SOTU 2012 - Campaign Stop

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The traditional State of the Union speech for 2012 was held last night. Some say it was the usual laundry list of policy & "new" things & things to spend money on.  My opinion was it was the major thrust of Obama's campaign strategy for the forthcoming 286 days till Nov 6 presidential election. FYI, I have trapped the text into a concordance (see about link) for easier search knowing all the words used throughout.  The most disturbing stuff I found was:
(search for selflessness in the concordance): ... These achievements are a testament to the courage, selflessness, and teamwork of America's Armed Forces. At a time when too many of our institutions have let us down, they exceed all expectations. They're not consumed with personal ambition. They don't obsess over their differences. They focus on the mission at hand. They work together. Imagine what we could accomplish if we followed their example.
...  For me I rather think of a synergy of individuals than teams set forth through government bureaucracy. Most dictatorships like The Third Reich & the Soviet Union & Communist China transformed their countries with the precept that the individual didn't count & service to the state was all there is.  Our founders wrote The US Constitution to limit what government could do NOT otherwise!  I don't think of myself as "in service" to the federal government.  I already served my country in the Armed Forces. 

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  2. obama 2012
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  4. selflessness
  5. item 15782

Comments


Seth says
Interesting that you did quite a detailed study.  I was bored and kind of dozed off.

I did hear that passage, but was not disturbed by it.  Obama frequently stresses "service".  I though it was kind of cute how he made an underhanded slap to the "do nothing congress" with his "when too many of our institutions have let us down"

I hear that you interpret that passage as "individual didn't count & service to the state was all there is" ... notwithstanding that in his passage there is no implication whatsoever of "individual didn't count" nor that "the state was all there is". I interpret it only as a tribute to the "courage of selflessness"  ... a testament to the military code  that , when in line of duty, you should put the mission above yourself.  It doesn't disturb me, and I do think it would be a good idea if more members of Congress put their mission above their desire to stay in office.

Did your extrapolation really disturb you while you listened  ... or did you go searching for something to get disturbed by in his speech?

Where did you first hear that extrapolation ... or did you extrapolate it yourself?

Do you really think that Obama meant people to consciously (or subconsciously) make that extrapolation?

Do you really think that Obama thinks that "individuals don't count" ?

Incidentally i have never though of myself as in service to the government or even the nation ... never.  The closest i have ever come to that was to think of myself as in service of humanity.  Me thinks he was talking to the Congress there.

 I really am curious, especially in the light of 15782 ... when did you first get disturbed by that passage?

Seth says
MR 2012-01-25 14:32:47 15786
seth 2012-01-25 14:28:40 15786
Of course, in the Internet era,  it's not hard to find the source of these kind of opinions ....
source: Rush Limbaugh: scoffing at Obama’s references to teamwork, saying the Founding Fathers’ intention was a nation based on the freedoms of the individual.

“Teamwork?” he said. “Do you know, ladies and gentlemen, how wrong that is? The whole point of this government, the whole point of this country, the whole point of this [nation’s] founding was to champion the power, and the rights, and the civil rights, and the freedoms, and the liberty of the individual over the government.

WOW! I agree with that too!
Well, according to my interpertation, Limbaugh express the same sentiment that you did above. 

My question is Did you hear (or read) Limbaugh's opinion before you penned 15786 ?

Honestly answering that question might shed some light on your questions asked in 15782.

Mark de LA says
Basically, I watched an old House episode, I missed last week, during the speech. I recorded it just in case something interesting happened like maybe Biden would fall asleep and fall on his face.  Some commentary I heard afterwards mentioned his praise of the military which sounded strange to me but in retrospect I guess he needed to prop up his getting bin Laden. I wanted to find out what he said there. I remember he desired a civilian service corps equal in strength to the military & wondered if he mentioned more. I recently saw how Saddam Hussein copied & colaborated with Hitler's henchmen mentioned in the History/2 channel series The Third Reich & Saddam Hussein (previously mentioned).
The musings proved not that interesting except he expresses his usual trying to shame or intimidate (you can probably find another word here) everyone else into signing on to his agenda. It is incongruent to hold the military as model given his previous criticism of it.

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-25 14:28:40 15786
Of course, in the Internet era,  it's not hard to find the source of these kind of opinions ....
source: Rush Limbaugh: scoffing at Obama’s references to teamwork, saying the Founding Fathers’ intention was a nation based on the freedoms of the individual.

“Teamwork?” he said. “Do you know, ladies and gentlemen, how wrong that is? The whole point of this government, the whole point of this country, the whole point of this [nation’s] founding was to champion the power, and the rights, and the civil rights, and the freedoms, and the liberty of the individual over the government.

WOW! I agree with that too!

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-25 15:20:30 15786
MR 2012-01-25 14:59:49 15786
I started to do the concordance long before I penned this item just to do a good search. I speed read through it but it was pretty boring to me thats why I made the concordance. I had to reinstall the software. This is a point where Rush & I agree. You may make any kind of opinion you like for yourself out of that!
Fine! 

But you still didn't answer my real question.  Did you get disturbed by that passage before or after you heard or read Rush's opinion ?  

That is the only thing that actually interests me here as it does bear on the legitimate questions that you have raised in your item about opinions.  I guess you already know that i couldn't care less about your actual opinions of Obama.
We can start a chain of opinions here e.g. what opinion motivates your rather persistant desire to have an answer to the question? There is an opinion that motivates such a question. I generally stop arguing or responding when I get a clue that the funnel of questions leads to a fruitless argument.


Seth says
MR 2012-01-25 14:59:49 15786
I started to do the concordance long before I penned this item just to do a good search. I speed read through it but it was pretty boring to me thats why I made the concordance. I had to reinstall the software. This is a point where Rush & I agree. You may make any kind of opinion you like for yourself out of that!
Fine! 

But you still didn't answer my real question.  Did you get disturbed by that passage before or after you heard or read Rush's opinion ?  

That is the only thing that actually interests me here as it does bear on the legitimate questions that you have raised in your item about opinions.  I guess you already know that i couldn't care less about your actual opinions of Obama.

Mark de LA says
I am sensitive to gotcha questions - I see them all the time in the M$M. What my point was & what I said is lost in trivial persuit.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-01-25 16:53:12 15786
NBD ... you wanted to know where your opinions came from ... apparently they come from Rush Limbaugh.
I know where my opinions come from YOU still don't! There never was an intent to turn this into a RWG, but you managed to do it anyway.


Mark de LA says

BTW, I would rather agree with Rush than Robin Hood & his band of merry Chicago thugs!

Mark de LA says


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