Wiki Leaks on Government Waste

Here is a simple way to weed out government waste & duplication. Use & reward whistle-blowers to publish & uncover duplication, fraud, inefficiency & the like & then fire those participating including their managers as far up the chain of command as is necessary to prune that part of the government money tree. Notify the public whose senators & congresspeople are responsible for the programs.  Of course the details of the reward system will have to be worked out such that corruption is avoided & the public is informed on the Internet of what program is wasteful.
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  1. government waste
  2. spending

Comments


Mark de LA says
The biggest chalenge of all is that because there is so much government waste that you almost need a bureaucracy to manage the discovery & rooting out process.


Seth says
M 2011-07-31 11:32:45 15421
seth 2011-07-31 10:29:42 15421
having what is spent and what is budgeted being open linked data would also help. 
How would that begin to work or what would that begin to look like?  With 80 million checks per month how do you aggregate that into a manageable pile or workable hyper pie chart adventure?  Back in the days of HyPie I found out that government hides shit off budget & under millions of shell budgest, eg.  Social Security.

Well designing the database would not be much of a problem ... though describing the government accounts in words that are understandable by your average joe would be quite a challenge. 

I'm not really sure what phase of the process you are questioning.

Mark de LA says
seth 2011-07-31 10:29:42 15421
having what is spent and what is budgeted being open linked data would also help. 
How would that begin to work or what would that begin to look like?  With 80 million checks per month how do you aggregate that into a manageable pile or workable hyper pie chart adventure?  Back in the days of HyPie I found out that government hides shit off budget & under millions of shell budgest, eg.  Social Security.


Mark de LA says
How is linked data going to help?

C says
M 2011-07-31 23:05:36 15421
How is linked data going to help?
I was thinking symloops of expense information as linked data floating around in the cloud for all to see.  What were you thinking of?


Seth says
M 2011-07-31 23:05:36 15421
How is linked data going to help?
Well to answer that question, thankfully here at fastblogit we won't need to start the conversation from scratch but can pull from a previous one.  To retrieve it start in the room open government and in particular The New Semantic Web ? and even more specifically with Tim Berners Lee's article "Putting Government Data online".  You might even want to watch the video.  Now since that dialogue started back in 2009 i have been sort of watching, but have not gotten close enough to actual projects to give you an up-to-date summary of what is actually happening ... but hopefully those pointers will give you the drift of how "i think linked data is going to help".

 

Seth says
C 2011-07-31 23:09:59 15421
M 2011-07-31 23:05:36 15421
How is linked data going to help?
I was thinking symloops of expense information as linked data floating around in the cloud for all to see.  What were you thinking of?

Yes, pretty much.   You can break this down into discussions of which format is best, which facilities (governmental and private) are needed, and politically what legislation needs to be passed.  

If i were to take such a project seriously, i would need to know what kind of information is already available now about what moneys are actually spent and the budgets.  Do you know what they are?

C says
seth 2011-08-01 09:32:23 15421
C 2011-07-31 23:09:59 15421
M 2011-07-31 23:05:36 15421
How is linked data going to help?
I was thinking symloops of expense information as linked data floating around in the cloud for all to see.  What were you thinking of?

Yes, pretty much.   You can break this down into discussions of which format is best, which facilities (governmental and private) are needed, and politically what legislation needs to be passed.  

If i were to take such a project seriously, i would need to know what kind of information is already available now about what moneys are actually spent and the budgets.  Do you know what they are?
The short answer is nope! .... We the People need the political will to make it all transparent regardless of whether we are benefactors or givers. I had hoped that the current mess over debt ceiling would push things over the edge, but sadly it is just the same in Washington Dc.  The treasury chart of accounts probably exceeds 3 DVD disks.  This is good cause to throw all the bums out!


C says
Since nobody can actually wrap their mind around the whole government expenditure slush fund.  My speculation is that it is operated exactly that way - as a slush fund - for re-election & favoritism for crony capitalism & the ruling class elite.  Go look at your http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us/ & imagine one symloop for each of the $100 bills & you can see what the magnitude of the challenge is. Doing it first for the state of California or Washington has a better chance.
 

C says
I wonder if it were possible to start with something like the national debt clock & drill down from there to individual parts of the picture.


Seth says
source: M above
The treasury chart of accounts probably exceeds 3 DVD disks.  This is good cause to throw all the bums out!
I don't get this.  The government does many things and they all need to be accounted for.  The detailed nature of the accounts is not a symptom of anything except detailed accounting.  One can only assume that each account is a sub account of a sub account, etc.  We should be able to start at the highest level and delve down.  I expect that the chart of accounts discloses the classification tree.

Seth says
C 2011-08-02 07:37:21 15421
I wonder if it were possible to start with something like the national debt clock & drill down from there to individual parts of the picture.

Why not start with the actual chart of accounts? ??

C says
seth 2011-08-02 08:16:32 15421
source: M above
The treasury chart of accounts probably exceeds 3 DVD disks.  This is good cause to throw all the bums out!
I don't get this.  The government does many things and they all need to be accounted for.  The detailed nature of the accounts is not a symptom of anything except detailed accounting.  One can only assume that each account is a sub account of a sub account, etc.  We should be able to start at the highest level and delve down.  I expect that the chart of accounts discloses the classification tree.
This was just a magnitude wake up!


C says
seth 2011-08-02 08:17:39 15421
C 2011-08-02 07:37:21 15421
I wonder if it were possible to start with something like the national debt clock & drill down from there to individual parts of the picture.

Why not start with the actual chart of accounts? ??
I was just talking here about an external interface like a dashboard or what they used to call expert systems.


C says
I used to work in a bank and briefly on the G/L software. The chart of accounts was fluid.  At times they would add new numbers & aggregate others at will for different purposes.  Presumably they reconciled one set with another as it was a private company not subject to the same kind accounting standards as the government.


Seth says
Linked Data: Evolving the Web into a Global Data Space

Mark de LA says
M 2011-08-05 14:19:49 15421
Here are just a few for the current Congressional consideration: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsearch.xpd?q=lobbying
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Notice HR 2340 & HR 2339 seem to be springboards both referred to committee.

Notice that the attorney general is chief in the enforcement area.  But, the attorney general is of the party in power.


Mark de LA says
seth 2011-08-05 13:31:19 15421
M 2011-08-05 10:45:42 15421
So, instead of attacking the National Debt how can we make all transactions of Big Lobby available on the Internet including campaign contributions in a way that exposes things which are against We the People's interests & return to the days of truly representative government?
 
How about passing a federal law that all lobby contributions, perks, and political contributions must be published on the web.  Before accepting the contribution, the politician must check that it is accessible, if they don't then they would be committing a felony.
I suspect that there are laws close to what you describe in the campaign finance domain. But, like congress herself, there are loopholes everywhere. We're talking about the thin line between bribery & political contributions & Congress writes the laws & Obama currently signs them.


Mark de LA says
Here are just a few for the current Congressional consideration: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsearch.xpd?q=lobbying
...
Notice HR 2340 & HR 2339 seem to be springboards both referred to committee.


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