Get a Life ! aka The Medium IS The Message
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Seth says
Here are some tangible examples of what a integrated system should do ...
- I was watching a Sunday talk show with Denise and i mentioned that though one of the talking heads, Donna Brazil, had been an actual office holder in either the Senate or the House. Denise didn't think so. We wanted to know the truth of the matter. So i whipped out my pod and googled here and found her Wikipedia article and determined that she was just a chairperson and not an actual office holder.
- I discovered a online radio streaming program about blind cooking that i want to watch tonight but i was at my desktop ... so i had to schedule it to watch on a small screen (pod or pad) tonight at 10 pm via my reading list.
- in general i discover many things that i want to read, listen to, or watch while i am at my desktop ... some of these are time critical, some not ... i would like to be able to forward all of my schedules to other screens when my body is in a position to appreciat them.
- there were some other examples, but i forgot them ... prolly because i couldnt mark and forward at the time they occured
Seth says
Point well taken! Being mesmerized in front of a screen doing some interaction for which there are no consequences is addicting and a total waste of time and, from my point of view, is not living a human life.
M 2012-01-07 11:05:14 15748
seth 2012-01-07 10:45:16 15748
M 2012-01-07 10:40:06 15748
What are you up to ? ...some paranoid distinction you want to fight? What do you want to do that you already don't have a hundred ways to accomplish?
I really don't have any big thing that i am doing here ... to be honest this is just my reaction to you saying "get a life". Revisit the mind set, context, and intention of why you said that to answer your question.
Those who glue their eyeballs to the TV, Internet or computerized games need to get a life outside the droidness of their existence. Take a walk in nature, play a physical game of racquetball or talk to some real people in the mall - eyeball to eyeball, IMHO. Your mileage may differ.
Point well taken! Being mesmerized in front of a screen doing some interaction for which there are no consequences is addicting and a total waste of time and, from my point of view, is not living a human life.
That said and appreciated, times change and interacting with what is geographically remote from your person has become essential part of human life. You can adopt an attitude which recognizes it as opening up new possibilities for discovery and interaction ... or you can hate it and hanker back to a simpler time. Your choice.
Don't forget that reading a book is just looking at a screen with which you cannot interact.
Don't forget that reading a book is just looking at a screen with which you cannot interact.
Seth says
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Well if you want to make judgements ... for me, what makes a difference is NOT which media, sense, or screen that is being attended to ... rather it is the quality of the attention. Is it passive ... or can you project your own actions into it ... is your time spent in a conversation or dance, or is it just a fixation ... does it have consequences for yourself and others, or is it just part of the cosmic static. All new media is moving in the direction of real time, in the now, with greater interaction. I judge that to be an improvement. The parts of that that disturb me is where interactions are over-guided by the interests of the corporations carrying the media.
M 2012-01-10 09:44:17 15748
Yes & can you get that to watch TV all day long or stick you head up the Internet decreases your focus & awareness of the outside world which has a much different texture & interaction. In case you don't get that, ponder pornorgraphy. No matter how much you excite your mind from pictures, movies, electronic masturbation etc. it is not the same as a real fuck!
M
2012-01-10 09:46:57 15748
Actually, I think
that the movies: The Matrix, The
Matrix Reloaded & the Matrix Revolutions made my point
as well.
Well if you want to make judgements ... for me, what makes a difference is NOT which media, sense, or screen that is being attended to ... rather it is the quality of the attention. Is it passive ... or can you project your own actions into it ... is your time spent in a conversation or dance, or is it just a fixation ... does it have consequences for yourself and others, or is it just part of the cosmic static. All new media is moving in the direction of real time, in the now, with greater interaction. I judge that to be an improvement. The parts of that that disturb me is where interactions are over-guided by the interests of the corporations carrying the media.
Seth says
M 2012-01-11 12:28:57 15748
sorry, you had me in agreement until you took your last swipe at corporation bashing!
sorry, you had me in agreement until you took your last swipe at corporation bashing! Well please note my intentional connection of this to the room tagged 15154 . The "artificial boundaries" in our media are to a great degree
created just to serve the interests of corporations. The very idea of
broadcast network channels vs ip addresses speaks directly to that
division. This was not just some gratuitous disingenuous swipe but
rather forms an integral part of the meaning of this item ... but what it is not connected to, except perhaps in your mind, is the liberal vs conservative fight room.
[no judgmental emitocon necessary here]
[no judgmental emitocon necessary here]
Seth says
kewl !
M 2012-01-10 10:05:38 15748
I can pause my TV & go take a piss or a fuck or do anything at my computer & come back to it already. Then there is the app to control your DVR from anyplace: http://www.redferret.net/?p=25967
... what else?
kewl !
Seth says
Good for you!
I don't "worship" electronics or media either ... whatever that might mean. I also like to "keep abrest of the times at my own choosing" ... thing is i am limited by some of the artificial walls in my environment that impede my free choice. My objective here is to remove just as many of those walls as i possibly can.
I do call myself being a man of the times and am proud to be so. There are good things and bad things here. I do the best i can, within my own century, to tune into the good and ignore as much as possible the bad. Woopse ... i just remember what i had forgotten in the last comment ...
M 2012-01-08 13:11:26 15748
I'm neither a Luddite nor a worshipper of electronics & media; the latter being a fine tool but not a life in the NOW most of the time. Personal communication improvements seem to lag behind technology not likely to improve in the truth, beauty & goodness domain as exemplified by the GOP primaries & news outlets. I keep abrest of the times at my own choosing.
Good for you!I don't "worship" electronics or media either ... whatever that might mean. I also like to "keep abrest of the times at my own choosing" ... thing is i am limited by some of the artificial walls in my environment that impede my free choice. My objective here is to remove just as many of those walls as i possibly can.
I do call myself being a man of the times and am proud to be so. There are good things and bad things here. I do the best i can, within my own century, to tune into the good and ignore as much as possible the bad. Woopse ... i just remember what i had forgotten in the last comment ...
- We were in the bed and Denise mentioned that there was a dish that i had made recently that she liked and would like me to make again ... but she couldnt remeber what it was ... nor could I. Well since i photograph most of my dishes and file them, i could easily visit my Picasa album and find this particular dish which, even with its flaws that i remember now, is scheduled for some future meal.
Can you grock that these are all increases in awareness and expansions of choice ... not the opposite?
Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-11 22:28:25 15748
M 2012-01-11 13:06:48 15748
The artificiality is in YOUR MIND! This is a system under evolution. There is no conspiracy. Economics which are unconstrained will eventually end up with the best products unless government intervenes & then, all good intentions aside, like Amtrak will end producing shit.
Well there is no intention here to suggest any kind of "government intervention" ... you might have though you were in your government fight club ... instead we are just discussing culture here.
One way this kind of thing can progress is that industry dialogue convenes around more open protocols and then converges on standards ... those companies who continue their territorial predation are simply gone around and people loose interest in their channels ... no governmental regulatory or legislative actions are necessary. The prerequisite for such a process would be that first techie start realizing that it is only territorial predation and stand up and say they want none of it and proceed to demonstrate with real hardware configurations that the "artificial" walls are not necessary.
you're right, there is no conspiracy ... all that is happening is corporations individually protecting their territory ... profiting in the short term at the sacrifice of long term benefit. When the Internet started some companies wanted proprietary domains too ... perhaps you remember some of those enterprises. Unfortunately the telecom and broadcast industries have always been riddled with these proprietary domains ... but it is not a good way to run the railroad. People just accept it as the way things are ... me i know it can be different ... so i run my mouth about it, perhaps in vane, perhaps not.
One way this kind of thing can progress is that industry dialogue convenes around more open protocols and then converges on standards ... those companies who continue their territorial predation are simply gone around and people loose interest in their channels ... no governmental regulatory or legislative actions are necessary. The prerequisite for such a process would be that first techie start realizing that it is only territorial predation and stand up and say they want none of it and proceed to demonstrate with real hardware configurations that the "artificial" walls are not necessary.
you're right, there is no conspiracy ... all that is happening is corporations individually protecting their territory ... profiting in the short term at the sacrifice of long term benefit. When the Internet started some companies wanted proprietary domains too ... perhaps you remember some of those enterprises. Unfortunately the telecom and broadcast industries have always been riddled with these proprietary domains ... but it is not a good way to run the railroad. People just accept it as the way things are ... me i know it can be different ... so i run my mouth about it, perhaps in vane, perhaps not. Well, evolution works in mysterious ways. Even broadcast TV & the basic networks are becoming a thing of the past. AT&T, who used to charge large amounts on phone bills has been supplanted by Vonage & broadband services. The newspapers which used to pick the president such as the NYTimes are going bankrupt & ordinary people like Matt Drudge have more influence than they. The Drudge Report almost got a president impeached (In the end he was, just not convicted). Microsoft benefited from open standards up to a point with Windows & still has a big % of the market, while Apple remained proprietary & found other electronics more profitable. Those electronics may obsolete the desktop PC. The obamafish of anti-capitalism seems ever congruent with your thoughts. Strange, though I thought you were a capitalist. Who knew? I trust the market which often makes corrections that surprise, but work out for the best (when government stays out).
Seth says
M 2012-01-11 13:06:48 15748
The artificiality is in YOUR MIND! This is a system under evolution. There is no conspiracy. Economics which are unconstrained will eventually end up with the best products unless government intervenes & then, all good intentions aside, like Amtrak will end producing shit.
Well there is no intention here to suggest any kind of "government intervention" ... you might have though you were in your government fight club ... instead we are just discussing culture here.
One way this kind of thing can progress is that industry dialogue convenes around more open protocols and then converges on standards ... those companies who continue their territorial predation are simply gone around and people loose interest in their channels ... no governmental regulatory or legislative actions are necessary. The prerequisite for such a process would be that first techie start realizing that it is only territorial predation and stand up and say they want none of it and proceed to demonstrate with real hardware configurations that the "artificial" walls are not necessary.
you're right, there is no conspiracy ... all that is happening is corporations individually protecting their territory ... profiting in the short term at the sacrifice of long term benefit. When the Internet started some companies wanted proprietary domains too ... perhaps you remember some of those enterprises. Unfortunately the telecom and broadcast industries have always been riddled with these proprietary domains ... but it is not a good way to run the railroad. People just accept it as the way things are ... me i know it can be different ... so i run my mouth about it, perhaps in vane, perhaps not.
One way this kind of thing can progress is that industry dialogue convenes around more open protocols and then converges on standards ... those companies who continue their territorial predation are simply gone around and people loose interest in their channels ... no governmental regulatory or legislative actions are necessary. The prerequisite for such a process would be that first techie start realizing that it is only territorial predation and stand up and say they want none of it and proceed to demonstrate with real hardware configurations that the "artificial" walls are not necessary.
you're right, there is no conspiracy ... all that is happening is corporations individually protecting their territory ... profiting in the short term at the sacrifice of long term benefit. When the Internet started some companies wanted proprietary domains too ... perhaps you remember some of those enterprises. Unfortunately the telecom and broadcast industries have always been riddled with these proprietary domains ... but it is not a good way to run the railroad. People just accept it as the way things are ... me i know it can be different ... so i run my mouth about it, perhaps in vane, perhaps not.
Mark de LA says
& then (back OT) is this:
Addicted! Scientists show how internet dependency alters the human brain
Addicted! Scientists show how internet dependency alters the human brain
Internet addiction has for the first time been linked with changes in the brain similar to those seen in people addicted to alcohol, cocaine and cannabis. In a groundbreaking study, researchers used MRI scanners to reveal abnormalities in the brains of adolescents who spent many hours on the internet, to the detriment of their social and personal lives. The finding could throw light on other behavioural problems and lead to the development of new approaches to treatment, researchers said.
...
Seth says
responding to M of 2012-01-12 00:30:28
Yep the Voice over IP is certainly threatening the old hard wired phone system ... we almost moved our business to it were it not for Denise's reluctance to rely on the technology. I rather expect that Microsoft share to shrink being attacked on the one end by Google and the other by Apple. I doubt that Drudge is doing better than the NYTimes online. Yes, we do evolve through competition ... i do think we are in agreement on that.
Some of your message was totally off topic, i will respond to it elsewhere.
Yep the Voice over IP is certainly threatening the old hard wired phone system ... we almost moved our business to it were it not for Denise's reluctance to rely on the technology. I rather expect that Microsoft share to shrink being attacked on the one end by Google and the other by Apple. I doubt that Drudge is doing better than the NYTimes online. Yes, we do evolve through competition ... i do think we are in agreement on that.
Some of your message was totally off topic, i will respond to it elsewhere.
Seth says
Yes, definitely this is on topic. It would be interesting to find out what other kind of habits also cause the very same kind of changes in the brain. I don't dispute that people, even myself, can and do get addicted to the kind of interactions that happen on the Internet. It is pretty much a fact.
The question, for me, would still be the quality of the interaction. Ask yourself a question, are you addicted to this kind of interaction here at fastblogit or on Facebook ... when and how is that a bad thing? How can you improve your habits in that regard? Are they flexible and plastic or are they in a brittle rut that cannot be changed?
M 2012-01-12 00:35:17 15748
& then (back OT) is this:
Addicted! Scientists show how internet dependency alters the human brain
Addicted! Scientists show how internet dependency alters the human brain
Internet addiction has for the first time been linked with changes in the brain similar to those seen in people addicted to alcohol, cocaine and cannabis. In a groundbreaking study, researchers used MRI scanners to reveal abnormalities in the brains of adolescents who spent many hours on the internet, to the detriment of their social and personal lives. The finding could throw light on other behavioural problems and lead to the development of new approaches to treatment, researchers said.
...
Yes, definitely this is on topic. It would be interesting to find out what other kind of habits also cause the very same kind of changes in the brain. I don't dispute that people, even myself, can and do get addicted to the kind of interactions that happen on the Internet. It is pretty much a fact. The question, for me, would still be the quality of the interaction. Ask yourself a question, are you addicted to this kind of interaction here at fastblogit or on Facebook ... when and how is that a bad thing? How can you improve your habits in that regard? Are they flexible and plastic or are they in a brittle rut that cannot be changed?
Seth says
M 2012-01-12 09:50:55 15748
seth 2012-01-12 09:45:04 15748
responding to M of 2012-01-12 00:30:28
Yep the Voice over IP is certainly threatening the old hard wired phone system ... we almost moved our business to it were it not for Denise's reluctance to rely on the technology. I rather expect that Microsoft share to shrink being attacked on the one end by Google and the other by Apple. I doubt that Drudge is doing better than the NYTimes online. Yes, we do evolve through competition ... i do think we are in agreement on that.
Some of your message was totally off topic, i will respond to it elsewhere.
Yep the Voice over IP is certainly threatening the old hard wired phone system ... we almost moved our business to it were it not for Denise's reluctance to rely on the technology. I rather expect that Microsoft share to shrink being attacked on the one end by Google and the other by Apple. I doubt that Drudge is doing better than the NYTimes online. Yes, we do evolve through competition ... i do think we are in agreement on that.
Some of your message was totally off topic, i will respond to it elsewhere.
VISITS TO DRUDGE 1/12/12
031,705,907 IN PAST 24 HOURS
820,165,877 IN PAST 31 DAYS
10,121,469,513 IN PAST YEAR <<= over 10 billion
031,705,907 IN PAST 24 HOURS
820,165,877 IN PAST 31 DAYS
10,121,469,513 IN PAST YEAR <<= over 10 billion
and the same kind of figures for the NYT ? ... also note that counting simple http gets to a domain tells you next to nothing at all. no webmaster would use such figures in their absolute stance the way you have here to judge the effectiveness of website.
Seth says
M 2012-01-12 10:36:27 15748
Have hits on fastblogit gotten any more interesting since referencing occasionally in facebook?
I haven't looked.
Mark de LA says
Bad premise on your part! Knowing such does not devalue material experience & it does add more to appreciate the eternal Tao. Otherwise when you see an abundance of things you don't like in the world you think are unfair your mind goes radically bezerk! Your mileage may vary or not. Like my experience of riding a bicycle for the first tim - I thought about it a lot & even imagined I would be doing it & when the opportunity finally came about it I got on a bike & rode right away - no stumbling about. The mystical curtain is your bug-a-boo - for me it is neither a crutch nor an insanity; egoes puffing up neither way.
seth 2012-01-13 10:26:22 15748
M 2012-01-12 10:34:28 15748
Yep, I would go for quality of interaction. Like the old man said once these are all the domain of Ahriman: writing, printing, books, TV, .... a dynamic balance is required by acquiring spiritual progress as well.
There is no quarrel here only points of view & perspectives.
Well there is no doubt that You and I have charted different courses in our lives having made almost opposite assumptions about "spiritual progress" vs "progress and value in the terrestrial world". For me, thinking that writing, printing, TV, Internet, etc is in the domain of a being called Ahriman would be to sweep most of my activity and awareness behind some mystical curtain. For me those are an integral part of my life and we as people are doing it and extending our humanity thereby.
Incidentally i totally respect your different assumptions and in no way am saying that mine are better.
Incidentally i totally respect your different assumptions and in no way am saying that mine are better. Bad premise on your part! Knowing such does not devalue material experience & it does add more to appreciate the eternal Tao. Otherwise when you see an abundance of things you don't like in the world you think are unfair your mind goes radically bezerk! Your mileage may vary or not. Like my experience of riding a bicycle for the first tim - I thought about it a lot & even imagined I would be doing it & when the opportunity finally came about it I got on a bike & rode right away - no stumbling about. The mystical curtain is your bug-a-boo - for me it is neither a crutch nor an insanity; egoes puffing up neither way.
Seth says
M 2012-01-12 10:34:28 15748
Yep, I would go for quality of interaction. Like the old man said once these are all the domain of Ahriman: writing, printing, books, TV, .... a dynamic balance is required by acquiring spiritual progress as well.
There is no quarrel here only points of view & perspectives.
Well there is no doubt that You and I have charted different courses in our lives having made almost opposite assumptions about "spiritual progress" vs "progress and value in the terrestrial world". For me, thinking that writing, printing, TV, Internet, etc is in the domain of a being called Ahriman would be to sweep most of my activity and awareness behind some mystical curtain. For me those are an integral part of my life and we as people are doing it and extending our humanity thereby.
Incidentally i totally respect your different assumptions and in no way am saying that mine are better.
Incidentally i totally respect your different assumptions and in no way am saying that mine are better.
Seth says
I would call those "attitudes" more than "fundamental values". I am continually amazed by things like the way my body heals or how big the universe is when i look up at a starry sky or how much there is in my life or the culture in which i live or even what goes on in my consciousness when i close my eyes ... those are not things that i could create myself. I suppose that attitude is not unrelated to the saying "God is Great!".
It is quite a different attitude than "God Loves Me" ... hard for me to keep both of those attitudes in my being at the same time.
As to what i would call a "fundamental value", i would think of honesty.
It is quite a different attitude than "God Loves Me" ... hard for me to keep both of those attitudes in my being at the same time.
As to what i would call a "fundamental value", i would think of honesty.
Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-15 11:02:19 15748
source: choy says
Bad premise on your part! Knowing such does not devalue material experience & it does add more to appreciate the eternal Tao.
Bad premise on your part! Knowing such does not devalue material experience & it does add more to appreciate the eternal Tao.
Recently i was at an event and i guess i looked like i wasn't having a very good time ... so this girl whispered in my ear, "Don't look so sad, the after party is where it is at, we're going to have a blast!" ... does looking forward to an after life make the experience of life more bearable and less important? ... can we be honest? ... you bet your tootey it does .... that is what the meme was created to do ... and that is in fact what it does for millions of people ... at least they repeat the meme over and over as if it had that effect ... our media and literature is full of those expressions ... they are way too numerous of me to have to cite them here to prove it.
Now i know that you personally are totally into the Now, so apparently you have transcended that meme .... congrats ! 
In order for me to be continually amazed at the glorious universe I don't seem to need to believe that the glorious castles which i experience in my mind have an independant existance apart from it ... so I fail to see how that assumption would add to my appreciation. But that is just me, as i am sure you will tell me again.
Now i know that you personally are totally into the Now, so apparently you have transcended that meme .... congrats ! In order for me to be continually amazed at the glorious universe I don't seem to need to believe that the glorious castles which i experience in my mind have an independant existance apart from it ... so I fail to see how that assumption would add to my appreciation. But that is just me, as i am sure you will tell me again.
Again a bad premise! For me, it is not about afterlife (or afterbirth) but being able to distinguish between what is transcendental vs what is the eternal TAO. The NOWbies prefer a cult of NOW but I until recently didn't know you could bake a religion out of it. One goodie I got this AM while evacuating my bowels was that no single word or sentence can reveal the truth of a matter - it had to do with contemplation which doesn't in my case use words much. Logic can reveal consistency & unconceal what is offered in a set of language, but only when such is not of the garbage-in/garbage-out variety.
Seth says
source: M above
For me, it is not about afterlife (or afterbirth) but being able to distinguish between what is transcendental vs what is the eternal TAO.
For me, it is not about afterlife (or afterbirth) but being able to distinguish between what is transcendental vs what is the eternal TAO.
What is "transcendental" to you, and what is "the eternal TAO" to you, and what is the big difference between them? In a way those terms could mean just about anything and I hesitate to guess what they mean to you.
Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-16 09:59:29 15748
source: M above
For me, it is not about afterlife (or afterbirth) but being able to distinguish between what is transcendental vs what is the eternal TAO.
For me, it is not about afterlife (or afterbirth) but being able to distinguish between what is transcendental vs what is the eternal TAO.
What is "transcendental" to you, and what is "the eternal TAO" to you, and what is the big difference between them? In a way those terms could mean just about anything and I hesitate to guess what they mean to you.
OOps - used the wrong word - they are relatively congruent. The word should have been temporal instead of transcendental.
Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-18 17:18:00 15748
M 2012-01-18 13:50:35 15748
seth 2012-01-18 11:24:52 15748
M 2012-01-16 11:33:20 15748
Awe, Wonder, Amazement & Love - what a wonderful combination! We could do that with a Bandler Mind-Brain synthesizer real easy. OTOH, you would have to be able to find a moment where you felt totally loved to access "God Loves me". Etc. too hard to put in a small box for you.
i think that being loved by the humans around you is not the same thing as being loved by God. I have this thing, where when i feel something that is working great, ... like for example my body healing of it's own accord ... i flash that is God loving me. There are other things that go on inside my consciousness, but they are difficult to describe in language. Thing is, none of those moments of feeling or awareness map to any of the Christian messages that just come out to me as something very trivial and actually untrue.
Kinda depends upon where you get your Christianity (if any) from!
Perhaps, but it would actually be informative to me to hear a complete context of the "God/Jesus loves you" meme that did not just pander to my ego and that i could feel as true. Can you provide one? Awe, Wonder, and Amazement of the firmament do it for me ... no belief in mystical beings necessary ... nor is any glorification or imortilization of my ego necessary ... and i can revisit the emotion pretty much at will.
The "God/Jesus loves you" "meme" is all your own - not one I am proselytizing ... you seem to have a heavy axe to grind but it's not one I am interested in playing with. To your answer the above I just say "good for you"
Seth says
Yep, Mark, we kind of got off track from what i was groping for in this
item. Long time ago in the warehouse i started writing a novel, which
back there i called "Mixed Media", and i guess i'm still groping for
some of that here. Thing is things have changed so much in media since
then ... computers, internet, smart phones, etc, etc. Our culture is
changing based upon those new parts. Mixing media is different now.
Some people perhaps have not noticed ... others have. The Spiritual is
one of the human's screens ... you are prolly not going to like that
kind of a meme ... i think you started fighting it when you introduced
the idea that the material screens are Ahrimanic. But then this is not
about you and me in particular and certainly not about me being wrong
and you being wise and right ... which of course you are ... which of
course you are not ... LOL. In any case i started a fresh item and am
going to continue writing there.
Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-12 09:58:24 15748
M 2012-01-12 09:50:55 15748
seth 2012-01-12 09:45:04 15748
responding to M of 2012-01-12 00:30:28
Yep the Voice over IP is certainly threatening the old hard wired phone system ... we almost moved our business to it were it not for Denise's reluctance to rely on the technology. I rather expect that Microsoft share to shrink being attacked on the one end by Google and the other by Apple. I doubt that Drudge is doing better than the NYTimes online. Yes, we do evolve through competition ... i do think we are in agreement on that.
Some of your message was totally off topic, i will respond to it elsewhere.
Yep the Voice over IP is certainly threatening the old hard wired phone system ... we almost moved our business to it were it not for Denise's reluctance to rely on the technology. I rather expect that Microsoft share to shrink being attacked on the one end by Google and the other by Apple. I doubt that Drudge is doing better than the NYTimes online. Yes, we do evolve through competition ... i do think we are in agreement on that.
Some of your message was totally off topic, i will respond to it elsewhere.
VISITS TO DRUDGE 1/12/12
031,705,907 IN PAST 24 HOURS
820,165,877 IN PAST 31 DAYS
10,121,469,513 IN PAST YEAR <<= over 10 billion
031,705,907 IN PAST 24 HOURS
820,165,877 IN PAST 31 DAYS
10,121,469,513 IN PAST YEAR <<= over 10 billion
and the same kind of figures for the NYT ? ... also note that counting simple http gets to a domain tells you next to nothing at all. no webmaster would use such figures in their absolute stance the way you have here to judge the effectiveness of website.
Drudge did publicise the fact of Newt's Wife's interview a week ago in the style of Monica Lewinsky somewhat frustrating the attempt of ABC & others to take out GOP candidates. Some say this week was supposed to take out Mitt Romney, but...
.
Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-19 11:19:05 15748
M 2012-01-19 10:55:24 15748
seth 2012-01-19 10:49:10 15748
M 2012-01-19 10:12:01 15748
The idea of a meme also falls into the category or materializing psychology which is a materialization of soul & never gets close to spirit.
I don't grock how what you call it has all that very much to do with what it is. Just substitute whatever long description that works for you and describes the process of ideas spreading in a community of beings by them communicating with each other. Are you saying that communication is "a materialization of soul & never gets close to spirit" ? If not, then what are you saying?
You are asking a question the answer to which you should already know if you grok meme.
Meme is an analogy to gene which is the vehicle for Darwinian evolution all of which is purely materialistic. See Virus of the Mind & Dawkins et. al. Meme is a purely mechanical explanation for why & how ideas move around in communications. The being behind extreme mechanistics is Ahriman. I am not saying that that is good or bad, mind you. I prefer the balance of tao when being is involved.
Ok, i think i understand where you are going with this. Thing is, for me, the term "purely materialistic" is loaded down with the materialism that is described in this video. The other term you used was "extreme mechanistics" which does not (at least for me) have any such implication. Because of those two vastly different concepts i am left not knowing which implications you intend to carry into your description of Ahriman's influence. Which, or both, of them do you intend?
I gather that your Tao balances that which is Mechanical (perhaps materialistic) against that which is Spiritual. Is that it?
I gather that your Tao balances that which is Mechanical (perhaps materialistic) against that which is Spiritual. Is that it?
Well, Seth I hold the context that GW & RS have made distinct & that is that the beings of Lucifer & Ahriman are the polarity of the extreme ego vs the extreme material with Christ producing the dynamic balance for development of human beings with exterme Love. So you see every bit helps. An interesting quote from GW in the Yi King Commentaries is:
P.2298: ...
You see there is no RWG vis-a-vis Ahriman nor Lucifer it is all part of the eternal TAO.Just as forces which bring death to man do not have this for their sole aim, bit their real function is to give capacity to develop the Consciousness Soul, so the Forces of Evil are not designed to promote evil but rather to help Man to develop the power to overcome evil, viz - develop the Consciousness Soul! "
Seth says
M 2012-01-19 10:55:24 15748
seth 2012-01-19 10:49:10 15748
M 2012-01-19 10:12:01 15748
The idea of a meme also falls into the category or materializing psychology which is a materialization of soul & never gets close to spirit.
I don't grock how what you call it has all that very much to do with what it is. Just substitute whatever long description that works for you and describes the process of ideas spreading in a community of beings by them communicating with each other. Are you saying that communication is "a materialization of soul & never gets close to spirit" ? If not, then what are you saying?
You are asking a question the answer to which you should already know if you grok meme.
Meme is an analogy to gene which is the vehicle for Darwinian evolution all of which is purely materialistic. See Virus of the Mind & Dawkins et. al. Meme is a purely mechanical explanation for why & how ideas move around in communications. The being behind extreme mechanistics is Ahriman. I am not saying that that is good or bad, mind you. I prefer the balance of tao when being is involved.
Ok, i think i understand where you are going with this. Thing is, for me, the term "purely materialistic" is loaded down with the materialism that is described in this video. The other term you used was "extreme mechanistics" which does not (at least for me) have any such implication. Because of those two vastly different concepts i am left not knowing which implications you intend to carry into your description of Ahriman's influence. Which, or both, of them do you intend?
I gather that your Tao balances that which is Mechanical (perhaps materialistic) against that which is Spiritual. Is that it?
I gather that your Tao balances that which is Mechanical (perhaps materialistic) against that which is Spiritual. Is that it?
Mark de LA says
Seth says
Seth says
Seth says
Seth says
these meme slides collected by a futurists are somewhat on my topic of mixed media. The internet is an explosion. Sometimes we forget that. Actually when you think about it, humanity is the same kind of explosion. A new thing i saw in the slides was the meme in Slide 146 of 263 ...
Then i ran into my own meme in this tag room ... "you can think about the world in stereo outside of your box with the help of others."
hmmm ... are those memes related?
source: slide 146
... to which i flashed ... Lots of things stop working when we try to control them.
Then i ran into my own meme in this tag room ... "you can think about the world in stereo outside of your box with the help of others."
hmmm ... are those memes related?
Seth says
er, can't find any wet ones yet. but mind, if it is anything, is connections. the more i put my thoughts here honestly and connect them with tags, the more i can rediscover trains of thought and how they are connected and bring them back into the context of a now. the mixed media train is something i have been working on since the p2 warehouse days and before. i don't expect others to see the gestalt, i barely can't even see it myself. thing is you know something is connected even though you can't see it all at once. sometimes fastblogit helps connecting these things. i guess if my memory was stronger, i wouldn't need it.
er, can't find any wet ones
yet. but mind, if it is anything, is connections. the more i put my thoughts here honestly and connect them with tags, the more i can rediscover trains of thought and how they are connected and bring them back into the context of a now. the mixed media train is something i have been working on since the p2 warehouse days and before. i don't expect others to see the gestalt, i barely can't even see it myself. thing is you know something is connected even though you can't see it all at once. sometimes fastblogit helps connecting these things. i guess if my memory was stronger, i wouldn't need it.
Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-03-25 11:43:20 15748
The Medium IS The Message - Marshall McLuhan - I actually read shortly after it came out.
Funny thingy - focus on ALL of the Medium is fairly important - not just the part one attaches their ego consciousness to.
Funny thingy - focus on ALL of the Medium is fairly important - not just the part one attaches their ego consciousness to.
A more ontological interpretation is the Context is the message versus the distinction carried.
Seth says
i might just be that this whole "notion" of narrative has quite a bit to do with mixed media ... for want of a better focus, i will drop it here ...
seth
2014-07-09 15:21:42 17420
Wow a very narrow
description indeed. It is hard for me to conceive that such a
narrow context would yield your observed behavior. Could it be
that you are not aware of the narritive in which you are
acting. Or maybe lying about your larger context is part of
your story.
Anyway, how do you like the results of this story of yours as currently written and enacted?
Incidentally there is a good reason that political pundits and PR operatives frequently talk about "changing the narrative". This is not a trivial thing. I would not know how to comprehend what is happening in the world, should i do as you suggest and "abandon the notion of narrative & just leave that to the M$M".
Astute observers notice the symptoms of a syndrome and get the right to call it by name.
source: Einai 2014-07-09 14:19:41 17528
I am either focusing on my typing or what I am going to type.
I am either focusing on my typing or what I am going to type.
Wow a very narrow
description indeed. It is hard for me to conceive that such a
narrow context would yield your observed behavior. Could it be
that you are not aware of the narritive in which you are
acting. Or maybe lying about your larger context is part of
your story. Anyway, how do you like the results of this story of yours as currently written and enacted?
Incidentally there is a good reason that political pundits and PR operatives frequently talk about "changing the narrative". This is not a trivial thing. I would not know how to comprehend what is happening in the world, should i do as you suggest and "abandon the notion of narrative & just leave that to the M$M".
Astute observers notice the symptoms of a syndrome and get the right to call it by name.
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