Interest - in between what & what ?

1225"75; (noun) Middle English < Medieval Latin, Latin: it concerns, literally, it is between; replacing interesse  < Medieval Latin, Latin: to concern, literally, to be between; (v.) earlier interess  as v. use of the noun; see inter-, esse
 lit. "to be between," from inter- "between" + esse "to be."

What is the essence of interest?
... something to contemplate today.
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Seth says
Interest is a very interesting topic to me .

I do think an agent does not qualify for having interest in another being (agent, process, topic, person, whatever) unless that agent has some form of emotional response to it.  For example, we here at fastblogit are frequently visited by Google's bots, and they examine and record what is said here in minute detail.  But i don't think it is useful to say that the Google bots are interested in fastblogit.  It is quite possible that the inability of researchers to produce real emotion in artificial processes has been one of the barriers to actually achieving robust AI.  I know all of that can be sluffed off as O.T, but in a way knowing what is NOT part of interest, helps us with knowing the true nature of interest itself ... does it not?

I also think that the relationship called "interest" is not necessarily just between 2 beings.  It can be a one to many and or many to one and can be one way directed or reciprocal.  If you include the many to many quality, then you do get into things like group think, mob behavior, not to mention a synergy of individuals.

C says
seth 2011-03-15 10:47:59 15069
Interest is where you put your attention ... your awareness.  Note that it is also tightly connected to emotion ... you really can't pay attention properly to something unless it feels like something to you ... unless you are somehow emotionally connected to it ... i just saw a recent article touching on that float by
I'm contemplating in the ontological sense - not looking for the usual definitions.  Your first sentence above is a bit off. Then you get closer - interest is the a qualified emotional attachment between two beings (in the most general sense). It is much like the arrow in mentography ... can be negative, positive or otherwise. ... more to come. Contemplation can yield so many answers.


C says
   Yeah, I had more the human-centered, ontological (BofNK) interest in mind. Without feeling-attention a robot is not likely to model human interest; maybe just how humans behave being interested.  I include being as a property of all conscious things, but I don't want to go down the road of whether or not that is true (or anything about truth) on this node.
    Interest is a directed arrow not necessarily reciprocal & by extension can be a many to many relationship.  Lack of interest some call boredom or depression. I'm not concerned about the latter psychological realm of interest.
    In a way, interest defines the topic for directed awareness. Interest keeps the field in view to a manageable level defined by the ego - ad hoc or otherwise.


Mark de LA says
Interest is what seems to be the cause of a wrecked train of thought. According to some value system , ego survival based, something else shows up & grabs my attention & becomes interesting. It is almost like I am a hunter-gather of ideas, feelings & things to do.


Mark de LA says

All these things are difficult to form into words.
If a person gives a name to something and then holds fast to that name, he will miss the real meaning. Yet if no name is given, then he floats about in empty space and does not attain awareness.

Chozan Shissai - Master Swordsman, Japan 1728
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quoted from the splash page for Cheng Hsin

Seth says
source: Chozan Shissai - Master Swordsman, Japan 1728
If a person gives a name to something and then holds fast to that name, he will miss the real meaning.
So true.  Thing is the name is a mere pointer ... a sign or a map to some particular experience ... it is not, as we know, the thing itself.   If you do follow the dereferencing information in the name ... ie follow the pointer ... the experience you find your engulfed in will most likely be far different than the experience the original person had there when the name was coined.
source: Chozan Shissai - Master Swordsman, Japan 1728
Yet if no name is given, then he floats about in empty space and does not attain awareness.
very true.  It brings to my mind the importance of giving shit on the net a good URI ... shades of the Leviathan always rearing its ugly head to me .



Mark de LA says
Interest is the feeling/emotion propelling thought to answer the question: "whatever does this (the object, concept, sensation .... ) have to do with me?" ... & there is more.  I say I have interest in blogging & my consciousness is only aware of the emotion. It is a very now activity.

C says
Regarding names I have been looking for the source for the quote on names & found it on: P.63 & 64 of Book Chameleon, 1st edition 1940

" .... Nature is engaged now in making one of her famous "leaps" during which there will be a general metamorphosis in biological as well as in the social, economic & politic body of mankind.  It is for each individual human to decide for himself or herself whether to be ground between the millstones of the Past & Future or else to fulfil the destiny, planned ages ago by the gods, viz., to become a true human being.  It is said that the candidate for Initiation into the Ancient Mysteries was first of all taught that he was not yet a human being, a fruitful lesson in humility!  May we all learn thoroughly to be grateful to the gods for what they have given us!  May we all learn to bend down tgo the lowest, even, with sincere thanks for the support they give us, that we may thereby receive the Substance of Inspiration from the highest sources.  Let us learn what it means to call each & every thing in the Universe by its own right name & in this utterance of the unutterable realise that we are all one in Christ!  Thanks to every thing! "


Mark de LA says
seth 2011-03-18 11:29:43 15069
M 2011-03-18 10:25:01 15069
Interest is the feeling/emotion propelling thought to answer the question: "whatever does this (the object, concept, sensation .... ) have to do with me?" ... & there is more.  I say I have interest in blogging & my consciousness is only aware of the emotion. It is a very now activity.
Yes, i agree, interest motivates you to investigate object in relationship to yourself.  But i think it is not limited to thought ... but action as well ... interest propels you to reach out and feel ... to talk ... to listen.   I blog because i'm interested in something ... but i am also interested in the process of blogging because it is part of my awareness.
.. & action includes the operation of thinking, feeling ...


C says
ADD & Compulsion are aberrant contexts for interest.
I consulted BofNK on the nature of emotions & in 23:14
ibid: ... All emotions are conceptually based.  They are complex rather than simplistic impulses.  In the case of fear, we find four major components, three of which are conceptual.
An unwillingness to have a particular experience
The possibility of a future
Conceiving an unwantged scenario involving a particular experience
A physiological feeling-reaction.
... perhaps desire 23:63 is closer with the following components:
  • The possibility of a future
  • An assessment that something is missing now
  • Concept of a preferred experience
  • Separation between object-of-desire & self
  • Feeling-sensation of imagined pleasure, masking overlooked pain


The last being the closest to interest


C says
Interest can be both willed or compelled as in meditation vs someone having a gun to your head.

C says
C 2011-03-19 11:28:00 15069
seth 2011-03-19 11:24:58 15069
Looks to me that she has a mal-formed left breast ... that's interesting.  Can you point to higher resolution picture?
The point doesn't need higher resolution.


Her breasts are just fine! You'll have to take my word for it otherwise distractions will fill the rest of the comments.

C says
& then too is there anything of interest in this picture? (i'm just asking?)


C says
I think that (self = interest) at least at the personality level.


Seth says
C 2011-03-19 13:28:21 15069
seth 2011-03-19 12:56:05 15069
C 2011-03-19 12:46:40 15069
seth 2011-03-19 12:22:12 15069
C 2011-03-19 12:20:15 15069
All I can say is that you soared high into the abstract & missed CFR's point!

I don't understand CFR's point in relationship to what my understanding of what a name is.
Exactly! You went abstract - the point is at the other end of the spectrum - more at the being, zen, ontological & not the conceptual.

Well, for me, whatever point CFR was making will forever lay hidden beneath the actual contradiction which i brought up ... that is unless you deem my understanding of said point important enough to actually explain it to me. 

My point is that there is no right name for the things in the universe.  How can you reconcile that?  Can you actually leave the RWG behind long enough to actually inform me?
This whole segway is of interest to you but not the topic of this item; your already, always quibble with GW notwithstanding.  Perhaps, the RWG is another aberration of interest gone personality-protective, but not necessarily useful from the point of view of the Cosmic ALL.  At the moment of Satori, presumably you are one with all there is.  At that exalted point you become as God of whom it is said "In the beginning was the WORD" . So, perhaps you could have a WORD which is simultaneously the Universe itself & which names everything appropriately because it, itself IS that name.  Unfortunately you could never blog about it completely here on FastBlogIt!

Yeah after writing my last epistle it dawned on me that CFR's point probably was in that direction.  So then Satori ends up being the point at which you and the cosmic all are so connected that you no longer need to separate name from thing named.  I guess that's cool ... i don't believe in it, but it's cool anyway.

In other news, my screen informs me that "U.S. military launches missiles against Gadhafs forces in Libya" ... which is grabbing some of my interest ... that i am not in Libya, nor in the US military, notwithstanding.

Seth says
C 2011-03-19 11:27:18 15069
seth 2011-03-19 11:20:46 15069
source: GW in Chamelion
Let us learn what it means to call each & every thing in the Universe by its own right name

Hmmm ... well, me don't believe that things in the Universe have "right names".  I think the actual sign of a thing, it's name as it were, is in almost all cases rather arbitrary.   These signs are really up to the art of the person coining them.  They are better or worse just according to how well the coiner is tuned into his audience and the thing itself.  It would be like there were only one right style of a street sign.  A street sign is better or worse just when it is viable and accessible and clearly identifies the street to those who see the sign. 

I don't grok your use of the word sign as it applies to reality. Most things don't have signs on them in .... at least when you leave the large metropolitan areas.  Nothing on your body has a sign unless you have a tatoo. Then too distinctions like right, truth & spelling are relative for you anyway.
I'm using the word "sign" in the way it is customarily used in semiotics which among other things is the study of the usage of names.  A name is a sign.  It is something that exists in one context to point out something in another context.  If here in the  context of this paragraph i write Mark, then perhaps that word "Mark" will be a sign to the reader of this paragraph to you, Mark Russell, who exists in a larger context which is not included in this paragraph.  

Seth says
hmmm .... interesting .... bringing up the question when you watch your breathing in Za Zen, what aspect of it do you try to focus on ... lots of choices there.  I think i asked that of a Zen master at the SF Zen center ... i don't remember if he answered the question ... it certainly didn't stick in my mind.  Your answer certainly sounds interesting .

What is the difference between the term you used, "what seemed like it could be as long as I wanted", and the term you could have used "what was as long as I wanted" ?  ... begging the question:  Did you stop before you wanted to stop ?  If so, what interrupted you?

C says
seth 2011-03-20 10:52:39 15069
hmmm .... interesting .... bringing up the question when you watch your breathing in Za Zen, what aspect of it do you try to focus on ... lots of choices there.  I think i asked that of a Zen master at the SF Zen center ... i don't remember if he answered the question ... it certainly didn't stick in my mind.  Your answer certainly sounds interesting .

What is the difference between the term you used, "what seemed like it could be as long as I wanted", and the term you could have used "what was as long as I wanted" ?  ... begging the question:  Did you stop before you wanted to stop ?  If so, what interrupted you?
Dinner interrupted it.   Normally when I meditate/contemplate I am happy when the exercise is over. It is usually a struggle to maintain focus - not too far from boring.  Interesting apparently is the antidote for boring!  It is also interesting that with BofNK contemplation I usually get results.

C says
C 2011-03-20 10:37:29 15069
Interest is that which sustains attention.  I was able to sustain my interest in my breathing for what seemed like it could be as long as I wanted by holding interest in my heart chakra area about my breathing & injecting self consciousness now & then as a formal BofNK contemplation last night before dinner.

see also 9145 and links.

C says

A little more work with projective geometry may be of help in imagining the infinite its other polars.

C says
seth 2011-03-20 11:22:56 15069
What's the difference between "holding interest in my heart chakra area about my breathing & injecting self consciousness" and "watching how i felt about my breathing" ? 

Incidentally how did you feel about your breathing?
I never watched how I felt about my breathing.  
Interest in the contemplation resides somewhere.
Self-consciousness is somewhere.
The other 7 components of contemplation are somewhere.
Try them or not. Reread Chozan Shissai's quote again.


C says
C 2011-03-20 11:38:16 15069
seth 2011-03-20 11:18:00 15069
Although the term "BofNK contemplation" is sufficient to the task of dereferencing, it is not sufficient for my access ... i don't have the book, and even if i did i doubt that i would spend the necessary time to find it in the book. 

Oh well ... that's just the way names work sometimes
It is in the comments on 14275 my 2010-09-13 09:25:11


BTW, the book is in Kindle format which has a search capability.

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