Numerology of Seth Inspired by item 14621

About: the heart chakra


seth 2010-11-26 17:18:21 [item 14621]
M 2010-11-26 17:06:35 [item 14621]
seth 2010-11-26 09:36:07 [item 14621]
M 2010-11-26 08:16:28 [item 14621]
seth 2010-11-26 07:55:13 [item 14621]
It is interesting to note that 6 is the product of the first two prime numbers; and that 12 is the next number in that progression sequence :  (2 * 3) * (2 * 3) * (2 * 3) .... 

It might be interesting to contemplate the progress to the next progression: (2 * 3 * 5) * (2 * 3 * 5) * (2 * 3 * 5) * (2 * 3 * 5) * (2 * 3 * 5) ...

and so on ...
This doesn't really apply - the number we are summing to is 12. We don't need a progression. You can delete it.

I don't understand your objection here.  The number 12 is in fact the product of (2 * 3 ) * ( 2 ), and as such is in my progression above.  It is but a step to the full 36.  What is it that does not apply about this?
The numerology is interesting but the 12-petal lotus is just that a 12 petaled lotus.  It does not multiply or expand. The numerology here is a distraction from the 6 virtues I am explolring.
Well my diversion into "numerology" was inspired by the text in your item ...
source: body of item above
They express the sacred quality of the number twelve which we have in the twelve Apostles, the twelve knights of King Arthur, and again in all creation, in all action. Everything in the world develops according to twelve different aspects.
To me the quality of the number twelve (sacred or whatever) is governed by my considerations above.  You see, i believe that the prime factors of a number determine its unique quality

Well then go here if you like & perhaps here. The numerology is a side track from the main quality of the heart or what the anahata chakra is up to. You might turn it into a separate item referencing back to this one if you like.

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C says
You have mixed an untruth with a truth & called it a truth. People who are clairvoyant claim they can see other people's chakras. They may or not use some of the 5 senses to do so. Your statement is irrelevant anyway. You are imagining numbers can randomly or in a series apply to the world at large & use as supporting documentation a work of fiction. The chakras have been documented for centuries. Whether or not you think they exist is your conundrum. I find some evidence that they do exist & am exploring it. Perhaps they can be hastened through Art, Music and/or drama or some other means for the good of the World.  My exploration doesn't require your belief in them or some imaginary numerological thingy. Most numerology is superstition anyway.

C says
seth 2010-11-30 05:32:45 14638
M 2010-11-28 12:28:29 14638
BTW, there is no 36 petaled lotus chakra!

... so if i want to make myself a 36 petal chakra, i can't do it because God made all of my Charkras for me and he didn't think i needed that?
Why not go with 15 fingers to along with 3 thumbs?


Seth says
C 2010-11-30 06:25:56 14638
seth 2010-11-30 06:14:24 14638
C 2010-11-30 05:43:05 14638
seth 2010-11-30 05:32:45 14638
M 2010-11-28 12:28:29 14638
BTW, there is no 36 petaled lotus chakra!

... so if i want to make myself a 36 petal chakra, i can't do it because God made all of my Charkras for me and he didn't think i needed that?
Why not go with 15 fingers to along with 3 thumbs?

Chakaras, unlike fingers, cannot be observed with the 5 senses outside of the being to which they belong.
Not true. Anyway as long as you are making things up - enjoy!
Huh?  So are you saying that Charkras can be observed outside of the being to which they belong?  Then why have they not been studied by natural science?  No, my friend, my sentence "Chakaras, unlike fingers, cannot be observed with the 5 senses outside of the being to which they belong." is true.  But yes, my idea that you could make yourself a 36 petal Chakara is just my own imagination.

Mark de LA says
BTW, there is no 36 petaled lotus chakra!


C says
seth 2010-12-01 07:07:40 14638
What brought all that on?
Seth(above): ... Interestingly enough, though, this discussion is bringing out quite a bit about how you and i think differently about the spiritual world. 


... I thought I would shed some light on my approach


C says
seth 2010-11-30 05:40:30 14638
BTW, if you want to go with the famous 42 spiral  just choose (2 * 3  * 7) for the first spiral.  Sorry 5 is odd man out.
I don't know wtf you are talking about here.


Seth says
C 2010-11-30 05:43:40 14638
seth 2010-11-30 05:40:30 14638
BTW, if you want to go with the famous 42 spiral  just choose (2 * 3  * 7) for the first spiral.  Sorry 5 is odd man out.
I don't know wtf you are talking about here.

42 is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything

Seth says
M 2010-11-30 10:27:56 14638
seth 2010-11-30 09:18:04 14638
source: M above
You are imagining numbers can [randomly or] in a series apply to the world at large
Well numbers in a series (or a progression) do in fact apply to the world at large, the  the natural world, the world studied by natural science.  Remember Gregory's study of how plant growth can be described with numbers.  In fact series and progressions are very useful to described and predict natural phenomenon .  I don't know of any particular reason why that they cannot also be used to predict and describe psychological phenomenon.  Do you?  When RS takes his Lotus flower from 6 to 12 he is in fact applying a progression to his supernatural world.  I just carried it a step further.  Sorry, that my synthesis seems to have hit you the wrong way.



The math/geometric nature of the growth of plants existed long before Greg discovered it; he got it out of the concepts in a botany class & studying RS & Goethe. The count of the petals on the lotus or chakras is an occult fact, not a synthesis from a mathematical series.  What they do & their evolution & the meaning of it all is a matter for research.  I don't think you can just say here is a nice series of numbers lets us apply it to describe the fingers on hands & feet or petals on a chakra (as described by RS in Initiation & Its Results, they are not really lotus flowers nor petals but that's the closest analogy he could come up with at the time)  with the numbers you choose. 
 

Well the sentences that i blued above are certainly true, but i have no idea why your would emphasize them here nor what you are implying by stating them.  Interestingly enough, though, this discussion is bringing out quite a bit about how you and i think differently about the spiritual world. 

But i still find that, regardless of our different approaches, some of your sentences continue to be just false ... and that you would even agree to that after all the semantic confusion was eliminated not to mention the imparative to be right.  For example, obviously I can just say: {5 } is the number of fingers on a hand, {2 * 2} is the number of limbs, and {5 * 2 * 2}  is the number of digits on a human ... so there i have just said "here is a nice series of numbers lets us apply it to describe the fingers on hands & feet" ... but you said above that you didnt't think i could do that (for some totally baffeling reason to me).

Obviously numbers apply to the physical reality that we can verify with our 5 senses.  If there are 12 petals in the Heart Chakara, then numbers can also apply to spiritual reality.  We can apply numbers to patterns wherever we find them.  Genesthai applied {2 * 3} * {2} and {2 * 2 * 2} when he synthesized the magical cube and i believe that RS has applied {6 * 2} to the Heart Chakara drawing on the same manner of perception.  My own spass in this item, however childish and groping, is just the same kind of application of numbers to what might exist. 



 

Mark de LA says
seth 2010-11-30 09:18:04 14638
source: M above
You are imagining numbers can [randomly or] in a series apply to the world at large
Well numbers in a series (or a progression) do in fact apply to the world at large, the  the natural world, the world studied by natural science.  Remember Gregory's study of how plant growth can be described with numbers.  In fact series and progressions are very useful to described and predict natural phenomenon .  I don't know of any particular reason why that they cannot also be used to predict and describe psychological phenomenon.  Do you?  When RS takes his Lotus flower from 6 to 12 he is in fact applying a progression to his supernatural world.  I just carried it a step further.  Sorry, that my synthesis seems to have hit you the wrong way.



The math/geometric nature of the growth of plants existed long before Greg discovered it; he got it out of the concepts in a botany class & studying RS & Goethe. The count of the petals on the lotus or chakras is an occult fact, not a synthesis from a mathematical series.  What they do & their evolution & the meaning of it all is a matter for research.  I don't think you can just say here is a nice series of numbers lets us apply it to describe the fingers on hands & feet or petals on a chakra (as described by RS in Initiation & Its Results, they are not really lotus flowers nor petals but that's the closest analogy he could come up with at the time)  with the numbers you choose. 
 


C says
seth 2010-11-30 06:14:24 14638
C 2010-11-30 05:43:05 14638
seth 2010-11-30 05:32:45 14638
M 2010-11-28 12:28:29 14638
BTW, there is no 36 petaled lotus chakra!

... so if i want to make myself a 36 petal chakra, i can't do it because God made all of my Charkras for me and he didn't think i needed that?
Why not go with 15 fingers to along with 3 thumbs?

Chakaras, unlike fingers, cannot be observed with the 5 senses outside of the being to which they belong.
Not true. Anyway as long as you are making things up - enjoy!

Mark de LA says

RS used 12/2 as his basis since there are 12 and only half are developed.  The cube was developed from the Yi King whose yins & yangs are a binary numbering system. Eight unique trigrams happens to correspond to the eight corners of the cube.  Others have made that correspondence independently (I think). I remember seeing it once in Scientific American. What form of map you may choose is an independent & free choice. The nature of geometry is not random.  There may be a correspondence between the sephiroth of the Tree of Life (Otz CHiiM) & the chakras, but I have not found it & defer it until I get the basics down - there are 12 spheres one of them infinite on the TofL.  There may be a correspondence between the cross-ratio in projective geometry & the riddle of time.  I hope I get around to that one!
     In my research, I try not to reinvent the wheel & start with the works of those who have traveled similar paths before me.  If they turn out to be inconsistent I abandon them. If they look like they will lead to insanity I abandon them (hopefully). Otherwise I try to create living thoughts of them & extrapolate & personalise & expand the research.  You may or not appreciate that I have 4 years at UCLA of Chemistry & Mathematics & 2 years of physics under my belt.  I am familiar with computers & the scientific method. From early childhood I have been able to distinguish what is merely rhetoric & argumentation from what someone passes on as experience &/or speculation.  I have also done the seminars on ontology, NLP & the like from TR, MH, PR, & LEC.  If I discover something new I will likely share it with you, Seth.  Mostly, it is a process of self-discovery which may or not apply to others. Like RR says, I do not care who gets the credit any more.

C says
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As an aside, Mathematica can connect the Golden Ratio (Golden Mean) with the number of the beast here:
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... ha ha


Seth says

Well the golden ratio does connect the world in numbers to the natural world.  But I take the number of the beast, 666, to have been chosen by men to have some special significance.  It is like i like 3 more than 2 and hence identify myself with 3, or i admire lions and call myself "Lion".  The former type of relationship is descriptive ... in that we can say that the golden ratio describes the proportions of the human body.   The latter type of relationship between number and thing is one of just naming. 

Hopefully 6 evolving into 12 is descriptive of something.

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