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About: truth vs trumeth



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Seth says
thanks for putting this here .   It is better not to mock a serious item on the item itself.   It is also better not to quote a comment while ignoring it's content. 


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-11-07 08:11:09 16277
M 2012-11-07 08:03:46 16277
M 2012-11-07 07:39:00 16277
seth 2012-11-07 07:18:09 16277
Do you believe that what-is-so is the same thing as what-you-make-so ?
Huh?
When you make up words (by hyphenation or contraction of syllables or otherwise) don't expect me to understand wtf you are talking about!

i don't understand why you cannot understand this language ... it is done all the time all over the place.   You read it to yourself without the hyphens.  The hyphens just link the term together.  Why does that get in the way or your understanding?
I don't know what your are saying or asking. What's so is all there is. The only thing I know that you can make what's so is jump off a bridge etc. - that still makes it what's so. So why the silly question?


Seth says
M 2012-11-07 08:45:16 16277
seth 2012-11-07 08:32:38 16277
M 2012-11-07 08:16:55 16277
seth 2012-11-07 08:11:09 16277
M 2012-11-07 08:03:46 16277
M 2012-11-07 07:39:00 16277
seth 2012-11-07 07:18:09 16277
Do you believe that what-is-so is the same thing as what-you-make-so ?
Huh?
When you make up words (by hyphenation or contraction of syllables or otherwise) don't expect me to understand wtf you are talking about!

i don't understand why you cannot understand this language ... it is done all the time all over the place.   You read it to yourself without the hyphens.  The hyphens just link the term together.  Why does that get in the way or your understanding?
I don't know what your are saying or asking. What's so is all there is. The only thing I know that you can make what's so is jump off a bridge etc. - that still makes it what's so. So why the silly question?


Well actually what-you-make-so is part of what-is-so.  By analogy I am asking you to distinguish between a dog and a Jack Russell Terrier.  The difference is your ego and what it does.   You did point to an example ... if you jump off the bridge, you are making it so that you are dead.  There are many many many such examples. 
What's so in your mind is not relevant to what's so in the World aka WHAT'S SO! What's so in your mind is "What's so in your mind" & can be a pack of lies. It is useless & dangerous to go around believing that "What's so in your mind is always the truth or any kind of truth valid in the World (without testing it against the world)... equal in kind to what's so in the World;  Insane asylum inhabitants notwithstanding.


Well what is so in your mind should be somewhat relivant to what is so in the world ... assuming that you have a healthy practical mind, imho of course.  But bear in mind that what is so in your mind is really all you have access to ... what is so in the world is just a philosophical notion that nobody can experience.  In my epistemology i try not to anchor my thoughts in it. 

I have no problems with your second sentence ... that is the way i think too.

Mark de LA says
seth 2012-11-07 08:32:38 16277
M 2012-11-07 08:16:55 16277
seth 2012-11-07 08:11:09 16277
M 2012-11-07 08:03:46 16277
M 2012-11-07 07:39:00 16277
seth 2012-11-07 07:18:09 16277
Do you believe that what-is-so is the same thing as what-you-make-so ?
Huh?
When you make up words (by hyphenation or contraction of syllables or otherwise) don't expect me to understand wtf you are talking about!

i don't understand why you cannot understand this language ... it is done all the time all over the place.   You read it to yourself without the hyphens.  The hyphens just link the term together.  Why does that get in the way or your understanding?
I don't know what your are saying or asking. What's so is all there is. The only thing I know that you can make what's so is jump off a bridge etc. - that still makes it what's so. So why the silly question?


Well actually what-you-make-so is part of what-is-so.  By analogy I am asking you to distinguish between a dog and a Jack Russell Terrier.  The difference is your ego and what it does.   You did point to an example ... if you jump off the bridge, you are making it so that you are dead.  There are many many many such examples. 
What's so in your mind is not relevant to what's so in the World aka WHAT'S SO! What's so in your mind is "What's so in your mind" & can be a pack of lies. It is useless & dangerous to go around believing that "What's so in your mind is always the truth or any kind of truth valid in the World (without testing it against the world)... equal in kind to what's so in the World;  Insane asylum inhabitants notwithstanding.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-11-08 13:28:40 16277
M 2012-11-08 00:48:57 16277
Get rid of your baggage (i.e. your personality) & you can get what's so in the world ! The rest IS fabrication. 


I have no problem with that.  I was probably provoked to fabricate it just because you seemed not to acknowledge being egotistical interferes with a pursuit of truth.

That said, don't dis fabrication ... that is where most of our truth comes from. 

If you want to be right in the matter and me wrong, then you will in-fact miss the good stuff.  It's a slippery slope we all must traverse in our own way. 
You are on this kick of ego in truth recently since I posted the thing by RS.  Most of the time you are misinterpreting what he said & going on from there piling on your own premises.  Don't forget you have one too! It doesn't helpl to now include ego as a permanent part of your RWG either.


Mark de LA says
seth 2012-11-10 05:47:43 16277
M 2012-11-08 13:55:59 16277
seth 2012-11-08 13:28:40 16277
M 2012-11-08 00:48:57 16277
Get rid of your baggage (i.e. your personality) & you can get what's so in the world ! The rest IS fabrication. 


I have no problem with that.  I was probably provoked to fabricate it just because you seemed not to acknowledge being egotistical interferes with a pursuit of truth.

That said, don't dis fabrication ... that is where most of our truth comes from. 

If you want to be right in the matter and me wrong, then you will in-fact miss the good stuff.  It's a slippery slope we all must traverse in our own way. 
You are on this kick of ego in truth recently since I posted the thing by RS.  Most of the time you are misinterpreting what he said & going on from there piling on your own premises.  Don't forget you have one too! It doesn't helpl to now include ego as a permanent part of your RWG either.


Strangely enough, when you drill right down to it, we are really both saying the same thing here. 
Which leads me to wonder why you don't just stop mismatching it and notice a bit of where we do agree. 

I really had been saying the ego stuff all along ... it is a no brainer ... the more objective you are the less of you ego is involved ... the more likely you will be able to see a truth everybody else can also share.  Like you say, that is almost trivial ... i think you used the word "banal".  It really should not be controversial ... which, again, appears to me strange that you would mismatch it.  Do you still?

I still think the only big and perhaps even sever paradox between us is that you do not accept relative truth.  For me it is the very assumption that affirms individuality.  We cannot play a RWG and get at that. 
I don't start or end a discussion of truth with fabrication.  If you want to discuss that you might  have to acknowledge the whole zen discussion of same by reading the BofNK which goes well beyond anything you are talking about & even holds that direct experience of true being can be had.  Such is not likely here. I'm not really interested at this time in your speculation without your reading such because it serves only the survivability of your self.


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