there were any in the poison pill.  We need deal with actual military secrets differently than we deal with political secrets.  If you keep munging those together we will never reach a common understanding.

Mark de LA says
Obviously you are playing with a distinction without a difference.  Classification of information is about protecting the country.  Any number of seemingly unrelated bits of information can be used against US by enemies foreign & domestic.  Information can be strategic or tactical.  During the cold war foreign agents payed people living in the US to gather newspaper clippings of things that would help them plan & gain advantage over the US.  With the Internet that probably is not going on as much especially when wikileaks delivers the choicest bits free of charge.  Who directs wikileaks what to look for?; which networks to hack?  A large portion of what is classified will eventually be declassified when it loses its intelligence value. If you were negotiating with someone for an agreement of substance do you think it a good idea that your strategies & tactics be revealed to everyone?


Mark de LA says
... currently transparency is lacking in the senate ratification discussions in the last minute negotions (just before Christmas).  Why does something as important as national defense have to be held in secret.
The treaty is not secret. Why the rush? Remember that the confidence game depends upon urgency.
no
laughing
matter

C says
seth 2010-12-20 07:14:06 14232
Bs ... Republicans have had months to read the treaty ... You are parroting r-w pea soup
The reading of the treaty is not the bad part, the treaty itself is the bad thing.  That they are talking about it in congress behind the public's back is also bad.  You seem to be the chunk of bull in the pea soup this morning.


C says
The one that nobody read was the omnibus spending atrocity.


Mark de LA says
Here is some a panel discussion on the Obama administration transparency.  The most egreggious lack is in the area of money - where it all has gone.


C says
Here is another case where transparency is absolutely necessary.  When members of congress, their families, & staff learn of investigations & other things not normally available to the public they can profit from the stock market. It's a nightmare to trace out. We need more transparency see: http://www.cnbc.com/id/45249857
source: ...

Generally, however, legal analysts say that Wall Street insider trading laws do not apply to Congress. As an open and public institution, the legal assumption has long been that any member of the public can have access to information about how Congress works. In practice, though, that's simply not true, as powerful members of Congress come into contact daily with market-moving tidbits. That gap between the law and the reality has made Capitol Hill a virtual free-fire zone for insider trading. Over the years, academic studies have found that members of the House of Representatives beat the market by as much as six percent per year and members of the Senate do even better than that. ...

Abramoff said that the most valuable type of information for Congressional insider trading is held by congressional investigators who pry deeply into corporate goings on. A particularly easy target is advance knowledge of the announcement of an investigative hearing into a company.

"Hearings under almost every circumstance are going to have a bad impact on a company," Abramoff said. "And so some staffers I've seen in the past talking about the fact that, 'Oh, I'm gonna go out and short that company.'"


...


Mark de LA says
From Drudge this AM:
Obama awards $433 million no-bid contract for questionable small pox drug to...

...a top donor!
How such contracts get awarded should be completely transparent & posted online for everyone to see.


Mark de LA says
‎"Transparency-Watch" is a joint project by "Transparency International – Macedonia" and the "Center for International Relations" allowing citizens to report cases of corruption by sending SMS from their mobile phones, sending an email, using the web form, the hashtag #korupcijaMK on twitter or by reporting on the phone.
........................................................
Borrowed from the Ushahidi website via facebook.
If it originated in Russia it is iteresting how it would work & go over with the free speech thingy we have here in America. You can push a button to translatge the link.


Seth says
Examples of what happens when the Transparency of the sausage making is shrouded in darkness:


OBAMACARE WILL QUESTION YOUR SEX LIFE...

Congress gets sneaky exemption from law...

... Punishes senator who tries to stop it


'There are death panels in there'...

POLL: Confusion reigns...



Seth says
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/30/white-house-visitor-list_n_3844819.html
source: ...

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court ruled Friday that White House visitor logs for the president and most of his staff are not public information subject to disclosure requirements of the Freedom of Information Act.

The 3-0 decision would keep the visitor records confidential for up to 12 years after President Barack Obama leaves office.

...


Seth says
seth 2013-09-18 08:15:29 14232
ME 2013-09-18 07:57:48 14232
On & on .... they go - West Wing visitors & east wing visitors & conferences with only one side (now democrats) ....


First lady summit on food


marketing closed to media...


Well what's she is doing there seems to be something that should be done.  Getting the "food industry" to re-orient to manufacturing and advertising of healthier food is, me thinks, a laudable endeavor.  I'm glad somebody with some sort of klout has taken up this clarion call.  Doing is apart from the dazzeling view of the public, and the incessant view of the obama bashers, is definitely indicated.

Why is it that you seem to almost always come down on the wrong side of a thing?
Why does the White House always have to do things in secret.  I'll tell you - they want NO opposition - one party rule & dictatorship in their dealings then they can work their crony capitalistic ways & bribes to get things done the way they want them.


Seth says
seth 2013-09-18 10:07:15 14232
ME 2013-09-18 09:16:53 14232
Seth is for transparency but NOT his own party - mostly for whistle blowers & traitors.

things are very and extremely context sensitive over here.

for example, in my rentonfoodcoop.org group, we just recently had some in semi deapth discussions about our own transparency to the community.  i was for conducting our business entirely in the public eye ... others wanted a wall ... in the end we decided to make a secret part of the group.  there are reasons for these walls.  there are reasons against these walls.  each wall, me thinks, needs to be carefully weighed.
Yep - that's why classified information for the military & the spy agencies exist.  Glad you finally arrived!   For a food coop I doubt need is for secrecy unless you are planning criminal behavior.


Seth says
An example of non-transparency in election campaigns:
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2013/09/hillary-clintons-image-control-security-swipes-mans-phone-erases-pic-of-her-at-speech.html
Saying one thing to your donors & special audiences & another to the M$M the authenticity & openness reeks with deception. Remember how Romney said something meant to be private to a group of his donors & it got spread throughout the media - something about the lower x% wont care about some money issue (because they don't!) & it got distorted by the M$M?


Mark de LA says
Another point of view: http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3246


Mark de LA says
Adding to the pile here: http://video.foxnews.com/v/5272373883001/?#sp=show-clips (embed code is a script)

Assange: Secrecy leads to incompetence in government


Seth says

Seth says
i think secrecy bubbles are necessary for focus.  but once the bubble produces something for the #world,  then the secrecy bubble should burst in the context of that production.  ← just thiking.live out loud, off the top of my head.

Mark de LA says
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/15/house-moves-to-block-access-to-records-foia-242791  ←  nothing changes except the smell of the swamp gets worse .  The government elite are detached from the people.

Mark de LA says
FYI – the cartoon of the week:
null

Seth says
yeah funny…

#Trump using reasonable democrats added to votes from moderate republicans
to form a coalition might actually have the consequence of piratical legislation …
   stubborn idealogs spines nullnotwistanding
i call that progress
or at least getting past stopped.

Mark de LA says
Xor, Pelosi & Schumer are leftist idealogues, but #CBG .  Anyway I always root for a government shutdown in hopes that they quit doing things like sail their air boats around the swamp on taxpayer $$$
null

Seth says
yeah kind of like your swamp or mine null
corruption is corruption,
no matter which side you are on.

What if there were no corruption?


Mark de LA says
This item is about transparency – don’t get lost! null

Mark de LA says

Rudolf Steiner developed his ideas about the Threefold Commonwealth and many other of his practical insights, such as biodynamic farming and Waldorf education, in response to the reality of his times. He sought an evolution of social life and all its aspects and would celebrate, even ennoble, what it means to be human in the face of an increasingly dehumanizing culture.

From the 100th anniversary of RS’s Threefold Commonwealth

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