Egyptian Revolution Update

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How's that revolution working out for you guys?
With mountains of rubbish towering over children and endless bin bags bulging from high-rise flats, these are the shocking images that show Cairo's 'Garbage City' - where thousands of Egyptians live amongst piles of stinking rubbish.

Manshiyat naser, or Garbage city, as it is known by locals, is a slum on the outskirts of Cairo, just a short drive away from luxury five star resorts.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019390/Whod-dustman-Cairo-Revolting-pictures-piled-rubbish-Egyptian-capital-label-Garbage-City.html#ixzz1TPEgypXg
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Mark de LA says
Keeping up with the headlines this AM:
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Egyptian military grants itself sweeping powers...

Muslim Brotherhood Wins Presidency...



Deadly attack on Israel-Egypt border...

Israel moves tanks closer to Egypt...

Mark de LA says
Hmmm.... must be because they all recycle:
'But they make a good living out of recycling rubbish. About half of all the rubbish in Cairo ends up in Garbage City.

'About 85 per cent of it is sorted and recycled by the people there, and then sold on.

'Rubbish is taken to this quarter by big lorries. Then it is taken to houses and yards by smaller cars, on horses or donkeys or in hands, where it is sorted.

'They sort it into piles of used paper, metal, plastic and so on - and make quite a bit of money from it.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019390/Whod-dustman-Cairo-Revolting-pictures-piled-rubbish-Egyptian-capital-label-Garbage-City.html#ixzz1TPFZGBJi
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Mark de LA says
MR 2011-10-12 11:52:46 15412
So the Middle East revolution is now yielding an Arab Winter where there are no longer Christians in Afganistan & the Christians in Egypt are having their churches burned down & persecuted.
Yep, good old democracy at work.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/10/13/obama-calls-for-restraint-egypts-christians/
Who does Obama think should exercise restraint ?

Mark de LA says
Police clash with protesters in Tahrir Square over military rule...

ARAB FALL: PROTESTS RAGE IN CAIRO...


C says
C 2011-11-26 01:24:21 15412
http://tgr.ph/sM3CNK - non inteference interference - WTF? Demand the inevitable?  What courage.


Headline says
source: ...

Egypt's political crisis deepened on Friday as the US urged the military to give up power immediately and protesters laid siege to the Cabinet office in Cairo.

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Mark de LA says
M 2011-12-02 09:09:18 15412
There are also a lot of other interesting things in the article as well.
In this item I am keeping track of the things that happen to Egypt post revolution (~ still going on?).  What was billed as an Arab Spring seems to be growing strange fruit here in the Fall.


Seth says
M 2011-12-02 00:33:48 15412

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150311#.TtfbHoR0r8B -

Muslim Brotherhood Takes Elections by Storm

Islamist parties are expected to control Cairo's parliament by the spring with the Muslim Brotherhood projected to be in the driver's seat.

A slightly less sensational description of events might be ...

source: Aljazeera

Egypt election tallies favour Islamists

Party numbers suggest that the Muslim Brotherhood's political wing won perhaps 40 per cent of votes.
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Mark de LA says
Still going on, eh? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2075683/The-brave-women-Middle-East-Female-protesters-brutally-beaten-metal-poles-vicious-soldiers-drag-girls-streets-hair-day-shame.html

A revolution just churns the soup. An evolution creates something new from the old.

Mark de LA says
More (via Drudge):
EGYPTIAN SOLDIERS STRIP, STOMP WOMEN...
CHAOS IN CAIRO'S TAHRIR SQUARE...
SHOCK PHOTOS...
Where is that national "Being" in a shit-hole like this?

Mark de LA says
Egypt Muslim Brotherhood vows not to recognize Israel...   STEPPING BACKWARDS, EH?

Mark de LA says
With all the land occupied by Muslims in the Middle East & elsewhere why do you suppose they can't get along with Israel having some? (2%?).  I think it is a disasterous game of GO:



Mark de LA says
With the Muslim Brotherhood taking over the picture looks like this:


Mark de LA says
... & maybe you can put 2 & 2 together with these headlines (think blackmail):
source: ... Muslim Brotherhood Warns U.S. Aid Cut May Affect Egypt’s Peace Treaty With Israel
A top Muslim Brotherhood official has warned that any cuts in U.S. aid to Egypt could affect Cairo’s peace treaty with Israel – the latest sign that Egypt’s emerging political forces intend to call Washington’s bluff over the diplomatic dispute triggered by a crackdown on non-governmental organizations.
... we still insist on borrowing money from China to give to people who are not our friends - DON'T WE!
source: ... State Dept. Budget Seeks to Spend $770 Million on ‘Arab Spring’ Reforms in 11 Countries
 Requesting nearly $800 million to encourage political and economic reforms in the Arab-Islamic world, the State Department in its fiscal year 2013 budget request Monday identified 11 specific targets.

They include countries where transitions are underway after violent upheavals – even though uncertainties and concerns about future directions persist (Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and Yemen);

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Seth says
MR 2012-04-26 11:49:13 15412
seth 2012-04-26 11:34:13 15412
MR 2012-04-26 10:15:18 15412
source: ...

Egyptian husbands will soon be legally allowed to have sex with their dead wives - for up to six hours after their death.

The controversial new law is part of a raft of measures being introduced by the Islamist-dominated parliament.

It will also see the minimum age of marriage lowered to 14

The subject of a husband having sex with his dead wife arose in May 2011 when Moroccan cleric Zamzami Abdul Bari said marriage remains valid even after death.

He also said that women have the right to have sex with her dead husband, alarabiya.net reported.

It seems the topic, which has sparked outrage, has now been picked up on by Egypt's politicians.

.. & we thought that condoms & abortions was an issue

Sounds like some Egyptian politicians twisting a clerics statement that "marriage remains valid even after death" into absurdity.   That should be in the list of rhetorical fallacies:  extending a premise to draw a ridiculous conclusion.   So some Egyptian politician gins up the crowd based upon something that is as absurb as it is false.  

So there are no laws being proposed to the effect that sex after death is OK ? in their congress?  I think your twist is bullshit.
AlArabiya: ... Egypt’s National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death according to a report in an Egyptian newspaper.

The appeal came in a message sent by Dr. Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, to the Egyptian People’s Assembly Speaker, Dr. Saad al-Katatni, addressing the woes of Egyptian women, especially after the popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.

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No, Mark, there is no evidence that any such laws are actually being proposed. 
source: same article you posted above

Egyptian prominent journalist and TV anchor Jaber al-Qarmouty on Tuesday referred to Abdul Samea’s article in his daily show on Egyptian ON TV and criticized the whole notion of “permitting a husband to have sex with his wife after her death under a so-called ‘Farewell Intercourse’ draft law.”

“This is very serious. Could the panel that will draft the Egyptian constitution possibly discuss such issues? Did Abdul Samea see by his own eyes the text of the message sent by Talawi to Katatni? This is unbelievable. It is a catastrophe to give the husband such a right! Has the Islamic trend reached that far? Is there really a draft law in this regard? Are there people thinking in this manner?”

This is one of those "Have you stopped beating your grandmother?"  kind of questions.   Any Muslim in his right mind would be outraged by such a law.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-04-26 11:34:13 15412
MR 2012-04-26 10:15:18 15412
source: ...

Egyptian husbands will soon be legally allowed to have sex with their dead wives - for up to six hours after their death.

The controversial new law is part of a raft of measures being introduced by the Islamist-dominated parliament.

It will also see the minimum age of marriage lowered to 14

The subject of a husband having sex with his dead wife arose in May 2011 when Moroccan cleric Zamzami Abdul Bari said marriage remains valid even after death.

He also said that women have the right to have sex with her dead husband, alarabiya.net reported.

It seems the topic, which has sparked outrage, has now been picked up on by Egypt's politicians.

.. & we thought that condoms & abortions was an issue

Sounds like some Egyptian politicians twisting a clerics statement that "marriage remains valid even after death" into absurdity.   That should be in the list of rhetorical fallacies:  extending a premise to draw a ridiculous conclusion.   So some Egyptian politician gins up the crowd based upon something that is as absurb as it is false.  

So there are no laws being proposed to the effect that sex after death is OK ? in their congress?  I think your twist is bullshit.
AlArabiya: ... Egypt’s National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death according to a report in an Egyptian newspaper.

The appeal came in a message sent by Dr. Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, to the Egyptian People’s Assembly Speaker, Dr. Saad al-Katatni, addressing the woes of Egyptian women, especially after the popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.

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Mark de LA says
So all these articles are fake, eh Bozo?
http://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&ncl=d0maWHs0-HlqXnMZstb5aQf07ZKBM


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-04-26 16:04:40 15412

Here is a story with an even greater sensationalism on the same topic ... but it happened in Missouri.

Perhaps Abdul Samea's fatwa was intended to make that legal.
This is kinda irrelevant unless it is an easy way to explain away a lack of a birth certificate for some people.
 

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-04-26 16:52:56 15412
MR 2012-04-26 16:44:14 15412
seth 2012-04-26 15:12:40 15412
source: M above
articles from Google news that explicitly say they are considering it
oh really, which one is that ?
... one out of many"
source: ...

Egypt’s Islamist-dominated parliament is set to introduce a law allowing husbands to have sex with their dead wives up to six hours after death. Critics fear that the controversial law highlights a trend of increasingly anti-women legislation since the so-called Arab Spring.

The proposed law has sparked much controversy, specifically within Egypt's National Council for Women, which has been campaigning against the law, saying that it "marginalizes and undermines the status of women and would negatively affect the country's human development."

... Similar sentences are found in Google's digest of 24 articles on the subject. This must be one of those hypnotic tricks where Seth is unable to read something he does not like in spite of the words.  Then too his mind is probably recontextualizing it away by some slight of mind tricks as well.


Yep, guess what, blogs and tabloids do report innuendo as fact ... surprise, surprise.
So is your opinion! surprise! surprise!

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-04-26 17:01:52 15412
  The only question that i have is why you, and the rest of the right wing blogisphere, are so anxious to believe this utter hooey about a Muslim country.

source: memeorandum.com

Daily Mail:
WTF?!?!  ��"  Sounds dead boring to me!  ��"  I don't believe that man could think of such a thing.  Religion is not for the rational man.  ��"  Where the hell does it say you can do that in the Quran!  Why would you want to!!!  The other laws are the usual sexist bull you get in Muslim countries …
RELATED:
Abeer Tayel / Alarabiya.net English:
Egypt's women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, sex-after-death laws: report  ��"  Egypt's National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex …

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I didn't say I necessrily believed that the thingy would become law. It was something I could throw out for those infected with Islamolagnia.  Frankly the thought is repulsive, but so is the idea of strapping bombs to women & little children to blow up innocent people. The Muslim Brotherhood was once & probably still is branded as a terrorist organization.


Seth says
You might also be interested in reading this.

Seth says
source: M above
I didn't say I necessrily believed that the thingy would become law.
Good for you .  Now maybe work on not believing that the law was even proposed and you will approach a better truth.   That said, the laws which were proposed about women would be considered abominable enough to our Western ears. 


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-04-27 10:25:27 15412
MR 2012-04-27 09:44:27 15412
seth 2012-04-27 09:16:42 15412
MR 2012-04-27 08:54:16 15412
seth 2012-04-27 08:37:47 15412
MR 2012-04-26 23:08:47 15412
seth 2012-04-26 20:16:25 15412
Drudge report still posts a fallacious lie in a headline to a tabloid story, even though it has already been debunked ...



I think you should still shove it up your ASS.  Your one debunk is pure speculation & editorial -carries no more weight than any of the others.

Well there is a skill involved ... even in our new internet world where propaganda flies faster than truth.
Skill, what skill?  The skill in reading English & knowing exactly what it says even without speculation upon what it says & what it means.  Still further you might develop the skill to read minds & intuit the author's point of view without actually communicating with him or her, eh? The ultimate skill here is to face something you do not like, perhaps, & do it with equanimity & not descend into the RWG with the jerk of a knee. Perhaps the ultimate skill is to refrain from reading any shit on the Internet at all -  including this!

Well yeah there are those skills too.   But it is impossible to read "English & know exactly what it says even without speculation upon what it says & what it means" ... because there is no such "knowing" ... every usage of English is subject to the readers interpretation and there is no "meaning" for the reader outside of that.   The trick on the internet is to know when something has been concocted based upon the authors agenda or is an honest report of actual events.  That is the skill to which i refer.
Yep that is the meme that grips you by the balls & forbids & retards your using one the 12 senses - the sense for language & speech - to it's fullest advantage. The flip side of that meme is that you can argue about anything, ad infinitum!  Enjoy the trip!

Well certainly we all use "the sense for language & speech" ... else we would not even be here talking to each other.  Beyond that i can only presume that you are referring to some special ability that you learned from Steiner.   No, Mark, i do not have any special ability there ... and apparently you do not either, because you missed the fact that the orignal article was misleading.

Q.E.D. .. check out the ad infinitum thingy!

Seth says
MR 2012-04-27 10:52:43 15412
seth 2012-04-27 10:25:27 15412
MR 2012-04-27 09:44:27 15412
seth 2012-04-27 09:16:42 15412
MR 2012-04-27 08:54:16 15412
seth 2012-04-27 08:37:47 15412
MR 2012-04-26 23:08:47 15412
seth 2012-04-26 20:16:25 15412
Drudge report still posts a fallacious lie in a headline to a tabloid story, even though it has already been debunked ...



I think you should still shove it up your ASS.  Your one debunk is pure speculation & editorial -carries no more weight than any of the others.

Well there is a skill involved ... even in our new internet world where propaganda flies faster than truth.
Skill, what skill?  The skill in reading English & knowing exactly what it says even without speculation upon what it says & what it means.  Still further you might develop the skill to read minds & intuit the author's point of view without actually communicating with him or her, eh? The ultimate skill here is to face something you do not like, perhaps, & do it with equanimity & not descend into the RWG with the jerk of a knee. Perhaps the ultimate skill is to refrain from reading any shit on the Internet at all -  including this!

Well yeah there are those skills too.   But it is impossible to read "English & know exactly what it says even without speculation upon what it says & what it means" ... because there is no such "knowing" ... every usage of English is subject to the readers interpretation and there is no "meaning" for the reader outside of that.   The trick on the internet is to know when something has been concocted based upon the authors agenda or is an honest report of actual events.  That is the skill to which i refer.
Yep that is the meme that grips you by the balls & forbids & retards your using one the 12 senses - the sense for language & speech - to it's fullest advantage. The flip side of that meme is that you can argue about anything, ad infinitum!  Enjoy the trip!

Well certainly we all use "the sense for language & speech" ... else we would not even be here talking to each other.  Beyond that i can only presume that you are referring to some special ability that you learned from Steiner.   No, Mark, i do not have any special ability there ... and apparently you do not either, because you missed the fact that the orignal article was misleading.

Q.E.D. .. check out the ad infinitum thingy!
Well apparently you don't want to talk about it ... but i am still left not knowing whether my presumption (bolded above) was correct or not.  Was it?

Mark de LA says
UK Telegraph: ... The 270-seat chamber, in which the Brotherhood has 105 seats and the Salafists have 45, has attracted widespread criticism for obsessing over details of Islamic faith at the expense of more pressing issues. Of particular ridicule was a bizarre debate on whether a man could legally have sex with his wife in the hours following her death, on the basis that they were still married in the afterlife.

"They are talking about necrophilia when the country is in a shambles," scorned Ali Abdelwahab, a hospital doctor drinking after work in a Cairo bar. As he did so, his mobile telephone rings, a colleague asking for advice on a friend injured in a shooting.

"Shouldn't parliament be worrying about the insecurity, with people getting shot and robbed? A lot of Egyptians are losing faith in the Islamists already, and will probably just vote for Moussa, even if they don't like him that much."

Last week, Mr Moussa and Mr Aboul-Fotouh went head to head in a live televised presidential debate, the first ever in Egypt's history.

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Seth says
M 2012-05-13 17:41:39 15412
UK Telegraph: ... The 270-seat chamber, in which the Brotherhood has 105 seats and the Salafists have 45, has attracted widespread criticism for obsessing over details of Islamic faith at the expense of more pressing issues. Of particular ridicule was a bizarre debate on whether a man could legally have sex with his wife in the hours following her death, on the basis that they were still married in the afterlife.

"They are talking about necrophilia when the country is in a shambles," scorned Ali Abdelwahab, a hospital doctor drinking after work in a Cairo bar. As he did so, his mobile telephone rings, a colleague asking for advice on a friend injured in a shooting.

"Shouldn't parliament be worrying about the insecurity, with people getting shot and robbed? A lot of Egyptians are losing faith in the Islamists already, and will probably just vote for Moussa, even if they don't like him that much."

Last week, Mr Moussa and Mr Aboul-Fotouh went head to head in a live televised presidential debate, the first ever in Egypt's history.

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... and i will bet that necrophilia didn't come up once in the debate.  

Mark de LA says
Perhaps I should start a news WTF page here's one from Korea:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2140702/South-Korea-customs-officials-thousands-pills-filled-powdered-human-baby-flesh.html

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-05-13 21:48:24 15412
M 2012-05-13 17:41:39 15412
UK Telegraph: ... The 270-seat chamber, in which the Brotherhood has 105 seats and the Salafists have 45, has attracted widespread criticism for obsessing over details of Islamic faith at the expense of more pressing issues. Of particular ridicule was a bizarre debate on whether a man could legally have sex with his wife in the hours following her death, on the basis that they were still married in the afterlife.

"They are talking about necrophilia when the country is in a shambles," scorned Ali Abdelwahab, a hospital doctor drinking after work in a Cairo bar. As he did so, his mobile telephone rings, a colleague asking for advice on a friend injured in a shooting.

"Shouldn't parliament be worrying about the insecurity, with people getting shot and robbed? A lot of Egyptians are losing faith in the Islamists already, and will probably just vote for Moussa, even if they don't like him that much."

Last week, Mr Moussa and Mr Aboul-Fotouh went head to head in a live televised presidential debate, the first ever in Egypt's history.

...

... and i will bet that necrophilia didn't come up once in the debate.  
Make up your own universe & it will serve you.

Mark de LA says
What with Mubarak in & out of consciousness & sentenced to life in prison  comes a dissolution of the Egyptian parlament.  Here in the first part of a lightning round on Foxnews is the Egyptian prognostications:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/special-report-panel-arab-spring-europe-and-more_647348.html
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The analysis seems to be reasonable.

Seth says
M 2012-06-24 14:18:15 15412
seth 2012-06-24 14:06:52 15412
source: M above
he blue stuff contradicts itself above.
How?
"the political changes in a foreign land are not something that it useful for me to either like or dislike ... hence i try not to waste my emotional energy with that. However knowing what is really happening or might happen is definitely something that is my hobby."
On the one hand you say you don't want to waste emotional energy & on the other hand you make a hobby of knowing what is happening in [a foreign land (the subject of this item)] - seems contradictory to me but maybe you like unemotional, boring hobbies,eh?
There is nothing boring, for me, about becoming aware of the world.  I could  empathize with  emotions others out there are feeling.  When two sides fight i could feel the one and then the other ... or choose not to involve my emotions in either side.  For me there is absolutely no contradiction in that ... it follows directly from my respect for otherness.  A personal detachment is the presumed point of view of a journalist ... a historian ...  even a doctor ...  a policeman .... or a bureaucrat.  That you find contradiction there tells me volumes about your gut philosophy of how we best live in the world.

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-06-24 09:34:49 15412
Other sources tell a different story than your headlines posted above ... specifically that the brotherhood has avowed to uphold the Camp David accords.  I would look for a somewhat less sensationalized analysis to grock what has actually happened. 
Interesting! your other point of view has nothing to do with the headlines above, does it!
What in the underlying articles is false?

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-06-24 13:34:36 15412
M 2012-06-24 11:43:37 15412
seth 2012-06-24 10:35:11 15412
M 2012-06-24 09:54:55 15412
I.E. are those headlines false?
I will bet they are almost certainly outrageous spins.   They are designed to crank your emotions ... not to tell a true story of what is happening.  Apparently they worked.
In other words if you don't like them or you think they are spin YOU SPIN them as OUTRAGEOUS, is that how it goes? .. no substance, do dah .. do dah ...

  nope, nothing like that.   the political changes in a foreign land are not something that it useful for me to either like or dislike ... hence i try not to waste my emotional energy with that.   However knowing what is really happening or might happen is definitely something that is my hobby.  Apart from that I am a student of hype and propaganda.  That is about the only thing that interests me anymore in your items.  To be honest with you, i could go to just about any right-wind blog to get the same messages... but your stuff is just a bit more edgy. 

O, great oracle - so what is really happening? What are your sources for such pronouncements? To be honest with you I could go any content-free RTE & type in ad hominem statements about myself, as artful,  & get a similar measure of the thrill your discourse here has provided.
 I however recomment that you cut the crap!
group UnhackTheBrain is a great place to uncover hype & propaganda if you can do it with precision & example instead of just labels. The blue stuff contradicts itself above.

Mark de LA says
M 2012-06-24 09:40:01 15412
FYI in 2011 there was a different perspective on the Muslim Brotherhood & terrorism:
Source: ... Elements of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist group whose ideology has inspired terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, are in the United States and have supported terrorism here and overseas, FBI Director Robert Mueller told a House committee Thursday
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Discover the Networks has a less politically correct attitude here: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6386
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If one believes that the ends justifies the means ** & that once you have enough power you can finally be yourself then from a Muslim perspective everything is going according to plan.
Some political parties in this country have assholes within them & running them. We must be careful not to condemn the whole party for the very visable assholes. It would be interesting to ask Obama in a press conference if he cheers this outcome of the MB taking over (presuming the military lets them) & was he aware of it & cheering it when the so-called Arab Spring was beginning.
**BTW - Alinsky's Rules for Radicals has it's 2nd chapter on "Of means and Ends"!
One of my questions about Obama was just answered: http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/06/white-house-congratulates-egypts-morsi-127117.html 


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-06-24 14:06:52 15412
source: M above
he blue stuff contradicts itself above.
How?
"the political changes in a foreign land are not something that it useful for me to either like or dislike ... hence i try not to waste my emotional energy with that. However knowing what is really happening or might happen is definitely something that is my hobby."
On the one hand you say you don't want to waste emotional energy & on the other hand you make a hobby of knowing what is happening in [a foreign land (the subject of this item)] - seems contradictory to me but maybe you like unemotional, boring hobbies,eh?

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-06-25 06:14:53 15412
source: M posted a link above

... Oh really ... what question was that?
In the comment in which you found this is the answer to your question - please READ it!


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-06-25 05:58:43 15412
M 2012-06-24 14:18:15 15412
seth 2012-06-24 14:06:52 15412
source: M above
he blue stuff contradicts itself above.
How?
"the political changes in a foreign land are not something that it useful for me to either like or dislike ... hence i try not to waste my emotional energy with that. However knowing what is really happening or might happen is definitely something that is my hobby."
On the one hand you say you don't want to waste emotional energy & on the other hand you make a hobby of knowing what is happening in [a foreign land (the subject of this item)] - seems contradictory to me but maybe you like unemotional, boring hobbies,eh?
There is nothing boring, for me, about becoming aware of the world.  I could  empathize with  emotions others out there are feeling.  When two sides fight i could feel the one and then the other ... or choose not to involve my emotions in either side.  For me there is absolutely no contradiction in that ... it follows directly from my respect for otherness.  A personal detachment is the presumed point of view of a journalist ... a historian ...  even a doctor ...  a policeman .... or a bureaucrat.  That you find contradiction there tells me volumes about your gut philosophy of how we best live in the world.
Well your brain then must be telling you LIES!

Seth says
M 2012-06-25 07:01:28 15412
Other than the fact I don't agree with you you are basically clueless.

well i have all you say and do and that you find contradiction where i do not to form my clues.   But yes it is basically true that i don't really know what is going on over there ... especially when you don't express it. 

All that said ...  do you now believe that there was no contradiction in what i said that you blued ... or are you still believing that i am conflicted there?  

Mark de LA says
M 2012-06-25 15:39:18 15412

APPARENTLY accordingly IRAN made up in a faked interview or something most of the more troubling parts of the headlines. Nevertheless the clarity of whether the Muslim B'Hood still has ties to terrorism is very much missing & the WH should clarify fully before getting into bed with them & sending American foreign aid to them.

& then ... maybe not http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/brotherhood-leader-won-t-speak-israeli-journalist_647858.html

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-06-26 11:40:22 15412
I find ...
... considerably more informative.


I find it interesting & has different information from Morsi & his advisor. The interesting changes of VPs is not out of Morsi's mouth. OTOH, it could be a nice change for Egypt.  The military's part in the whole govermnent could alter the picture quite radically.

Mark de LA says
Fascinating story, so far not corroborated by anybody else or just is not in the news.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/arab-spring-run-amok-brotherhood-starts-crucifixions/


Mark de LA says
I wonder if these DRUDGE headlines & pictures will disabuse some to think differently about the Muslim Brotherhood's peaceful intentions? ... Or Obama's skill at Middle East policy?


US EMBASSIES IN ALGERIA, TUNISIA WARN OF PROTESTS...

Years of warning about embassy security preceded Libya attack...


Mark de LA says
The "offending movie" ? talked about by foxnews. Trailer : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSlPE04Ubt4 ....


Mark de LA says
My question seems to be - It seems quite politically correct to offend and bash Christians all over the World.  Why is Islam & it's atrocious record against women exempt?
... just asking.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-09-12 11:41:07 15412
MR 2012-09-12 10:18:55 15412
My question seems to be - It seems quite politically correct to offend and bash Christians all over the World.  Why is Islam & it's atrocious record against women exempt?
... just asking.

Exempt to who?  Muslims believe that mocking the profit or Islam is a tort punishable by death ... I think that might even be in the Koran.  That is why to a Muslim believes "Islam is exempt" from criticism and mocking. Obviously any rational person will reject that exemption. Still and all being tolerant of others beliefs is to follow the golden rule ... even when you reject those beliefs with the core of your being.  That is one reason I try not to mock or degrade Islam ... not out of fear, but out of respect for its otherness.

I liked the way our president expressed that in his statement today:  "Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths.  We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.  But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence."

Contrast that with Romney's  balligerant words:  "America will not tolerate attacks against on our citizens and against our embassies.  We'll defend also our constitutional rights of speech and assembly and religion …"

I'm glad that Obama still speaks for America ... and dread the day another caber rattling warmonger may take over.
Obama speaks more often for Muslims than he does for America or Christians & mostly it is for himself. What did he say on the anniversary of 9-11? ......... wait for it .......wait for it ..... wait for it ....... too late: It's 9/12.


Mark de LA says
So according to your BULLSHIT, Seth, it's ok for people to kill your ambassador & burn your flag & substitute ALqueda's flag for the American flag because we should respect Islam's beliefs.




Seth says
MR 2012-09-12 14:47:40 15412
seth 2012-09-12 14:42:39 15412
MR 2012-09-12 14:28:49 15412
seth 2012-09-12 13:55:41 15412
source: Mark criticizes me above for
... "your lack of a cohesive condemnation of the people who insulted the US or the part Islamists played in it!"
Well my president and the secretary of state did quite an adequate job of that speaking on my behalf.   If i were to have condemned the dastardly acts myself i would have used the same words.  There was no need for me to say it myself.   What is even more interesting is the conjecture at foxnews that the whole thing including the release of the video was orchestrated by Al-Quada.  Hence Obama's emphasis on finding and prosecuiting the criminals was the salient point of the American reaction.  Hmmm ... did Romney and you miss that one?
Yep, Obama & even Bill C. were of the mind that there is no such thing as terrorism only criminals who ...
Source: ... the host of euphemisms that’s been trotted out as part of the Obama Administration’s approach to the war on terror. Since 2009, “rogue states” have become “outliers”; vague phrases like “overseas contingency operations,” “man-caused disasters,” “countering violent extremism” and �" most recently �" “kinetic military action” have entered the national lexicon.
 Jon Stewart at least had a sense of humor this time.

The distinction between a "terrorist" and a "criminal" is only semantic.
It's an attempt to rebrand terrorism away, DUDE!


Yep, because it was branded wrong.  Note, Obama has done more to directly eliminate the criminals who are perpetrating these acts of so called "terrorism" than George Bush ever did ... with the exception of Bush wiping out the Taliban in Afghanistan.  

I don't think the your "DUDE" added anything to the veracity of your comment.  Do you really think it did?

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-09-12 13:19:36 15412
MR 2012-09-12 12:16:16 15412
So according to your BULLSHIT, Seth, it's ok for people to kill your ambassador & burn your flag & substitute ALqueda's flag for the American flag because we should respect Islam's beliefs.





There is a giant shuffle of logical references  in your words.  Perhaps you were distracted by your anger when you composed them.  Please don't put those kind of contradictions in my mouth just to play your dastardly RWG.  You should  be ashamed of yourself. 

just !
The giant shuffle of reality in your mind is only exceeded by your lack of a cohesive condemnation of the people who insulted the US or the part Islamists played in it!


Mark de LA says
Some in the leftie wing of life erected into being the notion of "hate crimes" as different from just atrocities & mayhem & stuff already on the books.  Just semantics except that if you can brainwash the jury you get double sentences etc.
remind you of anything?  The n-word could double your sentence.  In the Middle East a cartoon of Mohammed could get you life.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-09-12 13:55:41 15412
source: Mark criticizes me above for
... "your lack of a cohesive condemnation of the people who insulted the US or the part Islamists played in it!"
Well my president and the secretary of state did quite an adequate job of that speaking on my behalf.   If i were to have condemned the dastardly acts myself i would have used the same words.  There was no need for me to say it myself.   What is even more interesting is the conjecture at foxnews that the whole thing including the release of the video was orchestrated by Al-Quada.  Hence Obama's emphasis on finding and prosecuiting the criminals was the salient point of the American reaction.  Hmmm ... did Romney and you miss that one?
Yep, Obama & even Bill C. were of the mind that there is no such thing as terrorism only criminals who ...
Source: ... the host of euphemisms that’s been trotted out as part of the Obama Administration’s approach to the war on terror. Since 2009, “rogue states” have become “outliers”; vague phrases like “overseas contingency operations,” “man-caused disasters,” “countering violent extremism” and – most recently – “kinetic military action” have entered the national lexicon.
 Jon Stewart at least had a sense of humor this time.

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-09-12 14:42:39 15412
MR 2012-09-12 14:28:49 15412
seth 2012-09-12 13:55:41 15412
source: Mark criticizes me above for
... "your lack of a cohesive condemnation of the people who insulted the US or the part Islamists played in it!"
Well my president and the secretary of state did quite an adequate job of that speaking on my behalf.   If i were to have condemned the dastardly acts myself i would have used the same words.  There was no need for me to say it myself.   What is even more interesting is the conjecture at foxnews that the whole thing including the release of the video was orchestrated by Al-Quada.  Hence Obama's emphasis on finding and prosecuiting the criminals was the salient point of the American reaction.  Hmmm ... did Romney and you miss that one?
Yep, Obama & even Bill C. were of the mind that there is no such thing as terrorism only criminals who ...
Source: ... the host of euphemisms that’s been trotted out as part of the Obama Administration’s approach to the war on terror. Since 2009, “rogue states” have become “outliers”; vague phrases like “overseas contingency operations,” “man-caused disasters,” “countering violent extremism” and �" most recently �" “kinetic military action” have entered the national lexicon.
 Jon Stewart at least had a sense of humor this time.

The distinction between a "terrorist" and a "criminal" is only semantic.
It's an attempt to rebrand terrorism away, DUDE!


Mark de LA says
FLASHBACK:
Source: ...

In February, Obama said, “One of the proudest things of my three years in office is helping to restore a sense of respect for America around the world, a belief that we are not just defined by the size of our military.”

Three years ago in Cairo, Obama stressed his leadership would be dramatically different than former President George W. Bush’s: “I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect; and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition.”

...
[See also: item 16187]

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-09-12 14:52:47 15412
MR 2012-09-12 14:47:40 15412
seth 2012-09-12 14:42:39 15412
MR 2012-09-12 14:28:49 15412
seth 2012-09-12 13:55:41 15412
source: Mark criticizes me above for
... "your lack of a cohesive condemnation of the people who insulted the US or the part Islamists played in it!"
Well my president and the secretary of state did quite an adequate job of that speaking on my behalf.   If i were to have condemned the dastardly acts myself i would have used the same words.  There was no need for me to say it myself.   What is even more interesting is the conjecture at foxnews that the whole thing including the release of the video was orchestrated by Al-Quada.  Hence Obama's emphasis on finding and prosecuiting the criminals was the salient point of the American reaction.  Hmmm ... did Romney and you miss that one?
Yep, Obama & even Bill C. were of the mind that there is no such thing as terrorism only criminals who ...
Source: ... the host of euphemisms that’s been trotted out as part of the Obama Administration’s approach to the war on terror. Since 2009, “rogue states” have become “outliers”; vague phrases like “overseas contingency operations,” “man-caused disasters,” “countering violent extremism” and �" most recently �" “kinetic military action” have entered the national lexicon.
 Jon Stewart at least had a sense of humor this time.

The distinction between a "terrorist" and a "criminal" is only semantic.
It's an attempt to rebrand terrorism away, DUDE!


Yep, because it was branded wrong.  Note, Obama has done more to directly eliminate the criminals who are perpetrating these acts of so called "terrorism" than George Bush ever did ... with the exception of Bush wiping out the Taliban in Afghanistan.  

I don't think the your "DUDE" added anything to the veracity of your comment.  Do you really think it did?
Nope! OTOH, your lies about Obama did nothing to convince me.  Most of the predators & drones & intelligence about Obama was in place when Obama stepped into office. He added nothing new. In fact had their presidencies been reversed we (the USA) probably would not have the capabilities we have today, nor the (sic) intelligence.


Seth says
MR 2012-09-12 15:02:15 15412
seth 2012-09-12 14:52:47 15412
MR 2012-09-12 14:47:40 15412
seth 2012-09-12 14:42:39 15412
MR 2012-09-12 14:28:49 15412
seth 2012-09-12 13:55:41 15412
source: Mark criticizes me above for
... "your lack of a cohesive condemnation of the people who insulted the US or the part Islamists played in it!"
Well my president and the secretary of state did quite an adequate job of that speaking on my behalf.   If i were to have condemned the dastardly acts myself i would have used the same words.  There was no need for me to say it myself.   What is even more interesting is the conjecture at foxnews that the whole thing including the release of the video was orchestrated by Al-Quada.  Hence Obama's emphasis on finding and prosecuiting the criminals was the salient point of the American reaction.  Hmmm ... did Romney and you miss that one?
Yep, Obama & even Bill C. were of the mind that there is no such thing as terrorism only criminals who ...
Source: ... the host of euphemisms that’s been trotted out as part of the Obama Administration’s approach to the war on terror. Since 2009, “rogue states” have become “outliers”; vague phrases like “overseas contingency operations,” “man-caused disasters,” “countering violent extremism” and �" most recently �" “kinetic military action” have entered the national lexicon.
 Jon Stewart at least had a sense of humor this time.

The distinction between a "terrorist" and a "criminal" is only semantic.
It's an attempt to rebrand terrorism away, DUDE!


Yep, because it was branded wrong.  Note, Obama has done more to directly eliminate the criminals who are perpetrating these acts of so called "terrorism" than George Bush ever did ... with the exception of Bush wiping out the Taliban in Afghanistan.  

I don't think the your "DUDE" added anything to the veracity of your comment.  Do you really think it did?
Nope! OTOH, your lies about Obama did nothing to convince me.  Most of the predators & drones & intelligence about Obama was in place when Obama stepped into office. He added nothing new. In fact had their presidencies been reversed we (the USA) probably would not have the capabilities we have today, nor the (sic) intelligence.


Maybe, maybe not ... i certainly do not have sufficient background in intelligence and secrurity measures to make that kind of determination. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-09-12 15:02:08 15412
MR 2012-09-12 14:53:08 15412
Some in the leftie wing of life erected into being the notion of "hate crimes" as different from just atrocities & mayhem & stuff already on the books.  Just semantics except that if you can brainwash the jury you get double sentences etc.
remind you of anything?  The n-word could double your sentence.  In the Middle East a cartoon of Mohammed could get you life.

Yep ... semantics is important ... which is why we should strive to get it right ... and not corrupt it.
NOPE! It's not semantics, it's not point-of-view, it's phony political correctness & political re-branding & it's NOT WORKING!


Mark de LA says
More DRUDGE Headlines & info:
Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'...
State Dept 'had credible information 48 hours before'...
Revealed: Inside story of ambassador's assassination...
Sensitive documents go missing...
Exposed: Names of Libyans who are working with Americans...
Was 'revenge for drone strike'...

'There were 400 attackers'...
OBAMA ADMINSITRATION DENIES...
PAPER: Egypt intelligence warned on Sept. 4 of possible attacks...



Mark de LA says
seth 2012-09-13 12:20:37 15412
MR 2012-09-13 11:42:56 15412
Apparently,
FoxNews: ...

A Libyan official said Thursday that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a planned, two-part operation that included a raid on a supposedly secret safe house -- an account that comports with what a top U.S. lawmaker told Fox News a day earlier. 

On Wednesday, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers told Fox News that the strike was a "coordinated, military-style" operation.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/consulate-attack-planned-as-2-part-militant-assault-libyan-official-says/#ixzz26NPYX0Mv
... & not a spontaneous reaction to some movie? Did we bail out the rebels & helped get rid of Gadaffi just to have the kill our ambassador on the anniversary of 9-11?



Good thing your fingers didn't collaborate with your mind in writing that sentence ... how can a "the" kill anyone.  Incidentally it wasn't the rebels who killed the ambassador ... the reports say it was Al Quada. 
Well, DUDE, if I called you on every one of your misspellings or violations of English we whould have nothing else here.  Al Queda is the usual spelling butthole. What's Al Queda doing in there except that the people in charge let them stay there?


Mark de LA says
Hmmm.... getting closer to using the T-word.
 ...

Sufyan Ben Qumu is thought to have been involved and even may have led the attack, Fox News' intelligence sources said. Qumu, a Libyan, was released from the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in 2007 and transferred into Libyan custody on the condition he be kept in jail. His Guantanamo files also show he has ties to the financiers behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Olson, repeating Wednesday that the FBI is handling the Benghazi investigation, also acknowledged the attack could lead back to Al Qaeda and its affiliates. 

"We are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda's affiliates, in particular Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb," he said at the Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing. 

Still, Olsen said "the facts that we have now indicate that this was an opportunistic attack on our embassy, the attack began and evolved and escalated over several hours," Olson said. 

...


Mark de LA says
There are still some nagging questions as to WTF is going on over there:
source: ...

Tonight, Bret Baier of Fox News reported that intelligence sources believe that the mastermind of the al Qaeda attack on our Libyan consulate is one Sufyan Ben Qumu. Qumu was a tank driver in the Libyan army; he was a drug addict and spent time in prison. From there, he fled to Egypt, then went to Afghanistan and joined up with Osama Bin Laden. He later joined the Taliban, and was captured in Pakistan, then turned over to the United States. Qumu was released from Guantanamo Bay in 2007 to the Qaddafi-led Libyan government, on the condition that Libya and the US could reach a “satisfactory agreement … that allows access to detainee and/or access to exploited intelligence.” In 2008, as the Qaddafi government made nice with the Libyan rebels, Qumu was released.

That’s where the story gets even more interesting ...
...



Mark de LA says
seth 2012-09-19 17:47:04 15412
source: M above
Hmmm.... getting closer to using the T-word.
I suspected terrorism from the start ... i believe so did the intelligence community.  Who was it that said something to the effect that "you don't show up for a peaceful demonstration to object to a movie with a fire bomb and an ak-47 in your back pocket".

Mark de LA says
And now since the egyptian brotherhood controls the government some of the people don't like the seizing of control by their president & are protesting again - see movie.
& more shit.


BROTHERHOOD BATTLE...

Clashes reignite between protesters, security forces in Egypt...

Judges Vow to Oppose Mursi Power Grab...

Egypt's stock market plummets...

Turmoil...



Mark de LA says


UPDATE: EGYPT ISLAMISTS HURRIEDLY APPROVE NEW CONSTITUTION...

Liberals, leftists, Christians, moderate Muslims withdrew before vote...

Retains Islamic law as main source of legislation...

No equal rights for women; owning slaves not banned... 
..
..
The above are Drudge Report headlines for this morning. Is this really what the so-called Arab Spring was all about?  Is this where Syria is headed?


Mark de LA says
... & now Muslim gang rapes
Source: ...

Egypt's ruling party is paying gangs of thugs to sexually assault women protesting in Cairo's Tahrir Square against President Mohamed Morsi, activists said.

They also said the Muslim Brotherhood is paying gangs to beat up men who are taking part in the latest round of protests, which followed a decree by President Morsi to give himself sweeping new powers.

It comes as the Muslim Brotherhood co-ordinated a demonstration today in support of President Mohamed Morsi, who is rushing through a constitution to try to defuse opposition fury over his newly expanded powers.
...


Mark de LA says
& what you reap is what you sew

'FREEDOM OR WE DIE'...
Protesters break through police lines...
MORSI FLEES PALACE


Mark de LA says


Egypt marks revolution with mass protests against Mursi...

Sign in Tahrir Square: ‘Obama you jerk, Muslim Brotherhoods are killing the Egyptians'...
While Obama allows 15
F-16s & Abram Tanksshipped to Morsi's Egypt.
Apparently the government in the US takes armament away from the people while it doesn't mind arming unfriendly regimes abroad.
Way to go, fuckers!

Mark de LA says
(**) from facebook 

Mark de LA says
Egypt was free of theocratic tyranny although not dictatorship for a long time.
Maybe they won't go back to that either.
~
Not working so well for the Muslim Brotherhood:

MUSLIM BROS LOSING CONTROL...

Egyptians flout curfew...

Military chief warns of collapse...

Chaos Mounts...
  ..... (& yet Obama admin still going to let through F-18s & Tank purchase?)

Mark de LA says
Apparently those folks are still not happy:


ULTIMATUM TO MORSI: YOU HAVE ONE DAY...

Protesters storm Muslim Bros HQ...

Set ablaze, looted...

10 killed after millions flood streets...

Dutch reporter gang-raped in Tahrir Sq...

Revolution returns...


Mark de LA says
Some kinds of revolutions just turn to shit in the Middle East.


BLOODBATH IN CAIRO; 51 DEAD...

Massacre at Muslim Brotherhood sit-in...

Islamists call for 'intifada'...

Sexual assaults rampant...

**WARNING GRAPHIC** Gang throws rivals from top of building...

Lynch mob waving Al Qaeda banners...

Law requires Obama cut off Egyptian aid...

Cairo seeks Gulf help as unrest continues...

Gunmen attack Sinai checkpoints close to Israel border...

Hundreds of Morsi supporters rally in Chicago...


Mark de LA says
So much for the revolution:


Mark de LA says
& then ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/08/15/obama-golfs-kerry-lectures-egyptians-die-in-droves/
... O, well Obama got BinLaden (Sealteam 6 got him that is ) nothing else counts, eh?

Put it this way: President Obama’s Egypt policy is about as effective as his Syria policy. And for the first time Wednesday, with the number of dead and injured mounting, one could almost envision Egypt’s descent into out-and-out civil war.

Secretary of State John Kerry

Secretary of State John Kerry comments on the situation in Egypt. (Evan Vucci/Associated Press)

Obama was briefed, said nothing and went back to golf. Secretary of State John Kerry took a break from his fruitless obsession with the nonexistent “peace process” to condemn the violence, but took no questions and had no policy announcement. This, in a nutshell, is the White House’s approach to the Middle East — the absence of any policy and a lot of empty words.


Seth says
... & then back to square 1

Egypt’s ‘revolution’ is over as people accept imposition of military rule 

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/05/3667239/egypts-revolution-is-over-as-people.html#storylink=cpy

MeE says
... Spring turns back to Winter.


Eiamyme says
Back into the long Winter:
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/open-jihad-declared-in-egypt-following-state-dept-meeting-with-muslim-brotherhood-aligned-leaders/
...
The Obama shepherd Kerry apparent results lead back to Winter.
source: ...

“It is incumbent upon everyone to be aware that we are in the process of a new phase, where we summon what is latent in our strength, where we recall the meanings of jihad and prepare ourselves, our wives, our sons, our daughters, and whoever marched on our path to a long, uncompromising jihad, and during this stage we ask for martyrdom,” it states.

Preparation for jihad is a key theme of the Brotherhood’s latest call for jihad.

...


Eiamyme says
Maybe because they can't decide who is a terrorist & who isn't.  Seems as if this all seemed to start when the Taliban wouldn't hand over BinLaden.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/30/white-house-acknowledges-but-also-denies-that-taliban-are-terrorist-group/
..
Ambiguity is the mememe of the day - words losing their meaning.  Obama encapsulates ambiguity from his genetics, through his upbringing in Indonesia to his policies as POTUS against the Congress.


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