Net Neutrality

A bit more info about this pea soup ...
source: FCC passes first net neutrality rules
Last spring, a federal appeals court said the FCC overstepped its authority by sanctioning Comcast for blocking access to users of BitTorrent's peer-to-peer sharing application.
... I for one am glad that Comcast now does not have the "right" to block an app for whatever reason.  I also feel that my government is acting on my behalf in this regard.  Large telcom corporations have too much power to control our communications media. It is right that agents that are supposed to work for us and in our interest can now act to preserve our free access.  

The hypocritical position from Republicans shows their true stripes.  I though Republicans were for the freedom of  we people.  But no, they always side with their pocket books which are controlled by moneys from big business ( see more about that in this fb dialogue ... note that Jim Hendler is one of the Internet founders).  I would be a Republican were it not that they are controlled by big money. 

What amazes me is that big money can get little people to go against their own best interest and parrot their mantras.  Perhaps it is all about the American Dream ... they get people to think that some day they will be rich and will then bask in all those advantages.  Why dread the manipulation and mind control of the future ...  we have it today ... and most Republicans are caught in it ... and apparently don't even know.

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Comments


Seth says
M 2010-12-21 13:06:22 14730
Like I said before: "this blog is all about pea soup" maybe we should change its name.  When you are aware of everything that is really on the table (or your lunch is naked!) & not much before then, then you can begin to be present to what is more real & transform what needs to be transformed.  

Yeah you said it before, hopefully you won't say it again, it doesn't give you an excuse to recite rw mantras on my blog.

And wtf does "aware of everything that is really on the table" mean in a context where all you are attending is one side of the issue?

Mark de LA says
Like I said before: "this blog is all about pea soup" maybe we should change its name.  When you are aware of everything that is really on the table (or your lunch is naked!) & not much before then, then you can begin to be present to what is more real & transform what needs to be transformed.  


Mark de LA says
What is interesting is that the commission granted itself powers to regulate. Even more interesting, as an aside, is that there are lots of headlines that question who's on top e.g.
FCC Gives Government Power to Regulate Web Traffic - i.e. a government commission gives the government power to ....
source: ...

"The FCC is making an overall pronouncement about its authority, but undoubtedly, there's going to be litigation against it," said Rebecca Tushnet, a professor at Gerogetown University who specializes in digital media. "One of the grounds of attack against the FCC will be that it can't do this without congressional approval."


... but who cares they are all lame ducks on their way to a Christmas goose, eh

Seth says
C 2010-12-21 12:30:02 14730
seth 2010-12-21 11:53:37 14730
M 2010-12-21 11:39:30 14730
With trillion $ budgets cobbled together ad hoc in secret why are you not worried about "Big Government" instead?  As long as you imagine that your people are in power you will applaud. Nobody rules forever, though! The people woke up & threw out 60+ democrats to prove it.  The lame ducks are trying to ram through as much as possible before their time is up.  Now they are taking power without congressional approval at all.  What next, a HugoChavez-style ruling by decree?

I am worried about big government ... that's why i said i would be a Republican.  Thing is that government should balance big business, but in American politics it does not ... especially on the republican side of the aisle.  And, yes, democrats are not any better  ... all American politics is being run by big money ... not by people.   But at least the democrats mantras don't always favor the interests of money. 
Well, the Democrat party meme of "big business" & tax the rich barely rises above the grammar school fairy tale of Robin Hood. It may have been good in the days of a King, but we are supposed to have representative government. Basically, we the people don't mind paying for the legitimate government expenses restricted to the U.S. Constitution. Today, we don't even have transparent government enough to know where our money goes.  We just have to write blank checks to the government who continually asks for more (under threat of fines or imprisonment).
Until the day when the economy is run by the people, absent government, & capital is run at the local level we will continue to have this pea soup.  Conservatives are ruled by principle of individual responsibility while Liberals are ruled by identity-group politics: pretty simple, eh?

Hopefully you realize that you are barfing up pea soup at greenest.

Mark de LA says
seth 2010-12-22 08:47:55 14730
M 2010-12-21 13:06:22 14730
Like I said before: "this blog is all about pea soup" maybe we should change its name.  When you are aware of everything that is really on the table (or your lunch is naked!) & not much before then, then you can begin to be present to what is more real & transform what needs to be transformed.  

Yeah you said it before, hopefully you won't say it again, it doesn't give you an excuse to recite rw mantras on my blog.

And wtf does "aware of everything that is really on the table" mean in a context where all you are attending is one side of the issue?
Your use of the pea soup distinction shows you don't understand the point of it all. You use it to play the RWG.  That is what causes me to have to repeat myself. You do quite well expressing your half of the argumentation.  What is not said is, rather than your position & stand, what gives you your being out of that stand.  What is that being up to by taking that stand .... etc. Those are the things on the table that still need unconcealing! I take my stands mostly out of liberty (while I still can) & belief in the individual who can excel if he takes responsibility for his own conditions & actions. The more of that which is disclosed in almost any argument the more agreement is a possibility.  There may always be the opportunity for agreement where stuff is held at the level of human being.

Seth says
source: Tim Boudreau on fb comment here
I think it's more like money *is* their beliefs.

I recall hearing about a lawsuit won against towns which provided free internet access to their citizens, based on the claim that it was unfair competition with commercial services. So, basic...ally, if you get a population of poor people to genuinely believe they are going to be rich some day, you can get them to self-identify with the interests of those making a profit off their backs. Now throw in quasi-religious faith in unfettered free markets, and you can sell net neutrality as the government interfering in the operation of markets, and if you let them get away with it this time, they'll interfere again when its time for you to make your millions. That's basically the (il)logic.

To be fair, you should also throw in quite a bit of indoctrination along the lines of "Jesus wants rich people to be rich and you to be poor - that's why rich people are rich and you're poor - but you can be poor and feel good about it if you give some of your money to our church".

The astonishing thing is that it works.
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... Well said ... my sentiments exactly.

Seth says
source: M above
Your use ... shows you don't .... You use it to ....   You do quite ...
I suggest you would do better at writing true sentences if you would make yourself the subject rather than me; the way you are talking it appears as if you know nothing about the subject.


Seth says
Look, Mark ... if you always state your position ... and i always state my position ... then we end up just having RWG ... and that fucking makes pea soup. 

What amazes me is that you don't seem to realize this. 

To go to the next step in comprehending the problem you need to start demonstrating an understanding of where telcom monopoly and manipulation of this market is going to hurt.  Get past the buzz word knee jerk reactions.  Unregulated free market competition is great! But power can become centralized in monopolies and advantaged corporations and competition stops ... and barriers will start to appear in our internet communication spaces ... just like they already have in the cell phone and broadcast spaces.  That is not something that i want to see happening. If you want to study this ... to get to the bottom of it ... then really study both sides of the issue.  Doing it in an advertorial way is just RWG and i want no part of it. 

Seth says
U 2010-12-22 10:34:47 14730
seth 2010-12-22 09:38:48 14730
source: M above
Your use ... shows you don't .... You use it to ....   You do quite ...
I suggest you would do better at writing true sentences if you would make yourself the subject rather than me; the way you are talking it appears as if you know nothing about the subject.

But you are the subject when I make it so....

But when you do, mostly your sentences are false.

( your emotion to my response  should be) ... (my emotion to your response above was more like )

Seth says
source: M above
Get over it! The RWG is not the same as Pea Soup except in your mind. The Pea Soup distinction is mostly about the ever present, already always zen of the Tao!
Well "RWG" has different semantics than "Pea Soup" ... the former being a kind of social interaction, the latter being a resulting symptom of that kind of interaction.   Thing is if we can manage to stop the RWG, then perhaps we can better navigate the pea soup that has grown up.  Conflicting motives in situations will always be there ... yes, that is the zen of it.  The RWG of it is not seeing both sides.


Seth says
M 2010-12-26 16:58:21 14730
If the FCC Had Regulated the Internet - A counterfactual history of cyberspace.
A fake but plausible history - kinda scary!
That might make an interesting read.  

Another one on a more serious note might be aaron swartz's:  A Censorship-Resistant Web ... or even my own rant about "We don't need no stinking domains" in regards to sticky cyber molecules ... sorry can't lay my fingers directly on that at the moment.

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