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A WSJ Review of book of Irving Kristol's collected essays.
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In later decades, those same teachings were what prompted Kristol's definition of a neoconservative as "a liberal who has been mugged by reality": that is, someone essentially hopeful of human progress who  however reluctantly" musters the ability to confront the forces that would thwart it.
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A shorter essay by a man who wore the label proudly can be found in the Weekly Standard, the August 25, 2003 issue: The Neoconservative Persuasion - What it was, and what it is.
The political n-word, neocon, is usually used by people who have never read from the originators of the "persuasion".  It is similar in nature to a label that might be used to describe Aleister Crowley as an evil witch without ever reading any of his works or only the works of others who describe him so.
     BTW, I am more a "threefoldist", but that word is only just beginning to evolve tangibly from it's origin in Anthroposophy. Libertarian is more my persuasion in current context. I agree with some of a lot of these ideas as well as others. In college I was a liberal or more likely a wild eyed utopian. Like anything new (neo or otherwise) it evolves & sometimes gets perverted from it's origin. We see that in the Republic of Plato, Democracy in America - Tocqueville & the Threefold Commonwealth of Dr. Rudolf Steiner as well as occult orders of the O.T.O. , A.'.A.'., & the G.'.B.'.G.'.

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Seth says
M 2011-01-27 06:45:34 14854
"the Ultimate Secret cannot be revealed externally" is a Zen statement about the seat of your consciousness

Ok, i can accept that .
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- 'nuff said!
I actually think that, intellectually, we could improve that understanding by  refining our references ... in particular "Ultimate Secret" ... it is not at all clear to me what that refers to.  The rest of the, presumably true, sentence is fairly crystal.


Mark de LA says
Each generation of individuals can decide for itself whether it wants to become food for the Gods or manure for the next one!

Mark de LA says
There is something about a riddle or secret that keeps me interested & keeps me in the inquiry like a puzzle to be solved or a mystery to unfold. 
 
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Mark de LA says
seth 2011-01-24 08:01:34 14854
Well re ..
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I really like the idea of our experiences, (pleasures etc), are the Gods eating them .

Do you know what GW's reference to "Clear Consciousness of the Three-fold Sun, Becoming the Oracle of that Sun" meant?

Then, of course, i would think that "the Ultimate Secret cannot be revealed externally!" is just Occult bs.

Well, your assigning the occult to bs notwithstanding, I speculate that you just don't appreciate secrets.  Outside of the military which is basically "none of your business" there are things that if revealed too soon can harm a person.  This is delicate, but I suspect you wouldn't teach a 4-year old child what to do with his sex organs- you & I both have the morals not do so & neither are we inclined to do so. Why? You can put that together on your own.  There are other things which are just plain out of season, or the wrong time.  GW has said that all magick is black & that such evil is just the wrong thing at the wrong time. All secrets will be revealed in some future. You wouldn't teach a person how to use a chain saw before he was old enough to lift it & avoid cutting off his hand.  From the table of Fu-Hsi the trigram 3 has the force & attributes of the Sun. 3-3-3 (threefold Sun)  would probably represent the G.'.B.'.G.'. or the Holy Grail etc. Christ is also associated with the Sun in occult circles. CFR also wrote an early paper for the Occult Digest in 1933  published again on Breck's website here . Beyond that there are many secrets such as exactly what you were doing all day long on your 3rd birthday.  If you were conscious you can only specify it in generalities. Right now, according to RS, the secret of a new undiscovered energy is waiting for mankind to develop itself to the point that it will avoid destroying itself because his moral life is still just past infancy. The secret is within & prolly just refers to some kind of Satori.


Seth says
Well my experience has been that when one is not "sufficiently prepared" to receive some knowledge, it is just ignored, filtered out, or is just rejected.  How-to knowledge is a bit different, you don't want to tell a person how to do something that you don't want them to do.  I just question which kind of information is being referred to when GW says "the Ultimate Secret cannot be revealed externally!".   I don't trust that kind of statement.  It implies, "I know something, that you don't", and then opens up the possibility of dishonest manipulation.  On the other hand if the kind of information just does not travel well ... being too open to subjective interpretation ... then i would prefer that to be coded as the lack of an ability to express ... which is what i think it is.

Mark de LA says
seth 2011-01-26 08:49:08 14854
Well my experience has been that when one is not "sufficiently prepared" to receive some knowledge, it is just ignored, filtered out, or is just rejected.  How-to knowledge is a bit different, you don't want to tell a person how to do something that you don't want them to do.  I just question which kind of information is being referred to when GW says "the Ultimate Secret cannot be revealed externally!".   I don't trust that kind of statement.  It implies, "I know something, that you don't", and then opens up the possibility of dishonest manipulation.  On the other hand if the kind of information just does not travel well ... being too open to subjective interpretation ... then i would prefer that to be coded as the lack of an ability to express ... which is what i think it is.
Something secret or forbidden sometimes makes you just want to do them even more:
Out past the cornfields where the woods got heavy
Out in the back seat of my '60 Chevy
Workin' on mysteries without any clues
Workin' on our night moves
Trying' to make some front page drive-in news
Workin' on our night moves in the summertime
In the sweet summertime
    -
Bob Seger Night Moves


[More lyrics: url http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob+seger/#share]
 

Seth says
source: M above
Something secret or forbidden sometimes makes you just want to do them even more
Oh, so then it just a PR game ... essentially a lie.  And, yes, i believe the sentence you wrote above is true.

Mark de LA says
You seem to have a problem with the fact that GW might know something that you don't.  That may be an ego problem!
OTOH, once in an altered state the Universe confronted me with the absolute judgement that from a Cosmic perspective Seth was smarter than Mark. 
I pondered that as an eek! for a while & then thought to myself: If that is so then perhaps I can learn from him & if it's not then perhaps I can teach him something or if on this "absolute scale" we are equal then we can journey as friends & share on the path of life.

Mark de LA says
seth 2011-01-26 09:04:45 14854
source: M above
Something secret or forbidden sometimes makes you just want to do them even more
Oh, so then it just a PR game ... essentially a lie.  And, yes, i believe the sentence you wrote above is true.
It might be many things at once - prolly nothing nefarious. Now, where's my cup of tea?


Seth says
M 2011-01-26 09:13:35 14854
You seem to have a problem with the fact that GW might know something that you don't.  That may be an ego problem!
OTOH, once in an altered state the Universe confronted me with the absolute judgement that from a Cosmic perspective Seth was smarter than Mark. 
I pondered that as an eek! for a while & then thought to myself: If that is so then perhaps I can learn from him & if it's not then perhaps I can teach him something or if on this "absolute scale" we are equal then we can journey as friends & share on the path of life.
I don't have a problem with GW knowing something that i don't ... truly not ... my only regret would be that he was not able to express it to me ... and/or that i was not able to understand it.  I have about the same attitude twards sombody else knowing something that i don't as you have expressed above.

I still say that statements like "the Ultimate Secret cannot be revealed externally" are just occult BS and that whole culture would do well to get rid of them.  Your mileage, now, is totally going to vary.

Mark de LA says

Apparently you do not think that information can be harmful. For example, what would you do with the information about your own or a close friend's or your son's exact time & place of death? Most of the occult stuff of GW's time is spread all over the Internet, now.  He & RS have expressed that in previous times mathematics was something taught only in the Pythagoras & others' mystery schools lest the consciousness souls develop too soon.  Perhaps it is all a scheme to test your moral judgement & other stuff along the line of CFR's SILENCE -The Lightning Path. Perhaps .....




Mark de LA says
Maybe, I should remove the body of this item & replace it with material not related to neocons.


Mark de LA says
Some years ago I figured out why GW used to end his reel-to-reel tape recordings of music & comedy with "The secret of the Universe is ....." & then the tape would always run out.  Did you ever figure it out?


Mark de LA says
"the Ultimate Secret cannot be revealed externally" is a Zen statement about the seat of your consciousness - 'nuff said!


C says
seth 2011-01-26 16:55:31 14854
another piece of GW humor  ... like Znuze is Znese.

That too, your misspelling of Znuz & Znees not withstanding, but there is one which is more Zen.


C says
Some of the wisdom in the commentaries on the YI by CFR P.2629 is below appropriate incidently for today's oracle (note date on this comment):

P.2629 - #38,1 83-3-2-9-12-9-Wed

"KWUN, Keep, Moon of Water, Yesod of Chesed, Restriction of Pleasure, Kon P.1864 & (1543);  self-control is emphasised; ones own good nature shall make beneficial results without extra efforts; gloom & doom are but illusions appearing only when transitory is rated above the permanent; prediction does not mean intent & always implies an if; the present materialises the past, conversely the future spiritualises the present; between dwells the bearer of freedom, liberty! Progress is always possible even if one is selfish, but then advancement becomes less & less comforting; we weep when we have to criticise! The knowledge of the Holy Grail was given to Parsifal only when he was ready to use it in the service of Humanity, not for his own personal advantage. Exercise of Practice makes Perfect is a lovely motto to keep in mind as we step beyond analogy to Reality. The steps trace a path & themselves leave a spoor.  For example, consider the working out of a formula or algorithm........"


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