Translating the Egyptian Revolution is easy on Twitter


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The #Egypt revolution is taking place in arabic, but you can with a couple of touches on your pod translate it.   I can't find this feature on the web interface.

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Seth says
M 2011-02-02 12:53:23 14910
seth 2011-02-02 11:48:46 14910
C 2011-02-02 11:26:41 14910
Here's an alternative to Aljazeera:


Fox news? ... give me a break!  They didn't even cover it until it slapped them in the face.  Let me know if you get something from that network re this which is timely or even interesting.

Btw, Al Jazerra live is not available on the pod because of the Adobe/Apple manip_u_fucking_lation.


Maybe FoxNews wanted to be accurate rather than part of the story; truthful rather than hype the riots to gain ratings.  FoxNews is already the #1 cable news outlet maybe they don't need it as much as the others. BTW my comments in 14838 predated yours of 14873 - should we compete for who's on first?
The biggest stories were HU & SPU(tnick):

My own experience with fox news is that if they think a story grinds their particular ax, then they will be way out in front of it ... there are lots of examples of that.   To be charitable, Fox just missed the story on Jan25 ... i'm not totally prepared to call it editorial spin ... but to chalk that up to "truthfulness in preference to hype" demonstrates nothing but a kind of cute blissful delusion to Murdoch's spin-o-rama.

I don't get your point about HU & SPU ... so you were bitching about riots before #Jan25 hit ... so what?   If you can tie in those cartoons as related to this item, you're welcome to resplash them.

Seth says
C 2011-02-02 16:00:09 14910
The cartoons illustrate the biggest stories around the time I brought up riots & before Jan#25.   BTW, I doubt I will ever source AlJazzera or any middle east newspaper. They are more biassed than even CNN! No standards over there.....
Admit it, you are a FoxNews basher, just like you were a Bush basher. The rest is just RWG. FoxNews apparently thought that Obama bankrupting the USA was a better story than an emerging riot in the ME, ... maybe not. In the end one (USA bankruptcy) leads to the other (riots)  when the dust is settled.
It seems to me that your awareness of #Jan25 has been affected by the fact that you published What Kind of Being Does it Take to RIOT? a week before it happened ... but the two events may be connected in your mind only ... until you connect them for me, i cannot grok that there is any connection whatsoever.

I have found Al Jazera to be an excellent source of Middle Eastern news and i go there frequently to get away from the US Centric spin that you get from State side channels ... sometimes the most important things happening in the world, cannot be tied to bashing Obama, Foxnew's efforts notwithstanding.  

Seth says
C 2011-02-02 10:39:36 14910
Does it have an unbiassed meter to detect the truth, spin & distortion?


Nope, can't find that meter ... good idea though

Mark de LA says
seth 2011-02-03 09:29:13 14910
M 2011-02-03 08:54:01 14910
BTW, I don't think Sharia Law (ريعة ) is compatible with the Golden Rule. What do you think? I don't think Submission ( الإسلام‎ ) is compatible with Love nor the Golden Rule.  Your results may vary.
Well to be honest i haven't really studied Sharia and as you may remember i have some misgivings about how the Golden Rule can be interpreted.   So, sorry, i'll pass on your question.

On thing though, i am not at all afraid that Sharia will be implemented in this country in my life time or my children's life time.  That cry seems to me to be an excuse to strike fear and hate in people's hearts ... and as such does not mesh well with calls for following the Golden Rule.  That cry is similar to the 40's cry "Jap" and "Gook" ... it is the attempt to villainize  ... to beat the drums of war ... it is just propaganda. 
So the reports of stoning a woman to death for adultry & cutting off hands for stealing is within you understanding of the Golden Rule? Hiding your head in the sand doesn't make it go away. I intend to formalize my ideas on the conflict between the Golden Rule & الإسلام
in another item. This is not n-wordism as you would like to make it.


Seth says
M 2011-02-03 08:54:01 14910
They are connected in that they are both about rioting forming coincidental simpatico timing; your head being up Aljazzera not withstanding but masking understanding.  Take your head out of Aljazzera a while & you might notice that if you have had it in there too long you might have to bow to (مك�'ة المكرمة) - no more US centrism to worry about.
Please adopt a more reasonable tone of dialogue here.

Seth says
M 2011-02-03 08:54:01 14910
BTW, I don't think Sharia Law (ريعة ) is compatible with the Golden Rule. What do you think? I don't think Submission ( الإسلام‎ ) is compatible with Love nor the Golden Rule.  Your results may vary.
Well to be honest i haven't really studied Sharia and as you may remember i have some misgivings about how the Golden Rule can be interpreted.   So, sorry, i'll pass on your question.

On thing though, i am not at all afraid that Sharia will be implemented in this country in my life time or my children's life time.  That cry seems to me to be an excuse to strike fear and hate in people's hearts ... and as such does not mesh well with calls for following the Golden Rule.  That cry is similar to the 40's cry "Jap" and "Gook" ... it is the attempt to villainize  ... to beat the drums of war ... it is just propaganda. 

Seth says
M 2011-02-03 10:07:11 14910
I guess you don't understand who & what the Muslim Brotherhood is & is all about or for that matter what an Islamic theocracy would be like for Egypt. Good Luck!

And exactly what is the Muslim Brotherhood's role in #Jan25 ?

Seth says
source: M above, refering to Sharia said
"This is not n-wordism as you would like to make it."
Perhaps not, but your bringing up Sharia in relation to #Jan25 certainly is.

To grasp a better truth about what is going on in Egypt you might want to inform your opinions and motivations by reading this article ...
source: Wired: Jihadi Media Whores Piggybacking on Egypt Unrest
Since a wave of protests swept one dictator out of power in Tunisia and hobbled another in Egypt, jihadis have found themselves irrelevant to the revolutions. Demonstrators’ demands for representative and transparent governments stand don’t square with the aims of the extremists, who hold any form of government other than a pseudo-Islamic theocracy to be gravely sinful polytheism. Moreover, Egyptians and Tunisians have made progress by largely peaceful mass protest, rather than through the wanton violence against civilians advocated by self-appointed jihadi vanguards.
... read the whole piece. 

#Jan25 is not about implementing Sharia in Egypt, the efforts of Jihadis opportunist and your beating their drums over here notwithstanding.  

Mark de LA says
seth 2011-02-03 10:08:01 14910
M 2011-02-03 09:39:35 14910
source: .."It's pretty hard to adequately describe the level of bloodiness during an average Al Jazeera newcast," wrote Wolff. "It's mesmerizing bloodiness. It's not just red but gooey. There's no cutaway. They hold the shot for the full viscous effect. It's vastly grislier than anything that's ever been shown on television before. It's snuff-film caliber. . . . The Al Jazeera correspondents seem a little sheepish about their network's over-the-topness."

"The better Al Jazeera does, the angrier the Arabs become," wrote Wolff. "The more anti-U.S. and anti-Israel, the higher ratings it gets."
... information & history on Al Jazeera for minds not yet shut. Read the part about 9-11 etc.
please don't expect me to become embroiled with any right-wing/left-wing spinning with you here ... sorry, not my thing anymore.
Not left-right at all. I'm not sure where your bias is coming from. Why bother to go only to the sources that agree with your own personal (& as all single points of view) - distorted view of the world. I like to read them all unless I find that one particular one lies a lot. Good luck with your fuzzy, better truthiness.


Seth says
Obviously jihadist will try to use the chaos in Egypt to gain control of the country.  But was #Jan25 caused by them? ... i don't see any evidence that it was.  It would be that evidence, not spinning heads, which might inform this dialogue.  My point here is that sans real signs from actual events a fear of an Islmist takeover is not warranted.  I prefer to look instead for signs of a more democratic, perhaps even a secular government, like Turkey coming to Egypt.  You, of course, will see things differently ... that being the way this meta-world works where our human minds, guided by expectations, tend to see mostly what they expect. 

Mark de LA says
So is it your idea that out of the lawlessness & rioting a nice well run democracy, respecting the rights of all it's citizens will magically emerge out of #Jan25 ? Will said democracy be fair to Israel & honor previous accords? Will it honor law & even (shudder!) have a constitution? (I'm asking for a prediction not a wait & see.) BTW, in the movie Gandhi it was his fasting & previous ethos as a leader & champion of the people of India that caused the lawless rioting of the Muslims & Hindus to cease - not rioting which caused the peace. We have found that even in Iraq it takes a while for a leader to emerge where there was only dictatorship. In Iraq, the US played a heavy role.

Wikipedia on Gandhi: ...  He pioneered satyagraha. This is defined as resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience, a philosophy firmly founded upon ahimsa, or total nonviolence. This concept helped India to gain independence, and inspired movements for civil rights and freedom across the world.
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Seth says
M 2011-02-03 12:16:36 14910
M 2011-02-03 12:02:40 14910
seth 2011-02-03 11:48:19 14910

[said something unrelated to posted links]

Well here is a Russian News organization's http://en.rian.ru/world/20110203/162433368.html


Yep they would do lots of heinous things if they were in charge ... so what?  Read my post re media whores to grock my understanding of their connection with #Jan25.  If you find information that contradicts that, please by all means post it.

Seth says
It seems that this idea of a Muslim Brotherhood takeover is comming directly from Mubarak  ...
source: Time magizine
It's not that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak wants to stay in power, you understand; he's "fed up" with being President but has no choice other than to carry on — because if he quits, the result will be chaos and a Muslim Brotherhood takeover. That was Mubarak's spin, in an interview with ABC's Christiane Amanpour to be aired Thursday night
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Mark de LA says
seth 2011-02-04 13:39:15 14910
seth 2011-02-04 13:23:14 14910
C 2011-02-04 12:42:24 14910
A FoxNews broadcast reporter gets roughed up pretty bad.  Here is the eyewitness account of his encounter with angry mobs.
Bear in mind that the pro Mubaric forces, and quite possible the actual regime, started a very campaign yesterday to harass journalists.  There are many many sources for that. Even Anderson Cooper was attacked.   If you read the story carefully you will find that even the foxnews broadcaster did not lay the blame on the anti-mubaric faction, who if you think for a moment, have absolutely no motive to rough up reporters.

What is interesting and very telling is how Greg ended his report ...
source: Bloody in Cairo: A Firsthand Account By Greg Palkot [emphasis mine]

"The experience we endured filled us with revulsion at those Egyptians who use violence and repression and those in higher places who support those actions. It also filled us with a deep admiration for the good and courageous Egyptians who will be continuing the struggle today and the days to come, who are putting their own lives on the line.

Hopefully they’ll come out on the other side of this with a better country."

Did Foxnews broadcast spin the article differently to you?


Yep, I saw that too! I also see things from many different perspectives. Thanks for teasing that out of the article I supplied as well.

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C says
I am willing to trust, but verify.  We'll see what happens & whose predictions come true!


Seth says
M 2011-02-04 10:52:25 14910
seth 2011-02-04 10:39:30 14910
M 2011-02-04 10:20:44 14910
seth 2011-02-04 09:25:23 14910
Please note that i have characterized #Jan25 as "massing together to overthrow a tyrant"  (see my comment 2011-02-03 09:08:25 14838 ), and not as "lawlessness & rioting".   Gandhi did in fact organize such protests, his march to the sea to mine salt comes rapidly to mind ... there were thousands there.  From everything that i have read on #Jan25 and elsewhere, the anit-mubaric protests have been peaceful ... the violence comming primarialy from  pro-mubaric thugs. 

I think you will find that making up shit and foisting it into my mouth will never produce useful dialogue and better truth.
I asked you a question - didn't put shit in your mouth .... notice the phrase (in English): Is it ...... followed by a question mark: ? Throwing Molotov cocktails, regardless of who is doing it is lawlessness & rioting - no better truth on your side of the wall this time!

Your saying "So is it your idea that out of the lawlessness & rioting a nice well run democracy" is putting shit in my mouth.  I did not say that nor would I. 

You should really study the situation, and ask yourself who was "throwing the Molotov coctails" !

As to answering your question, i have no Christal Ball and cannot predict the future. Usually when i think i can, i will tag it as a prediction.  In the case of #Jan25, i have no idea what kind of government will emerge. 
Your lack of understanding of the syntax of the English language notwithstanding; I am asking a question of "is this your idea?"  All you had to say is NO! instead of your offer your "shit" statement.  I can't seem to get your position.  All your 3rd hand reporting suggests you are on the side of the anti-government rioters & have no idea or suggestion of what might be a good outcome.  Maybe this is just another validation of my theory that blogging isn't worth a "shit".
 
My reports, what little i have made, have been factual or about my own awareness.  I have up to now refrained from judgments.   But, yes, i am for a people who, in the course of their events deem it necessary to dissolve their government and start another.

Blogging, like life itself, is what you make of it ... if you talk shit, then it is shitty.

Mark de LA says
seth 2011-02-04 13:47:44 14910
source: M above
At one point in his account he was inside a building with a bunch of pro-government people, BTW the smaller of the groups, when a Molotov cocktail was hurled into his building - who threw it? (we don't know, of course). We also don't know what kind of game the Muslim Brotherhood might be playing possibly escalating the riots. Terrorists must benefit from terror & anarchy - that is who they are; that is what they do. BTW, I am not saying who is who here.  I thought the account by a professional reporter who was bloodied-up was interesting.


With a bit or research i do believe we can find out who was throwing the cocktails.  We do, however, know who was throwing the rocks ... both sides ... at each other. 


That's so touching seeing the Muslim stop his rock throwing to pray to Mecca. I would like to see the before & after context as well. I heard about this from other sources as well.
 It's kinda like the US soldiers during the Iraq war stopping for a moment for Thanksgiving & Christmas dinners.

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