Perhaps a New Idea

Facebook & Twitter are social media, conversations begin & end for brief moments of the news front & personal attention spans.  It's all good.  What I am proposing is additional & requires solving identity on the Internet & at the same time building a national database free from spin & twitter attacks. It would really be interesting to use statistics like the ones 15938 and ascertain with some truth & certainty what We the People of the United States really want, need & have concerns about. There are lots of politicians who will tell you "The American People Want ......" while telling you what they want in order to get elected. I would also like something to select unique out of redundant expressions to minimize the effect of facebook & twitter campaigns.  Once we solve the identity problem & security necessary to make it at least as fraud proof as elections then we can probably have Internet voting as well (where desired).
Really knowing what is going on with real people unpersuaded by polls & poll takers might begin to turn politics back into something that works for all of us nobody left out (& not just the 30% who elect a president). 
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Seth says
identity actually has a lot of information in it that i have collected here over the past several years and deals with not only specific technological examples and considerations, but also with the political ones.  For the latter you might want to read What are the limits of liberty?.

Seth says
Something happened today which moves this agenda along just a little bit: House passes measure to detail gov spending online ... hopefully it will pass all the way thought Congress and be signed by the president.   It might be a good idea to track this legislation.

Imho, the solution to the identity problem on the web is being blocked on the one hand by territorial fights between the big web players like Google, MS, and Apple ... and on the other hand by libertarian privacy concerns.  There is no technological reason that prevents an effective solution from emerging ... all that is necessary is for politicians and technologist to cooperate and do it.  For more see 15773 and identity

Mark de LA says
One more thing on the H.R. 2146 DATA - If the budget doesn't drill down & doesn't add up; as I found out by examining Bill Clinton's 2nd term budget; how do you expect one the size of current multi-trillions, multi-years spending to do so either? The Budgets, when we have one, are published by the GPO to the public already.  You also need the new idea of canceling a check (or reversing deposits) if the authority is unknown, the appropriation illegal & nobody knows where the money is being spent! It has to start somewhere, eh?

Seth says
MR 2012-04-26 08:46:37 15964
MR 2012-04-26 08:44:38 15964
Considering what the GSA does with money the new bill H.R. 2146: DATA Act may not be enough.  The GSA is sort of a bureaucracy of bureaucracies. The nature of the Federal & Large state governments to do a shell game with our money won't be as effective as it sounds if there is not a good front end to resolve the complexity & persons accountable. Anyway this was not the subject of my initiative.  I am focusing on solutions.
My request on the ID side of things is to get a unique ID, perhaps anonymous but revealing & coding some demographics of the owner - perhaps this is a fantasy.  My initiative is a counter point of the perfectly valid social media's contributions to the polarity and skewing of America's government in our lives. Your interest in ID for merchant uses as well as some others is laudable, Seth & not in conflict. About all I think I need is a unique anonymous ID like a vote s/b . Anything that furthers a synergy of individuals & cooperative problem solving  is a step in the right direction provided it comes out of grass roots efforts & not central governmental planning, IMHO.
 
Actually, a unique ID specifically ruling out a race demographic would be very revealing.
Right there should be no demographic of any sort attached to a person's id. 


There is a lot of reluctance for the government to issue IDs.  It centers around people's paranoia of the government and their desire for privacy.  Personally i think it is bull shit ... but then i'm not a criminal or hiding any particular aspect of my life.   Today we have the "liberty" to make up an identity and do whatever using it.  Is there a right to be "off the grid" ?   I don't know.  But that is the kind of question that is blocking a real solution to your "identity problem".



Mark de LA says
MR 2012-04-26 08:44:38 15964
Considering what the GSA does with money the new bill H.R. 2146: DATA Act may not be enough.  The GSA is sort of a bureaucracy of bureaucracies. The nature of the Federal & Large state governments to do a shell game with our money won't be as effective as it sounds if there is not a good front end to resolve the complexity & persons accountable. Anyway this was not the subject of my initiative.  I am focusing on solutions.
My request on the ID side of things is to get a unique ID, perhaps anonymous but revealing & coding some demographics of the owner - perhaps this is a fantasy.  My initiative is a counter point of the perfectly valid social media's contributions to the polarity and skewing of America's government in our lives. Your interest in ID for merchant uses as well as some others is laudable, Seth & not in conflict. About all I think I need is a unique anonymous ID like a vote s/b . Anything that furthers a synergy of individuals & cooperative problem solving  is a step in the right direction provided it comes out of grass roots efforts & not central governmental planning, IMHO.
 
Actually, a unique ID specifically ruling out a race demographic would be very revealing.

Mark de LA says
MR 2012-04-26 10:26:51 15964
While I am searching for solutions from the grass roots I want"
  • to avoid spamming the same material
  • to avoid the same person dominating the conversation
  • to know the demographics of the person submitting the idea is
  • I want to keep it free of race
  • I think anonymousity is OK or up to the choice of the individual
  • Ideas are free of the economic domain unless we are talking of economics & thus are not the credit card kind of ID thingy
  • It must be free of fraud & ID hacking


Some people have the religious belief that the Apocalypse will come along with universal ID cards as the "mark of the beast" - I don't.



Mark de LA says
Transparent & verifiable elections TED Talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/david_bismark_e_voting_without_fraud.html
 
I can't tell how it would prevent ballot boxes disappearing. You would know that your votes got lost, however.

Mark de LA says
More here: http://evoting.bismark.se/ ... fairly well answers my question.  So why is this not done yet? Yet to be explained is what happens if one of the verifications fails. The other piece of the puzzle is all the process of getting such machines in place & programs verified. Then, too, we have the resistance by those who want to remain in the past. You can see that in resistance to Voter-IDs & the demand for paper ballots in some places.


Mark de LA says
M 2012-04-28 18:45:52 15964
More here: http://evoting.bismark.se/ ... fairly well answers my question.  So why is this not done yet? Yet to be explained is what happens if one of the verifications fails. The other piece of the puzzle is all the process of getting such machines in place & programs verified. Then, too, we have the resistance by those who want to remain in the past. You can see that in resistance to Voter-IDs & the demand for paper ballots in some places.

You can also read the Q&A to the talk & see closeups of the ballot material here.

Mark de LA says
Key shares & public sharing of a secret in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_sharing


Mark de LA says
http://www.dailypaul.com/181980/fraud-proof-e-voting-machines <- some conversations about electronic voting & direct democracy .


Mark de LA says
http://www.pretavoter.com/team.php - commercializing the idea?

Mark de LA says
.... then too, with a DNA samples & fingerprints (or foot prints on babies) these things can get lost or missplaced or fall through the cracks. Digital stuff is always subject to an EMP bomb as well.
I like the voting system described by David Bismark as the example of a system encrypted & dispersed enough so that it takes a lot of work to cheat it. Such could also be deployed to gather identity itself.

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-04-29 06:37:10 15964
seth 2012-04-26 09:35:47 15964
MR 2012-04-26 08:46:37 15964
MR 2012-04-26 08:44:38 15964
Considering what the GSA does with money the new bill H.R. 2146: DATA Act may not be enough.  The GSA is sort of a bureaucracy of bureaucracies. The nature of the Federal & Large state governments to do a shell game with our money won't be as effective as it sounds if there is not a good front end to resolve the complexity & persons accountable. Anyway this was not the subject of my initiative.  I am focusing on solutions.
My request on the ID side of things is to get a unique ID, perhaps anonymous but revealing & coding some demographics of the owner - perhaps this is a fantasy.  My initiative is a counter point of the perfectly valid social media's contributions to the polarity and skewing of America's government in our lives. Your interest in ID for merchant uses as well as some others is laudable, Seth & not in conflict. About all I think I need is a unique anonymous ID like a vote s/b . Anything that furthers a synergy of individuals & cooperative problem solving  is a step in the right direction provided it comes out of grass roots efforts & not central governmental planning, IMHO.
 
Actually, a unique ID specifically ruling out a race demographic would be very revealing.
Right there should be no demographic of any sort attached to a person's id. 


There is a lot of reluctance for the government to issue IDs.  It centers around people's paranoia of the government and their desire for privacy.  Personally i think it is bull shit ... but then i'm not a criminal or hiding any particular aspect of my life.   Today we have the "liberty" to make up an identity and do whatever using it.  Is there a right to be "off the grid" ?   I don't know.  But that is the kind of question that is blocking a real solution to your "identity problem".


Also it is said that citizens are excluded from participating in democracy and voting for want of paperwork.  Papers get lost ... inforemation on papers somtimes contains errors.  When Jason was applying for his driver's license we had to go through what could be described as "outrageous hoops" to prove that he was who I, even as his parent, said he was ... that was primarily because somebody made a typo when the hospital registered his social security card.  So as we want tight provable identity, we don't want to disenfranchise individuals because their paperwork has fallen through some crack. 
Well digitized DNA & fingerprints should do that. The rest is about what names you associate to that in the outside world like birth certificates, web presence & the like. I am still unclear as to whether fingerprints & DNA are really unique - especially with twins.
agreed!