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Seth says
nathan we need the ability to put widgets on each others thoughts if we have the rights to write in that group.  I used to have the ability to edit thoughts of others in group funnypages.   Now i can not even add a widget on top. 

Si says
You should have the same rights as for editing the thought. We were both editing widgets at the same in group test for instance.

Are you sure you are logged into group funnypages?

Seth says

Seth says
no somehow i had lost my signon. 

Si says
The widgets have z-indexes that are carefully coordinated with the rest of thought elements … so they may not play with old cartoons which have a totally different z-index system. Just the way of evolution.

Seth says

Seth says
i am surprised that they even coexist at all null

Si says
As per your original spec, the owner of a group is anyone who is logged in to it. There is an originator recorded, but that has no special meaning to the system … not even auto login. Groups are shared equally by all who can log into them, as per the original spec.

Seth says

Seth says
The origninal group funnypages was designed to open in cartoon mode all ready for even a guest to use it.  It did garner some attention and was even fun for me to play with some of the flakey things annoymous geeks did.   This new one could be deployed in a similary way in some thinking domain.

Si says
Perhaps. But way back last year, when we were switching to full identities, you said that you didn’t care if funnypages maintained it’s special characteristics because it was mostly getting spam anyway.

Now in the new system, it could be a group that allows thoughts by anyone, though guests are currently excluded from creating thoughts.

Seth says
there are lots of ways to use these domains … the more felible and the less forced restrictions the better.

for example:  the ability to create a url into the domain that would open up the widgets panels even for a guest to use immediately.  

for things like this there are always just as many resasons not to do it as one can imagine.  

and just as very many others ones to do it as well.  nullnull

Si says
Well, according to your own stories about all these different free, anonymous, things you have tried over the years, here and at your other domains, they end up attracting more spam than useful interaction. And that is what others out there have found as well. There is a huge spam machine out there, millions of people being paid dribbles of money, to constantly hunt the web for places they can leave advertising, especially anonymously. Once they get your sent, your done for.

Like it or not, that’s the facts, and you have experienced it, even though you want something different. It’s your solid story and your not likely to rewrite it in your lifetime, especially because you don’t believe you have that kind of control over your own story. null

So it is not exciting to spend time on aspects of a system that are destined to be discarded after they prove to be impractical in today’s common story … and I have no personal interest in rewriting my story either, logging in to the few places I care to interact is quite fine with me.

Seth says
the open cartoons attracted almost no advertising spam.  ← your facts are not accurate.

Mark would call it “selfie” spam.  There was some of that … if that is what you want to call it.  There was some very youthful just experminting.  I loved that stuff.  There were mostly pepple not understanding how to use it and loosing interest rapidly.   Interesting events and opuses are rare,  … er, maybe that is why they are interesting.   Lot’s of totally innnane things float by.  It was like a treasure hunt in chaos.

I personally enjoyed interacting with the rare possibilities that actually did emerge.  It was a small part of my day.

I saw much more interesting things happen on other open websites than what happened in group funnypages … i chalk that up to it’s lack of development.   Eventually that same kind of happenings flowed to Web 4.0 sites like instagram. 

Si says
Even instagram requires identity and login. If you want this, then change your story. Stop being so pig headed about that door you put up and won’t open.

Seth says
well there were sites that predated instigram which were completely open.  i could find them if you doubt, i am sure i referenced it early in fastblogit here.   I used to frequent them. 

a completely open site allowing writing on the public web is a thing that few web developers have have had the courage to do.   i have done it.   i do not regret doing it.   I have learned in the  process.   At some point I may well do it again.   it is a thing … perhaps not your thing, but that is pretty much irrelivant to me.

There is no change of story that needs to happen here,  except perhaps the story you are telling, and the door you youself are thinking about.

Incidentally i couldn’t care less whether you want to do the programming that would permit a completely open group at fastblogit or in thinking domains in general.  currently I have no such agenda. 

But in general the more of these contrived restrictions you make up for thinking domains, the less in general they will be useable for others.   You see freedom is a great thing, but it is not just for yourself.  It is for others as well.  Maybe a door there for you to go through, eh?

Si says
I have exactly the freedom I desire and write into my story at the moment. This is not of interest to me, I agree. It’s like covering ones clothes (not naked body) with honey and then jumping into a giant bin of fluffy feathers. Might be fun naked, but the way you do it with clothes on, is very uninteresting.

Seth says

Seth says
The more powerful and natural to use are the tools that are provided, then the more interesting things people will express with them.   Your widgets are to my cartoons in that regard as a horse and buggy is to a farrariah.  So yes, stickey honey indeed.  But i am not sure how “clothes” fits in with your story.  

But it is interesting to me how you are apparently oblivious to the part of my message that “Freedom is not just for yourself”.   null  …. you’re not going through that door, eh?

Si says
Since before the time a Babylon, a wise man said “No man makes a slave of another, one only makes a slave of oneself”. Freedom is for oneself. There are no free people, there are only free individuals, and it makes no difference if they are among other free individuals or not, either way. Freedom radiates from within.

I agree that freedom is not just for myself, and know that no one can join me in freedom until they free themselves.

The clothes are all the inauthentic trappings you wrap around yourself. All your “no”s, all your habits of traditional thought, all your fears of being naked you exposed freely to the world of others around you – totally responsible for your entire experience without putting any of it on any other being to bear or create. Your ideas about what others are isolate you, restrict you, protect you. It is the cocoon of your clothes … not the naked you being exactly what you have made yourself to be, but you hiding parts of yourself behind the permissions and judgments and respect, of others.

Seth says

Seth says
Good stuff, you should listen to it yourself.

“Freedom is for oneself” and “for all of us individual humans just in so far as we take it”.  But the meme that “No man makes a slave of another” contradicts the experience of history.  That meme echos in the “blame the victum” projected rationalizations that i hear so often from the new age thinking which became popular in the 70’s and perputuates even today.

Si says
Victims create their reality, it is a fact. Perpetrators participate, it is a fact. There is no need to ever blame anyone, that is where the fault lies. The understanding is prevalent in new age thinking because it is true … and anyone who opens the door, fully understands that.

Doesn’t justify anything. People participate … it’s how we experience. And we each are fully responsible for our own experience, however we write it, which ever side we experience, and we generate the feelings we have about it and for the same external experience, any feeling is possible, it is up to us.

Seth says
You may not know it, but i have personally never gotten into the whole “blame” for past deeds.  In fact a long time ago i invented an anti meme to blaiming …

Blame should preceed a deed, not follow it.

Bozo Faust ~ 1960

I coded it differently back then, it iwas more like, “Shame should preceed a deed and prevent it”.  Maybe Mark might remember me saying that.  I like my new version, it makes no unnecessary judgements. 

When i talk of the popular “blame the victim” memes of today’s new age culture, i am not talking about justifying blaming anybody whatsoever.  Thinking that is a distraction from what i thought.