Golden Rule & Islam - Burning Questions
- Islam means submission to God - A god would not willing submit to another; nor a man to another. Love is the point, not submission.
- Submission to the word of God is moot today because his revelations require interpretation by men who get it wrong all the time. It is tradition rather than the actual word of God which prevails.
- Islam as it is practiced involves subjugating women to many practices that men would not submit to. Wearing burkas, etc.
- Sharia law is only interpreted by men & includes such things as chopping off hands of thieves & stoning to death of adulterers none of which would another human wish for himself.
- I don't have the translation of the original quote on the GR, but I know that desire & love are separate distinctions.
- The prophet Mohamed was a warrior who killed people & that is not a good example of the GR for nobody wants to be killed by another.
- other religions suffer from some history of the above & most have overcome such by the 21st century (except the Catholic Church which still puts nuns second to priests) - I'm sure there are others.
- Islamists & many other religions believe they should be the only religion practiced, however if there is but one God who suffers many different faces to many different peoples then subjecting other peoples is nothing that they themselves would be willing to experience. What is so is that there is one World - maybe not just one face of God.
- What loving god would want his worshippers to commit suicide to kill non-believers. Some say this is forbidden by the Koran, but why does the all-powerful Allah permit his followers to do this? Doesn't that besmirch his name if done in the name of Allah?
- As a religion to declare oneself as supreme over all others, or one's God as supreme is as bizarre as self-declared Kings in an age of consciousness. It is almost an invitation to war & challenge rather than peace. It is what's inside the human being that counts.
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In the name of the golden rule, "Do onto others as you would have others do unto you", you trash others Faith but twisting it according to your own misconceptions. Am i then to presume that you would have others trash your Faith by twisting it according to their misconceptions of your Faith? I think not. Therefore this is a hypocritical item.


Islam means submission to God - A god would not willing submit to another; nor a man to another. Love is the point, not submission.
Now i do not call myself a Muslim, but i interpret "submission to God", which i do, is a way that would make your conclusion off the charts childish. For me God is everything, all that is, including myself ... and is far more than my pea mind can comprehend. Submission to that then becomes just acceptance of what is. But Islam does not stop there ... also there is the comprehension that God is Great. You could interpret that lots of ways ... for my own faith i interpert it: I love God ... or I love that which is ... or All there is is ultimately lovabel. So, given that interpretation, given that as one's Faith, do you grock that a mocking "god would not willing submit to another" as being off topic.
Now do you wish to submit to my interpretation of your faith in Christianity according to my own mentations ?
Islam means submission to God - A god would not willing submit to another; nor a man to another. Love is the point, not submission.
Now i do not call myself a Muslim, but i interpret "submission to God", which i do, is a way that would make your conclusion off the charts childish. For me God is everything, all that is, including myself ... and is far more than my pea mind can comprehend. Submission to that then becomes just acceptance of what is. But Islam does not stop there ... also there is the comprehension that God is Great. You could interpret that lots of ways ... for my own faith i interpert it: I love God ... or I love that which is ... or All there is is ultimately lovabel. So, given that interpretation, given that as one's Faith, do you grock that a mocking "god would not willing submit to another" as being off topic.
Now do you wish to submit to my interpretation of your faith in Christianity according to my own mentations ?



I think my faith is a story i tell myself, which is consistent with my experiences, and which makes me feel good about my life and my world.
Can you shed some light on the ethics of what you are doing here in this item? Sorry, on first blush, to me it seems to suck real bad because the way you are doing it breaks my understanding of the Golden Rule itself.
I don't know why I should be consistent with anything you tell yourself, do you? We are independent beings! As long as you continue to use red herrings like the word "suck", I suspect the lack of consistency will continue. Islam is not above examination in a World where stuff is done in its name which is abhorrent. Neither is any other religion. To say that only Muslims can explain themselves or question themselves is to ignore the next higher level of organization of mankind, i.e. human! Unless your mission in life is to defend Islam I would suggest you will get farther by examining some of the questions. If a premise is faulty, explain why. If the conclusion is faulty likewise explain how.

The way i interpert this item is as an inter-faith dialogue. That means you, who have one set of beliefs, one set of stories you tell yourself, are talking to other people who have an entirely different set of beliefs and stories they tell themselves.
It just seems to me that if you want useful dialogue with another faith, you can't start it by telling them what their stories are ... you can't just make up their stories out of news articles that have been floating around the media about them. It seems to me you need to start with a honest understanding of what those stories are to them. Apply the golden rule here! Would you listen to Muslims making up stories about your faith ... stories that you would not assent to? That is why i have judged this item to be hypocritical.
Can you shed some light on the ethics of what you are doing here in this item? Sorry, on first blush, to me it seems to suck real bad because the way you are doing it breaks my understanding of the Golden Rule itself.
I don't know why I should be consistent with anything you tell yourself, do you? We are independent beings! As long as you continue to use red herrings like the word "suck", I suspect the lack of consistency will continue. Islam is not above examination in a World where stuff is done in its name which is abhorrent. Neither is any other religion. To say that only Muslims can explain themselves or question themselves is to ignore the next higher level of organization of mankind, i.e. human! Unless your mission in life is to defend Islam I would suggest you will get farther by examining some of the questions. If a premise is faulty, explain why. If the conclusion is faulty likewise explain how.




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However, i don't think it is a good maxim to say "never judge". Following your GR i certainly want feedback from you when you discover something that i am doing wrong and i have frequently learned much from those criticisms and have frequently changed my behavior accordingly. So sometimes we do judge others and give them feedback accordingly and frequently that ends up being useful for improving things ... right? The trick of course is to know when to judge and when not to judge ... but i will leave that determination for another time.
So yes i am judging this item according to the GR and have determined that it breaks the GR. That is why i am continuing this dialogue here and i don't understand why you do not deal specifically with this complaint that i have. Perhaps i am wrong ... perhaps there is some way in which this item does not break the GR ... if so, could you please tell me why it does not break the GR?
Just to summarize what i am grocking:
- This item criticizes Islam for not following GR. (true or false?)
- You do not understand Islam the way a true believer of Islam understands it (true or false?)
- Would you have someone criticize your faith if thy did not understand it the way you did? (yes or no?)
- GR says do unto others as you would have others do unto you. (true or false?)
- Are you doing unto Muslims as your would not have Muslims do unto you? (yes or no)
- This item is breaking the GR. (true or false?)





Islam (Arabic: الإسلام al-’islām, pronounced [ʔislæːm] ( listen)[note 1]) is the monotheistic religion articulated by the Qur’an, a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Arabic: الله, Allah), and by the teachings and normative example (called the Sunnah and Hadith) of Muhammad, the last Prophet of Islam. The word Islam means 'submission to God' and linguistically comes from the root word Salaam, meaning peace,[1] and an adherent of Islam is called a Muslim (the one who acquires peace by submitting to God's will).







Islam (Arabic: الإسلام al-’islām, pronounced [�"islæːm] ( listen)[note 1]) is the monotheistic religion articulated by the Qur’an, a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Arabic: الله, Allah), and by the teachings and normative example (called the Sunnah and Hadith) of Muhammad, the last Prophet of Islam. The word Islam means 'submission to God' and linguistically comes from the root word Salaam, meaning peace,[1] and an adherent of Islam is called a Muslim (the one who acquires peace by submitting to God's will).

An Islamic cleric has cleared the path for rebels in Syria, who are trying to oust President Bashar Assad, to rape women, so long as they’re non-Sunni.
Salafi Sheikh Yasir al-Ajlawni, who hails from Jordan but who lived in Damascus for 17 years, sent a message via YouTube: It’s a “legitimate fatwa” for Muslims waging war against Mr. Assad and trying to put in place a Sharia government to “capture and have sex with” Alawites and other non-Sunni, non-Muslim women, Human Events reports. Mr. Assad is part of the Alawites sect.
In the video, the cleric called non-Muslim women by their Arabic term, “melk al-yamin,” Human Events reports. The term is from the Koran and refers to non-Muslim sex slaves, Human Events says.




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