On an Analogy

About: you are a rockstar « finding my yes

The gist of d'Artagnan Evergreen Barbosa's  analogy is in this paragraph:
You are a Rockstar ... Finding My Yes: ... If the desires of our spirit are like our voice, the sound of our voice entering a microphone like our thoughts entering our brain, the sound system like the mechanisms of the universe which create manifestation, the sound coming from the speaker manifestation itself, then the sound loop back to the microphone would be like our emotions.
... I have a hard time using the analogy rather than the real stuff, i.e. distinctions I have made for many years.
I have desires. I sometimes express them in my soul (mind) using my internal voice, sometimes in pictures, sometimes in action. Little runs through my mind before I find myself taking a piss or eating a spoon of peanut butter (the see-food effect). I am only conscious in my mind (consciousness soul) - the brain apparatus is as un-sensible as the computer innards  I am typing into at this moment. My soul (all parts - conscious, intellectual & life) is the part of me that is in direct contact with the Spiritual World. Occasionally I get feedback on my behaviour from that world in dreams, emotions, & most directly through my heart chakra (& others) - one of the organs of the soul & spirit.  Too complex? - not really.  The language & distinctions have been around a lot longer than all of us.
The more I think through the heart (chakra) the better I give & accept love - that's my most intimate feedback loop. The more I am in tune with that organ the more it develops. I presume that as I develop I manifest better & better stuff both tangible & otherwise.

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Comments


Mark de LA says
A lot of people who study human physiology will try to tell you what is going on in the brain. The challenge is that they can only tell you about the physical object. With things such as an fMRI etc they can tell what parts of the brain have more or less electrical activity or circulation. There is no bridge between that & a direct experience in your mind.  There is little similarity between that diffentiated clump of meat-like, soft tofu-like brain tissue full of electrochemical behavior & a more direct experience of an imagined or real rose.

Mark de LA says
The analogy has one flaw in that in the real world if you amp up a voice you can't avoid some amount of distortion.


Mark de LA says
This is where I stand on things - 4729 . This is the Being which inspires my now - the Facebook version is here.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-10-21 10:33:20 16252
Still and all i find both your descriptions  and d'A's analogy to have a surprising similar structure.   Both descriptions start with heart felt desires (of the spirit) ... and express them in manifestations of the voice of thought and action and emotion in the firmament.  Both do not place much value in the medium mechanism of the brain or other manifestations in the physical world -- and instead relate to those merely as "a medium".   To me the distinctions are well within the margin of error of using any analogy to explicate a situation that is not literally the same thing.   d'A analogy helps us to become more conscious of feedback in the media ... both negative and positive ... that may help or hinder the original inspiration.  To me that was the brilliance of d'A analogy.  
Thanks, for the feedback, Seth. d'A used analogy , I used context & distinction & the domain of ontology. There is a difference.


Mark de LA says
M 2012-10-21 11:36:59 16252
seth 2012-10-21 11:15:04 16252
source: Mark above
I used context & distinction & the domain of ontology. There is a difference.
so you are acknowledging that both you an d'A are saying just about the same thing?

Incidentally what is "context & distinction & the domain of ontology [being?]" ?   That doesn't crisp to anything in my mind.
I've been talking about these things with you for years. Nate & I may have been talking about the same domain. We differ in that he thinks he can (& maybe he does via LOA) take a thought & amp up his feelings to a point where it manifests something outside his mind. I just described the ontology of my world & where thoughts, feelings & will fit in.

BTW, Seth, you might want to study ontology here there is something good in just browsing the website. Of course BofNK is a great learning tool.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-10-21 14:06:22 16252
M 2012-10-20 10:04:34 16252
The analogy has one flaw in that in the real world if you amp up a voice you can't avoid some amount of distortion.

flaw? ... not a flaw, rather a feature of the analogy.

d'A's analogy suggests the problem you mention:  ... if you amp up a voice your do get distortion.  Real world examples abound ... they are so numberious we don't even need to call them out  here ... but  if you doubt i can give your about 10 off the top of my head.

Yes, but in the unquoted part I presume you read he posits:
Nate: ... But when you speak into the microphone and the system is tuned to perfection the beautiful sounds, the concert, you hear from your voice is only limited by your imagination and can rock your world.
... that one can tune one's inner HiFi (the electro-chemical storm?) to perfection; that's the flaw. Indeed amping up the emotions without regard to rationality & logic may just be distortion - who knows.  If it works for Nathan & LOA - I am willing to change my mind, but I need something better than an analogy which I am far beyond in my studies.



Mark de LA says
seth 2012-10-21 14:34:38 16252
M 2012-10-21 14:15:34 16252
seth 2012-10-21 14:06:22 16252
M 2012-10-20 10:04:34 16252
The analogy has one flaw in that in the real world if you amp up a voice you can't avoid some amount of distortion.

flaw? ... not a flaw, rather a feature of the analogy.

d'A's analogy suggests the problem you mention:  ... if you amp up a voice your do get distortion.  Real world examples abound ... they are so numberious we don't even need to call them out  here ... but  if you doubt i can give your about 10 off the top of my head.

Yes, but in the unquoted part I presume you read he posits:
Nate: ... But when you speak into the microphone and the system is tuned to perfection the beautiful sounds, the concert, you hear from your voice is only limited by your imagination and can rock your world.
... that one can tune one's inner HiFi (the electro-chemical storm?) to perfection; that's the flaw. Indeed amping up the emotions without regard to rationality & logic may just be distortion - who knows.  If it works for Nathan & LOA - I am willing to change my mind, but I need something better than an analogy which I am far beyond in my studies.


Strange i didn't get any implication that "system is tuned to perfection" has anything to do with what your "electro-chemical storm" refers to.  Nor that "amping up the emotions without regard to rationality & logi" is in Nathan's technique.  Me thinks those would be flaws in your understanding of d'A's techniques and not in the analogy itself. 
Or perhaps flaws in your understanding of d'A & his LOA/Quantum jumping techniques.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-10-21 14:20:43 16252
source: Mark above
We differ in that he thinks he can (& maybe he does via LOA) take a thought & amp up his feelings to a point where it manifests something outside his mind. I just described the ontology of my world & where thoughts, feelings & will fit in.
I hope you are distorting d'A's analogy when you imply that merely amping up a thought and a feeling alone will manifest something outside of mind.  That was, if memory serves me, my objection.  I cannot internally shout myself into external manifestation.  I doubt that is the way Nathan does it either.  You may want to ask him about that directly.

I still do not comprehend the differences between your ontology and nathan's are where it comes to these issues.  I'm not going to read this to grock them.

The bulk of our discussion was in messaging which preceeded his Wordpress post covered that area.


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