An Idea is not responsible for the people who believe it!

Heard recently on the radio.  Suggests that bad people can believe good things and that the ideas themselves should be taken on their own merit, ad hominem attacks notwithstanding.

Tags

  1. memes
  2. ideas
  3. god
  4. athesim
  5. viruses

Comments


Mark de LA says
This dovetails in with some other ideas like adversarial lawyer argumentation. If you can't argue the merits argue the law. If you cant argue the law argue the charges and specifications. Otherwise argue the credibility of the people involved. See also the items on ethos, pathos & logos in another item.

Mark de LA says
seth 2006-02-16 05:05:03 1596
There is no way to hold the idea, the meme, itself responsible.  But perhaps we could hold the author and/or the propogator responsible.  If you infect someone with AIDS, then you may go to jail ... see Law and Order .   
AIDS is not an idea or a meme. Political correctness has almost made some ideas illegal & the notion of "hate crimes" has made what you think while committing a crime twice as heinous.

Seth says
M 2006-02-16 05:58:42 1596
seth 2006-02-16 05:05:03 1596
There is no way to hold the idea, the meme, itself responsible.  But perhaps we could hold the author and/or the propogator responsible.  If you infect someone with AIDS, then you may go to jail ... see Law and Order .   
AIDS is not an idea or a meme. Political correctness has almost made some ideas illegal & the notion of "hate crimes" has made what you think while committing a crime twice as heinous.
Aids is an infection.  Being possessed (obsessed) by an idea is an infection of the mind.  The analogy works. In my statement above, i'm dealing with the concept of who can be held responsible for what as a practical matter.  The HIV virus is not a who that can be held responsible.  That "Jews are grubby" is not a who that can be held responsible.

Seth says
M 2006-02-16 07:13:03 1596
 What meme went through your being when you decided to stop believing in God ?
that no conception that i could construct in my mind could ever come close to representing the creator of the universe.  think about an ant trying to concieve of any advanced human concept. the best representation of  God is just to think of everyting at once ... and even that is but a shadow of it.  this is almost like the Islam prohibition on making images of God ... but i am carrying it further ... don't even make up a word.  any belief that you hang on a word representing that which cannot be represented yet created the universe is bound to be in error.... even this one.

Mark de LA says
M 2006-02-16 06:29:48 1596
Hense my original declaration that an "Idea is not responsible for the people who believe it!" An idea is not a responsible entity on this plane. A person having the idea is.  So far we only have an echo of the mind police going on - maybe later, who knows ? Maybe at some distant future "they" will look at your MRI & determine that you are a sex offender & punish you for that.
? You tell me.  What meme went through your being when you decided to stop believing in God ?

Seth says
... and for those of you interested in viruses, here is a picture of one ...



Mark de LA says
Reminds me of a hand knitted potholder I once had 


Mark de LA says
seth 2006-02-16 07:31:27 1596
M 2006-02-16 07:13:03 1596
 What meme went through your being when you decided to stop believing in God ?
that no conception that i could construct in my mind could ever come close to representing the creator of the universe.  think about an ant trying to concieve of any advanced human concept. the best representation of  God is just to think of everyting at once ... and even that is but a shadow of it.  this is almost like the Islam prohibition on making images of God ... but i am carrying it further ... don't even make up a word.  any belief that you hang on a word representing that which cannot be represented yet created the universe is bound to be in error.... even this one.

"All sanity, which is all Science, is founded upon Limit. We must be able to cut off, to define, to measure. Naturally, then, their opposites, Insanity and Religion, have for their prime characteristic, the Indefinable, Incomprehensible, Immeasurable."

- Aleister Crowley  (as quoted by Keith)

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